Epic or Evo Shift(Knight, Swift, whatever it might be)

[skrappyxn]

My wife can get a new phone on Feb 1st. She has waited patiently for two years with an Instinct, while I've already had a Pre and Evo. Needless to say, she is more than itching for a new phone.
Should she get an Epic or wait for the new Evo type phone? Or is there a pink Android phone out for SPRINT? I told her if she wants a pink phone it will probably have to be a sub par smartphone. Any help would be great. It will be hard to convince her to wait, if you guys suggest the new Evo.

 

[RUSH]

I would say hold out for the new EVO. It is rumored to be a cross between the EVO and the Epic.

If she have a passion for either phones...then she will definitely love the new EVO.

Regards...

 

[boobie1292]

The only pink Android phone is the Intercept and it is a truly horrible phone. There is a purple option in the LG Optimus S. My girlfriend has one and it is a pretty nice phone.

From what I hear so far the Shift will be pretty nice but not quite up to the specs of the Epic. If it matches the G2 it will be a very solid choice.

Sent from my Epic 3g

how is it not up to the epic specs? it actually is. idk where your getting your info from

 

[jrz5024]

how is it not up to the epic specs? it actually is. idk where your getting your info from

Perhaps I'm mistaken as well, but I was under the impression it would ship with an 800 Mhz processor, likely a snapdragon, which would indeed be slightly slower than the Epic's 1 Ghz Hummingbird.

Even if it doesn't, I'd recommend the Epic if only for it's SAMOLED screen. I really don't think I'll ever be able to go back to traditional LCDs after getting spoiled by those inky black blacks.

 

[Dramer77]

it has a second generation snapdragon, that even at 800mhz is faster than first gen 1ghz.. look at all the quadrant scores etc on the G2 on tmobile...

 

[boobie1292]

From the front page of this website...



Smaller screen. Obviously not AMOLED. Worse keyboard (design-wise and personal preference, feel is yet to be determined, but I like having numbers that don't need an extra button push). 8gb card rather than 16 (mostly irrelevant as you can upgrade, but out of the box it's not up to the specs of the Epic).

From earlier stories that suggested the insides were very similar to the G2, and reviews of the G2, we can assume that the camera will not be up to the quality of the Epic. I've also seen no indication that it will have a dedicated graphics processor, which is one thing that really makes the Epic shine. So even if it matches the Epic's processor ability, it will still fall short without that graphics processor. It also doesn't seem to have a front facing camera.

If it has the same build quality as the G2, that will definitely be a positive.

So, now you know my perspective as to why it isn't up to the specs of the Epic. Perhaps you can explain why you think it is.

ok lets see, first major plus doesnt have touchwiz, second no gps issue, third keyboard made by htc are amazing used both epic and g2s but g2s beats it hand down. samoled is nice but rather have an htc phone. yea gigs can change so that np, but touchwiz wont unless you root. and it does have a fron facing camera

 

[boobie1292]

I don't use Touchwiz and haven't rooted... Launcherpro is my homescreen of choice (and would be on an HTC phone as well).

I don't have any gps issue either, though I don't use it regularly so maybe I just haven't run into it.

Good to hear about the front facing camera. I haven't seen anything that says it does yet.

if you click the source it talks about the ffc...

 

[Lilin28]

get her which ever one she likes and then buy her a Pink snap on case or silicone skin.

 

[splmonster]

The G2 beats the Epic in GPU testing, and according to reports the Evo Shift will house the same 2nd gen Snapdragon as the G2. Which even clocked at 800mhz it showed it beat the Epic. Again Epic owners, yeah the Hummingbird is awesome no doubt, but the G2 proved it was faster. The Evo Shift will have the same CPU/GPU as it.

 

[ahatt]

SAME situation! (except im the wife)

My wife can get a new phone on Feb 1st. She has waited patiently for two years with an Instinct, while I've already had a Pre and Evo. Needless to say, she is more than itching for a new phone.
Should she get an Epic or wait for the new Evo type phone? Or is there a pink Android phone out for SPRINT? I told her if she wants a pink phone it will probably have to be a sub par smartphone. Any help would be great. It will be hard to convince her to wait, if you guys suggest the new Evo.

My husband has had an LG lotus and also has the Evo. I still have the instinct from 2 years ago and it STILL doesnt work correctly. I can get a new one now but I am waiting to see the specs on the Shift/Knight. (If it has a good camera, etc) I would go to the sprint store and have her try out the Epic and if she doesnt absolutely love it then just wait.

 

[splmonster]

AndroidMixer ? Blog Archive ? T-Mobile G2 vs Samsung Vibrant: GPU Benchmarks

"Both devices in this tests has certain advantages, the G2 is running Froyo with JIT. Android 2.2 is known for boosting graphics as well as processing speed. The Vibrant has a lag fix which is partially responsible for the high Quadrant score. Overall, the Hummingbird still has the advantage. I can’t wait to see the boost in scores once the Galaxy S line gets Android 2.2."

Fanboys always get me.. The Hummingbird is old news. On to better devices and better chips. Are you going to feel horrible when everyone is on Gingerbread and your Galaxy S line is still waiting for Froyo? Samsung has horrible devs, and nothing is moving in that office.

 

[jrz5024]

Fanboys always get me.. The Hummingbird is old news. On to better devices and better chips. Are you going to feel horrible when everyone is on Gingerbread and your Galaxy S line is still waiting for Froyo? Samsung has horrible devs, and nothing is moving in that office.

