Deep sleep

[Greymire]

Samsung obviously has an issue with deep sleep tracking. Resets can get it to register but it seldom go's higher than 6 to 10 minutes. Deep sleep should be approximately 20% of your sleep time. Using my Fitbit Ionic it regularly registered in that range. The other sleep modes seem ok. Until Samsung sorts this out I am thinking of trying Sleep As Android. Has anyone tried this with their Galaxy? It does appear to be supported. I take it I wouldn't need the phone in bed. I hate to pay $6 but if it works I may. HR and sleep tracking are big for my health issues. Not so much that I need an expensive chest band or anything but does need some monitoring.

 

[anon(20964)]

I can't say I have noticed the issue. FWIW, I use Sleep for Android app. been using it for years now.

 

[arunma]

@Greymire, I tried your reset suggestion. Thanks for the advice, alas I still am unable to get more than a few minutes of deep sleep. Looks like they need to do an app update. I doubt they will. For a couple years now, the watch version of Samsung Health has had a food tracking issue where calories entered are timestamped to GMT. So if you're in CDT, calories you enter after 6 PM are counted towards the next day. I've reported this multiple times and still no response.

Samsung makes great hardware, but their programmers kind of suck.

 

[Greymire]

@Greymire, I tried your reset suggestion. Thanks for the advice, alas I still am unable to get more than a few minutes of deep sleep. Looks like they need to do an app update. I doubt they will. For a couple years now, the watch version of Samsung Health has had a food tracking issue where calories entered are timestamped to GMT. So if you're in CDT, calories you enter after 6 PM are counted towards the next day. I've reported this multiple times and still no response.

Samsung makes great hardware, but their programmers kind of suck.

I am back to the same as well. I filed a report but the Galaxy App isn't sending logs properly. We should be getting about 20% of our sleep as deep sleep. At least close. Mine seemed to work for a few days but then I realized that it quit again. I get 6 minutes max now.

 

[Greymire]

If the would fix the app to send logs maybe they could find the issue.

 

[monicakm]

Samsung obviously has an issue with deep sleep tracking. Resets can get it to register but it seldom go's higher than 6 to 10 minutes. Deep sleep should be approximately 20% of your sleep time. Using my Fitbit Ionic it regularly registered in that range. The other sleep modes seem ok. Until Samsung sorts this out I am thinking of trying Sleep As Android. Has anyone tried this with their Galaxy? It does appear to be supported. I take it I wouldn't need the phone in bed. I hate to pay $6 but if it works I may. HR and sleep tracking are big for my health issues. Not so much that I need an expensive chest band or anything but does need some monitoring.

If your heart and sleep tracking are big for your health issues, I'd say $6 is a really cheap price to pay and MUCHO less than an expensive chest band

 

[monicakm]

I was surprised (well, yes and no) that I wasn't getting ANY deep sleep according to my watch. But maybe I'm not. How do we really know unless we're strapped to a sleep study test?

 

[Greymire]

If your heart and sleep tracking are big for your health issues, I'd say $6 is a really cheap price to pay and MUCHO less than an expensive chest band

True but when you are retired/disabled $6 here and there adds up and gets into the fixed income budget. Sure I can afford it but reviews in the playstore are pretty bad on the app right now.

 

[monicakm]

I understand. And even $1 for such an important app with poor ratings is too much.

 

[Greymire]

I understand. And even $1 for such an important app with poor ratings is too much.

There is actually another sleep app in the Samsung app store for the watch I may try. Reviews are still so so but it's cheaper. I am sure Samsung will eventually square everything. They normally do even if communication is poor.

 

[arunma]

So get this. Today my watch reported I got 14 minutes of deep sleep, which is more than has ever been recorded before. Maybe my watch is working perfectly and I'm just a light sleeper.

 

[Greymire]

So get this. Today my watch reported I got 14 minutes of deep sleep, which is more than has ever been recorded before. Maybe my watch is working perfectly and I'm just a light sleeper.

That's still pretty low of you got a seven hour night of sleep. It might occasionally get that low but should be more. I got zero in 8 hours according to the watch last night. And six the night before.

 

[EMGSM]

I got 22 minutes of deep sleep.

 

[monicakm]

I got 22 minutes of deep sleep.

I'd probably feel like a teenager if I got 22 minutes of deep sleep. I don't know if the watch is right or not but if feeling like you've been run over by a team of mules when you wake up is any indication of lack of deep sleep, the watch is spot on

 

[EMGSM]

I'd probably feel like a teenager if I got 22 minutes of deep sleep. I don't know if the watch is right or not but if feeling like you've been run over by a team of mules when you wake up is any indication of lack of deep sleep, the watch is spot on

I don't get it cause it says I got about 7 1/2 hrs of sleep but 22 minutes was deep sleep.

 

[Greymire]

I got 21 the other night. Highest it has recorded but I still do not believe it's accurate. Research and past reading should be putting me just below 20%. I am getting substantially less but oddly it seems to keep doing better.

 

[Greymire]

Deep sleep tracking is just so erratic. It detected 0 last night.

 

[Peter621022]

Just thinking out loud here: how tight is your watch positioned on your arm? If you follow usual tightness advise for watches, the band shouldn't be too tight around your arm/wrist.
I am pretty sure that if there's space between the watch and your arm - depending on arm position, watch being pressed against pillow, matras or blanket, etc - the HRM won't detect your heart beat accurately, and that may result in poor deep sleep detection.

To test if it can be improved: try putting something soft between the band and your arm (not the watch and your arm, for obvious reasons) so that it gets tighter, hopefully resulting in a firmer positioning of your watch and a better measurement/deep sleep detection.

I will try this myself. I haven't really used deep sleep detection, but now I am curious on how to get the best results.

 

[EMGSM]

This time I got 29 minutes of deep sleep.

 

[Greymire]

Just thinking out loud here: how tight is your watch positioned on your arm? If you follow usual tightness advise for watches, the band shouldn't be too tight around your arm/wrist.
I am pretty sure that if there's space between the watch and your arm - depending on arm position, watch being pressed against pillow, matras or blanket, etc - the HRM won't detect your heart beat accurately, and that may result in poor deep sleep detection.

To test if it can be improved: try putting something soft between the band and your arm (not the watch and your arm, for obvious reasons) so that it gets tighter, hopefully resulting in a firmer positioning of your watch and a better measurement/deep sleep detection.

I will try this myself. I haven't really used deep sleep detection, but now I am curious on how to get the best results.

I use the advice the Fitbit Ionic gave. If you can get a pinky under the band the tightness is perfect.