Droid Maxx/Mini/Ultra survey email; possible soak test soon?

[Moo Cow]

I'm pretty sure is that the original agreement, when signing up for the feedback network, contains a confidentiality clause that would apply in this case as well. So right then and there, spreading the word would be in violation of that agreement.
I'm alsp pretty sure that people like the owner of this blog are being used to unofficially spread the word. Otherwise the authors of the email would have to be complete idiots to not assume that a news hound, who only lives to spread the latest scoop, would actually feel morally obligated to keep anything confidential.

Being from a different generation, it is discouraging to read how many agree that someone else's bad behaviour is justification for one's own poor behavior.
Sad...

For cripes sake it is just a freaking update registration to discuss bugs before its released, and you're turning this into some sort of Bible class on morality.

Look, if this was a family member saying in an email, I have cancer but dont tell anyone else, I wouldn't say it. That's 10000000000 times more important than, what is in the grand scheme of things, a piddly email on a piddly software update for something your generation (I'm guessing) didn't even remotely have at one point. If I'm disqualified from the "test", oh noes. My life isn't going to end. This isn't federal government secrets here.

If I didn't make this post, someone else does. If they are that concerned about secrecy, then selecting members of the public to test it is not the way to go. They, among anyone else, should know the news would get out there anyway. Why start to make it essentially public if you want it sooooo confidential?

So instead of reading the email and acting in your post on your moral high horse like we are all going to Federal prison for life, just take the damn news and be happy an update is soon. I swear, responses like yours are more of a buzz kill than Buzz Killington.

 

[Outatime]

It's just a shame that companies offer programs like this, and all they ask in return is for people not to say anything about it. Which some people for whatever reason cannot do. The end result is they will stop offering programs like this.

 

[omahamatt]

I thoroughly enjoy the [inappropriate language removed by moderators] shown in this thread. Thank you everyone

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[Moo Cow]

It's just a shame that companies offer programs like this, and all they ask in return is for people not to say anything about it. Which some people for whatever reason cannot do. The end result is they will stop offering programs like this.

I said my peace in my last post. If you don't like it, you're free not to read the thread or report this to Motorola or the FBI or whoever. Seriously, it's news people want to know, so why not share it? If it was THAT confidential, trust me, they wouldn't be sharing it with the public. They know exactly what's going to happen when they send the e-mail and eventually send out the soak test.

 

[Pinzgauer]

For cripes sake it is just a freaking update registration to discuss bugs before its released, and you're turning this into some sort of Bible class on morality.

Look, if this was a family member saying in an email, I have cancer but dont tell anyone else, I wouldn't say it. That's 10000000000 times more important than, what is in the grand scheme of things, a piddly email on a piddly software update for something your generation (I'm guessing) didn't even remotely have at one point. If I'm disqualified from the "test", oh noes. My life isn't going to end. This isn't federal government secrets here.

If I didn't make this post, someone else does. If they are that concerned about secrecy, then selecting members of the public to test it is not the way to go. They, among anyone else, should know the news would get out there anyway. Why start to make it essentially public if you want it sooooo confidential?

So instead of reading the email and acting in your post on your moral high horse like we are all going to Federal prison for life, just take the damn news and be happy an update is soon. I swear, responses like yours are more of a buzz kill than Buzz Killington.

Anyone who understands what I am saying can clearly see how you miss my point completely.

I could care less about Motorola and their survey, feedback forum or confidentiality agreements .

I was talking about basic behavior after having agreed to certain conditions.

I completely understand your motivation to be benign and stemming from a place of trying to be helpful. Understanding though, doesn't mean agreeing.
I swear, observing how any agreement seems meaninglessness is the biggest buzz kill of all.

P. S. : as far as I'm concerned, my MAXX is a tool to me and as such it runs flawless on 4.4.2.

 

[silverback]

For cripes sake it is just a freaking update registration to discuss bugs before its released, and you're turning this into some sort of Bible class on morality.

Look, if this was a family member saying in an email, I have cancer but dont tell anyone else, I wouldn't say it. That's 10000000000 times more important than, what is in the grand scheme of things, a piddly email on a piddly software update for something your generation (I'm guessing) didn't even remotely have at one point. If I'm disqualified from the "test", oh noes. My life isn't going to end. This isn't federal government secrets here.

If I didn't make this post, someone else does. If they are that concerned about secrecy, then selecting members of the public to test it is not the way to go. They, among anyone else, should know the news would get out there anyway. Why start to make it essentially public if you want it sooooo confidential?

So instead of reading the email and acting in your post on your moral high horse like we are all going to Federal prison for life, just take the damn news and be happy an update is soon. I swear, responses like yours are more of a buzz kill than Buzz Killington.

Screw confidentiality. You just notified me that:

1) I have another round of [inappropriate language removed by moderators] about the proper function of the home button to weed through.

2) I get to read a gazillion posts about the icons being the wrong color

3) We all get to hear about how terrible Motorizon is for not giving us Android 45.9.3.6.7.a code name "Corroded Arteries with hollandaise".

4) My battery life will go down the tubes unless I do 5 more hard resets.

Yeah, so thanks for that. Maybe not so much for the whole confidentiality thing, but can't people just let me be happy for a week getting my current " upgrade" (notice the quotes indicating sarcasm) sorted out? Really? Now I get to dread the next OTA forced botch. Like I said...thanks.