In what way is he a fanboy...? I was about to post the exact same article, but he beat me to it. The article plainly states that Hummingbird has an advantage. Frankly, it's impressive that the Epic can keep up with the G2 at all, considering it's not running 2.2 and therefore doesn't have the JIT compiler - frankly, the G2 should be scoring well above the Epic at this point, and the fact that it isn't is more indicative of it's lack of power than the Epic's. Neocore scores on the G2 consistently beat the Epic by only 2-3 fps, and the Epic is still stuck with Eclair!

Obviously real world performance differences between the two phones will be insanely marginal, so if forced to produce rationale for choosing the Epic I'd just point to the screen and leave it at that. But you shouldn't go calling people fanboys for making legitimate arguments.

 

[jjeffcoat]

How are the screens on the Epic and the Shift different? What exactly does AMOLED mean and why is it better?
jim

 

[bmatt0516]

AMOLED, to my understanding, has an individual light source per pixel, or near that. Therefore allowing the screen to have localized dimming which provides better contrast. On traditional LCD technology there is a single backlight that shines light through the LCD panel, allowing you to see what is displayed. Since it is a single, overall, lightsource, you get still get some lighting even when a pixel is turned black, so it doesn't look as dark as it could.

To be fair, there are also some disadvantages I've read about recently. One being that since there is localized lighting/dimming the light sources can become dimmer in areas causing a form of "burn-in." I don't know how serious this problem is, as generally LCD lighting technology is rated at around 50k hours before it starts losing its intensity. However, since this isnt traditional lighting it may be different, though I don't see why it would be that much different. Maybe since overall lighting fading slightly may not provide a noticeable difference in small amounts where localized may be more noticeable with smaller diminishes?

 

[jjeffcoat]

So it has no bearing on how sensitive the screen is to touch/inputs?

 

[bmatt0516]

Nope, the AMOLED is strictly the technology behind the LCD panel and lighting technology. The AMOLED screen also has a broader color range, from what I've heard at least, than the EVO has.

 

[useport80]

hey all,
just joined the forums here. i've had a blackberry 8330 for the last 5 years or so and i'm going to be jumping on the android bandwagon within the next few months. i enjoy my blackberry due to the keyboard. i currently dont use my phone for much since this blackberry is slow/sux/failboat/etc but i would like to use my phone for much more in the future. i haven't kept up with all the new phones and the techie hype but im starting to get back into it also.

i'm a sprint customer and i'll have an upgrade soon.

i also would like to join this thread because it seems like my two keyboard android options on sprint are the epic and shift.

i seem to be leaning towards the shift since it has the 2nd gen proc and the epic doesn't have froyo yet. i haven't really experienced touchwiz and senseUI so i dont have any preference yet.

im gonna miss blackberry messenger

 

[estebancam]

hey all,
just joined the forums here. i've had a blackberry 8330 for the last 5 years or so and i'm going to be jumping on the android bandwagon within the next few months. i enjoy my blackberry due to the keyboard. i currently dont use my phone for much since this blackberry is slow/sux/failboat/etc but i would like to use my phone for much more in the future. i haven't kept up with all the new phones and the techie hype but im starting to get back into it also.

i'm a sprint customer and i'll have an upgrade soon.

i also would like to join this thread because it seems like my two keyboard android options on sprint are the epic and shift.

i seem to be leaning towards the shift since it has the 2nd gen proc and the epic doesn't have froyo yet. i haven't really experienced touchwiz and senseUI so i dont have any preference yet.

im gonna miss blackberry messenger

As I have always said in these comparisons, go epic. I had an evo for a while (3 months) before I switched to epic. 2.2 was good to have, but it did not make that big of a difference at all. In fact, I do not miss 2.2 one bit. The second generation processor that you hear about now on the shift is still not near as powerful as the hummingbird processor on the epic. It is quite sad to see that my two year old pre can handle video and 3D graphics much better than the Evo I had running the "all powerful" snapdragon. If the processor is the same as on the G2, it is a solid processor and gets really high benchmarks because froyo is designed for qualcomm processors. Regardless, you are getting a processor that is already far outdone by other processors in the market.

Not to mention the screen is much better on epic, the touch screen is MUCH more responsive (just about as responsive as the iphone screen), the battery lasts incredibly longer on the epic (i got 8 hours of moderate use on evo, I am averaging 14-16 on epic), and the rear camera is much much better (the front is better on evo)

I think w where the evo excels is the software. It runs circles around touchwiz. I really do miss thee look and the ability to customize on sense. it is a really good software. I have tried my hardest to replicate it with tools from the market and although I am close, I can't quite get it just like sense.

 

[jrz5024]

So it has no bearing on how sensitive the screen is to touch/inputs?

Actually, the Super AMOLED screen does improve touch sensitivity and responsiveness by integrating the touch panel into the screen itself, rather than creating a touch sensitive overlay on top.

A good explanation by samsung: YouTube - Samsung explain SUPER AMOLED

 

[useport80]

i do like the epic's beautiful screen, but i've only seen it once in real life.

i thought the gen2 800mhz proc on the shift was faster than the epic's 1ghz hummingbird. im not putting too much stock into the quadrant scores since the epic is still on 2.1 and its disadvantaged already. aside from quadrant scores, whats the performance difference between the epic and shift?