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[bunique4life05]

I am still skeptical about doze. I feel it's more a function that will benefit moderate to light users than moderate to heavy users. The higher than moderate user to Heavy may activate their phones too soon for doze function can take affect.

 

[getbretweir]

Everyone is singing Doze's praises on here, but was standby time anyone's concern before you got sold Doze? Screen on time is what drains your battery, not standby. I've never heard anyone complain about how much their phone goes down when they aren't using it(aside from people with some battery draining app/service/process). My phone already lasts a long time if I'm not turning it on. I could really care less if it lasts 24, 48, or 72 hours while it's on standby, because it will never be off for that long. I mean, if you get five days of standby but only three hours of screen time, what did you gain? It's the using the phone that runs it down, not sitting while it's off. And I haven't heard anything that leads me to believe screen time will increase at all. Hope my concerns prove unfounded.

personally yeah, standby has always been an issue for me. I've been talking about it for 3 years. my wife keeps her iPhone on the same end table as me, I take mine off the charger at 100% use it a little, get ready for work and by the time I leave it's down to 93% ... hers just sits there at 67% (very light user) off the charger and doesn't budge.

Google has been saying their standby will be fixed for years. I'll believe when I see it.

that said, yeah, SOT is the meat and potatoes, but if they can slightly improve the two, it'll make a significant difference

 

[jackdubl]

personally yeah, standby has always been an issue for me. I've been talking about it for 3 years. my wife keeps her iPhone on the same end table as me, I take mine off the charger at 100% use it a little, get ready for work and by the time I leave it's down to 93% ... hers just sits there at 67% (very light user) off the charger and doesn't budge.

Google has been saying their standby will be fixed for years. I'll believe when I see it.

that said, yeah, SOT is the meat and potatoes, but if they can slightly improve the two, it'll make a significant difference

So let's examine that. I'll assume an average of 3.5 hours screen time, which is generous(I'm lucky to get that on rare occasions). That's 210 minutes at 100%, and 21 minutes for 10%. Your drops 7%, which is about 14 minutes. At 3 hours screen time, that would drop to 12 minutes. You just said you use it a little in the morning. So if you're using it at least 10 minutes in the morning, Doze won't give you anything back. And I haven't yet asked how old the battery on your phone is yet, or what you actually do on it during that time(any music, for instance?). So I think you are over rating Doze's impact on actual use. Again, I hope to be proven wrong, but at this point I still say standby time is not the issue with battery life.

 

[getbretweir]

So let's examine that. I'll assume an average of 3.5 hours screen time, which is generous(I'm lucky to get that on rare occasions). That's 210 minutes at 100%, and 21 minutes for 10%. Your drops 7%, which is about 14 minutes. At 3 hours screen time, that would drop to 12 minutes. You just said you use it a little in the morning. So if you're using it at least 10 minutes in the morning, Doze won't give you anything back. And I haven't yet asked how old the battery on your phone is yet, or what you actually do on it during that time(any music, for instance?). So I think you are over rating Doze's impact on actual use. Again, I hope to be proven wrong, but at this point I still say standby time is not the issue with battery life.

I'm "over rating Doze's impact?" i mean, did you even read my response? lol. where exactly did i say that?

most of that 7%, pretty much all of it actually, is on standby ... also it drips quicker from 100% to 80% and 20% to 0% then in between. point is, while I'm at work or if I'm not using it 3-4 hours, that extra 15% could make a huge difference. I mean, of its only 10% I lose, and M plus a more efficient phone can give me another 10% that means instead of being at 20% by 3pm (just an example) I'm at 40% ... for me that's a significant difference.

again, like I said before and what you failed to notice, is that I'll believe it when I see it, cause android has made similar claims before. a catchy name like Doze isn't enough to persuade me despite the favorable early test results.

if that extreme skepticism is over rating Doze I don't know what else to say!!

http://androidcommunity.com/android-ms-doze-feature-drastically-improves-battery-life-20150609/

 

[adamgalas1]

So I agree that from the rumored specs it seems as if the Huawei Nexus 6 isn't an upgrade at all.

Luckily the Nexus 6 is such a beast that is should be good for another 2 or 3 years and by then Nexus Phablets should have evolved to much better levels. Even aesthetically the Moto Nexus 6 is beautiful and elegant and if I have to I shall ride the beast into the ground until Google finally stops fracking around on us with these ridiculous Nexi compromises.

On the other hand, as others have pointed out 2015 is the year of the shrinking battery. Heck I just read rumors that the iPhone 6S will have a 7% smaller battery because they had to make room for force touch and god forbid they make the phone any thicker.

BUT I do have a point to make about the Moto X 2016.

The Moto X Pure was the last flagship designed by Moto before Lenovo bought them (these phones were in the pipeline when the deal closed).

Lenovo just released some awesome phones with big screens and insanely big batteries. So hopefully that means that the Moto X 2016 line will include a phablet with a screen to match the legendary Nexus 6 (2014) BUT a much bigger battery, meaning 4-5,000 mAh (the P1 they announced today is a 5.5" with a 5,000 mAh screen).

Of course there is still the issue of software. As many of you know Lenovo recently fired 20% of Moto's workforce, including all the software engineers.

It would be a shame to see the next Moto X generation include a 6" phone with a 4,000+ mAh battery and 820 processor BUT have some terrible skin that does away with Moto assist and leads to long update times.

 

[Alex_NJ]

I know right?! 2700 on 5.5" from Hauwei of all companies? I've been saying stock and battery are what's important to me. I'm just gonna have to forget about battery at this point. if and when we finally get it, great, but I'm done banging my head against the wall.

3000 mAh, if nothing else but out of spite is the lowest I'll go, but I'm done with it.