(The above was intended as a humorous retort, and in no way to incite [inappropriate language removed by moderators], invoke Goodwyn's law or cause your toast to burn. Its just a joke...carry on...)

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[Aquila]

Guys and gals, seriously enough trolling each other. If you don't care for a post, move along. If you feel it is violating forum rules, hit the report button. There is no need, at all, to respond. If we want to talk about the pending update and what it brings, etc - cool If we're just here to call each other out, then we don't need the thread. Thanks!

 

[anon(257429)]

Anyone who understands what I am saying can clearly see how you miss my point completely.

I could care less about Motorola and their survey, feedback forum or confidentiality agreements .

I was talking about basic behavior after having agreed to certain conditions.

I completely understand your motivation to be benign and stemming from a place of trying to be helpful. Understanding though, doesn't mean agreeing.
I swear, observing how any agreement seems meaninglessness is the biggest buzz kill of all.

P. S. : as far as I'm concerned, my MAXX is a tool to me and as such it runs flawless on 4.4.2.

You have 4.4.2? Because you wont be getting the update since the last version released was 4.4. Moto even skipped 4.4.2

 

[cadguy59]

If I were Motorola, I would just not include people in any soak test, who are unwilling to honor the nondisclosure agreement.

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[Snareman]

If I were Motorola, I would just not include people in any soak test, who are unwilling to honor the nondisclosure agreement.

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And how exactly do you do that?

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[cadguy59]

They know who they contact. They monitor these forums. Enough said.

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[Snareman]

They know who they contact. They monitor these forums. Enough said.

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I'm not going to get into an argument because this forum has way too many personal issues, but... If you say so...

I'm still not sure why they even try and keep it secret.

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[doogald]

And how exactly do you do that?

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That's easy. Recruit a set of people who have signed up to be testers. Send them a survey to see that they are willing to keep any communication and details confidential. Have them sign an official, legal NDA that includes financial penalty for leaking information. Enforce the NDA when it does leak (which it probably often will, particularly at first). Remove anybody from future testing when they have leaked details.

This would not stop all leaks, but it might stop some of them.

Or they can just do all testing with internal employees and consultants, but that would be costly.

 

[CKwik240]

Sounds great on paper. Not easy to enforce. Someone could easily create an account here with no ties to any of their actual personal information or anything that would implicate a particular person on their list of testers or even members of their forum. Proving that a tester breached the NDA could be quite difficult. Not to mention the backlash they might receive if they started going after people over this. It may not be worth the trouble or cost to go through.

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[reggier14]

This would not stop all leaks, but it might stop some of them.

That's the problem- if you can't stop (almost) all the leaks, then it doesn't really do any good.

Cracking down on leakers would simply make people more careful when they leak it. There's not much Motorola can do if people make even a minimal effort to conceal their real or virtual identities.

If they really wanted to do something confidential, they'd do much smaller soak tests involving people that have done through some sort of vetting process. Basically, they'd need to do something to ensure they can actually trust the people they pick. That would likely be too expensive, too time consuming, and/or too restrictive.

Anyway, it's a little hard to take Motorola's request for confidentiality seriously when they broadcast the soak tests themselves. Verizon announced the release of Kit Kit to Droid users when the soak test started. They didn't call it a soak, but that's what was going on.

 

[Outatime]

I have a wild idea. How about we promise not to do something, then actually not do it. Then nobody needs policed. Nobody needs threatened with retaliation. Evidently that concept is beyond the forum attention mongers, who then go on to argue that what they've done is no big deal and would have been done by someone else anyway.

 

[Snareman]

So does it matter any more or less when a large site itself puts the story out? They are always posted. Just go to the main page and do a search for "soak test". Heck, just google "Soak test" and see how many things come up. You aren't going to be able to shut down the whole internet.

Motorola starting software soak test for Verizon Droids | Android Central
Droid Ultra and Maxx soak test invites heading out, OTA to begin rolling soon | Android Central
T-Mobile Moto X owners receiving soak test invitations | Android Central

 

[jweimn]

Let's all step back and think really hard about this one. Does Motorola care if information about their "soak" test leaks? The answer is no not really the update isn't that important to them to really care they just get a lot more publicity and attention from soak tests than anything else along with maybe fixing a big before the general release but almost every time the update is released to everyone else a day or two after the soak test starts so in reality their isn't really any bugs being fixed.

 

[lewwill]

I have a wild idea. How about we promise not to do something, then actually not do it. Then nobody needs policed. Nobody needs threatened with retaliation. Evidently that concept is beyond the forum attention mongers, who then go on to argue that what they've done is no big deal and would have been done by someone else anyway.

I agree outatime. There good reasons for not publicizing soaks and I will not go into them since people refuse to acknowledge or admit them. What is really a shame is that so many people do not keep their word. It shows a lack of honor and integrity. If you cannot keep your word just don't take the soak. So many cheat on their taxes, claim benefits they do not deserve and lie to their friends and family. Personal honesty and integrity does not exist any more for many. :-\

 

[Aquila]

Yawn. Apparently we have nothing regarding the test to discuss, so this thread is done. Sorry everyone, staying on topic didn't work out.