There is always the OP2

 

[Alex_NJ]

Sony have managed to fit a 3,430mAh battery in to their 5.5in Z5.

I hope Huawei can do the same

 

[getbretweir]

Sony have managed to fit a 3,430mAh battery in to their 5.5in Z5.

I hope Huawei can do the same

we'll see, I'm pretty much resigned to the fact that at least in the US phones simply don't come with what I consider larger batteries.

stock and battery had been my 2 biggest concerns, but at this point it's obvious that's not happening.

I don't want to fall into the trap of waiting for the next best thing, cause soon not only will we be dealing with small batteries, but 4K screens too

 

[AllenRulz]

And I don't see a good thing with small batteries being in a phone with a 4k screen. Just seems like a killer. I'm giving next year a chance with the new chip 820 but I won't wait any longer than that. I will get something for sure in 2016

 

[getbretweir]

And I don't see a good thing with small batteries being in a phone with a 4k screen. Just seems like a killer. I'm giving next year a chance with the new chip 820 but I won't wait any longer than that. I will get something for sure in 2016

HTC has a MONSTER opportunity right now. all eyes will be on them and it'll be the first flagship with the 820 ... hopefully the successor to the M9 will be successful. not sure it'll get them out of the weeds, but they can definitely capitalize on what 2015 missed.

offer a big phone with big battery and smaller version with the same specs. combine that with a fresh design and decent camera, and they might have a chance.

 

[bunique4life05]

HTC has a MONSTER opportunity right now.

HTC always has a Monster opportunity but they just don't have the revenue to capitalise. They missed that boat back with the One X and again with the HTC M8. HTC is trying stay afloat and can't afford to make a big splash.

 

[getbretweir]

HTC always has a Monster opportunity but they just don't have the revenue to capitalise. They missed that boat back with the One X and again with the HTC M8. HTC is trying stay afloat and can't afford to make a big splash.

they can't afford a big marketing budget, but they can afford to remove that black bar and offer two versions ... it's their last chance so they might as well go all in. idk if anybody will give them credit though, that's just a dept I know nothing about, so I imagine as you eluded to that can cause some trouble

 

[jackdubl]

I'm "over rating Doze's impact?" i mean, did you even read my response? lol. where exactly did i say that?

most of that 7%, pretty much all of it actually, is on standby ... also it drips quicker from 100% to 80% and 20% to 0% then in between. point is, while I'm at work or if I'm not using it 3-4 hours, that extra 15% could make a huge difference. I mean, of its only 10% I lose, and M plus a more efficient phone can give me another 10% that means instead of being at 20% by 3pm (just an example) I'm at 40% ... for me that's a significant difference.

again, like I said before and what you failed to notice, is that I'll believe it when I see it, cause android has made similar claims before. a catchy name like Doze isn't enough to persuade me despite the favorable early test results.

if that extreme skepticism is over rating Doze I don't know what else to say!!

http://androidcommunity.com/android-ms-doze-feature-drastically-improves-battery-life-20150609/

Believe it or not, I CAN read. You concluded your statement by saying, if true, you think it would make a SIGNIFICANT difference. I disputed that conclusion, and gave my thinking on why there would be little to no significant difference, even if it was true.

 

[jackdubl]

that said, yeah, SOT is the meat and potatoes, but if they can slightly improve the two, it'll make a significant difference

I'll give another example. Right now, I get about 2.0 to 2.5 SOT, down from my usual 3.0 or more. That's mostly because I got a Bluetooth radio in my car and the battery runs down much faster when it is connected. But if it takes me 32 hours to get to the 2.5 hours SOT, then my phone lasts 32 hours. If it takes me 12 hours to get to 2.5 hours SOT, then my phone lasts 12 hours. The standby time is not driving battery life. That is pretty much how it's been on every smartphone I have ever owned, and I used to buy them yearly at least.

 

[robert7107]

PCWorld: Report: Google will unveil new Nexus phones at September 29 event in San Francisco. http://google.com/newsstand/s/CBIwktX9qyI

 

[Hasbrobot]

Am I the only one not comfortable that this is based on an article from a very unreliable source, CNET? They have been wrong more times than I can recall. Many times they're articles are filled with uncertainties, assumptions and even outright lies.

 

[AllenRulz]

Doesn't matter. We already pretty much know what the specs and stuff are.

 

[getbretweir]

Believe it or not, I CAN read. You concluded your statement by saying, if true, you think it would make a SIGNIFICANT difference. I disputed that conclusion, and gave my thinking on why there would be little to no significant difference, even if it was true.

fair enough. but you accused me of "over rating doze" ... beginning a sentence with "if true" means I'm speaking hypothetically, so I'm not over rating anything.

BTW LOVE the pic, HUGE Bo Jackson fan ... had the raiders starter jacket with the matching game hat back in the day ... with every poster they made of him! actually met him at the heisman when I was 8 years old!

 

[jackdubl]

fair enough. but you accused me of "over rating doze" ... beginning a sentence with "if true" means I'm speaking hypothetically, so I'm not over rating anything.

BTW LOVE the pic, HUGE Bo Jackson fan ... had the raiders starter jacket with the matching game hat back in the day ... with every poster they made of him! actually met him at the heisman when I was 8 years old!

Greatest running back I ever saw on a field. Greatest athlete I have ever seen.

 

[fatboy97]

Am I the only one not comfortable that this is based on an article from a very unreliable source, CNET? They have been wrong more times than I can recall. Many times they're articles are filled with uncertainties, assumptions and even outright lies.

That's exactly how we get 5-6 "reliable" stories about the specs... they all use the one source and repeat it over and over again as their own. And that's exactly how we get so many stories here about the same specs over and over again... then people start believing it's all true.