Google Nexus 6 Its the end of the Nexus brand

[Crispy]

Re: Its the end of the Nexus brand

So prior to the Nexus 4, when the Nexus One, Nexus S and Galaxy Nexus sold for full high-end pricing, that was still considered 'Nexus'.

Then we had two years of Google subsidizing the cost of the phones and making a loss, now they don't want to make that loss any more and all of a sudden it's no longer 'Nexus'?

Yeah, ok. Whatever you say, because it seems you're the authority on what constitutes as 'Nexus' or not. *rolls eyes*

I made it quite clear I was talking about only the N4/N5. And we have zero evidence Google sold them at a loss, in fact that is extremely unlikely, given the bill of materials. One+ sells their phone at $300, so do tons of Chinese oem's, if you think a premium phone actually costs $600-800 (whats charged in US) that's very naive.

 

[Ry]

Re: Its the end of the Nexus brand

A Nexus is whatever Google calls a Nexus.

Yes. Even those Galaxy Nexus phones for Verizon and Sprint.

Even a $650 Nexus 6 is Nexus.

You don't make that decision for Google.

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[Ry]

Re: The carriers forced the price

Maybe Moto, LG, HTC, and Samsung forced the price. Maybe they got tired of Google undercutting their partners.

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[I Can Be Your Hero]

Re: Its the end of the Nexus brand

I made it quite clear I was talking about only the N4/N5. And we have zero evidence Google sold them at a loss, in fact that is extremely unlikely, given the bill of materials. One+ sells their phone at $300, so do tons of Chinese oem's, if you think a premium phone actually costs $600-800 (whats charged in US) that's very naive.

Here's why T-Mobile's Nexus 5 is $100 more than at Google Play - CNET

LG made the Nexus 4 and Nexus 5 and sold it at bill of materials + their profit margin. Google purchased it from LG, subsidized it and sold it on Google Play (ie; Google loses money on every handset sold). Other retailers and carriers purchase the Nexus 4 and 5 and sell it at RRP, which is why it was higher than the Google Play price - the retailers/carriers aren't going to subsidize the phone for consumers.

So now Google don't want to make the loss that they did on the Nexus 4 and 5 and don't want to subsidize it for consumers anymore. That's why we're seeing it being priced at $650, and will probably be the same, if not very similar at retail stores.

Or do you think LG just manufactured the Nexus 4 and 5 and sold it literally at production cost and made no profit at all, out of the goodness of their heart?

 

[Crispy]

Re: Its the end of the Nexus brand

Look, I'm not saying Google should still sell Nexus phones at $400. All I'm saying is from a consumers perspective, a choice is now gone, and Nexus phones will now just be seen as a pure Android phone at the same price as other flagships.

 

[ultravisitor]

Re: Its the end of the Nexus brand

A Nexus is whatever Google calls a Nexus.

Yes. Even those Galaxy Nexus phones for Verizon and Sprint.

Even a $650 Nexus 6 is Nexus.

You don't make that decision for Google.

We should just repost this whenever someone brings up that "not a Nexus" argument about any Nexus phone.

 

[Ry]

Re: Its the end of the Nexus brand

Look, I'm not saying Google should still sell Nexus phones at $400. All I'm saying is from a consumers perspective, a choice is now gone, and Nexus phones will now just be seen as a pure Android phone at the same price as other flagships.

But it's not the end of the Nexus brand.

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[pmcnei11]

Re: Its the end of the Nexus brand

Look, I'm not saying Google should still sell Nexus phones at $400. All I'm saying is from a consumers perspective, a choice is now gone, and Nexus phones will now just be seen as a pure Android phone at the same price as other flagships.

Its still cheaper than other flagships! (in the UK anyway). The 801 HD phones are more expensive than the N6 here.

 

[RealDogBoy]

Re: Its the end of the Nexus brand

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Its a drastic shift in focus and I have to sy its not all for the good. Instead of taking a stand against carriers Google has given in to them....

That's the thing that I'm most afraid of -- I'm not sure that it's true but, if it is, that's really bad news. American (and maybe Canadian -- but not the rest of the world) consumers have been subjected to anti-competitive business practices in the mobile phone industry for at least the last decade or so.

I was so happy to see a powerful player like Google stand up to the carriers -- by promoting unlocked phones -- not sold through the carriers -- at a very competitive price. I hope they're not going back on on their pledge: "Don't Be Evil".

We don't know all the details yet. So let's not jump to conclusions.

 

[Slashyou]

Re: Its the end of the Nexus brand

A Nexus is whatever Google calls a Nexus.

Yes. Even those Galaxy Nexus phones for Verizon and Sprint.

Even a $650 Nexus 6 is Nexus.

You don't make that decision for Google.

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But maybe the google play will sell for 349$? anyway i dont have google play devices here in denmark so they are always expensive here. nexus 5 costs 649$ here now and when it first came it was 1000$!

 

[Kaido]

Re: Its the end of the Nexus brand

Besides the pricing concerns, the Nexus 6 is perfectly consistent with the spec evolution we have seen over the past three years.

Google has used the most powerful Snapdragon processor available at the time for the Nexus 4, Nexus 5, and Nexus 6:

• Nexus 4 ~ Snapdragon S4 Pro
• Nexus 5 ~ Snapdragon 800
• Nexus 6 ~ Snapdragon 805

Display:

• Nexus 4 ~ 768p
• Nexus 5 ~ 1080p
• Nexus 6 ~ 1440p

Storage:

• Nexus 4 ~ 8 GB & 16 GB
• Nexus 5 ~ 16 GB & 32 GB
• Nexus 6 ~ 32 GB & 64 GB

 

[Kaido]

Re: Its the end of the Nexus brand

Its a drastic shift in focus and I have to sy its not all for the good. Instead of taking a stand against carriers Google has given in to them. There is no guarantee they will even allow direct updates from Google.

lmao what

If this isn't an overreaction then I'm not sure what is

 

[Lbesze]

Re: Its the end of the Nexus brand

The Nexus 6 is a great phone (pending review of battery life and camera) but its not a Nexus.

The Nexus brand over the last few years, since the debacle of the Galaxy Nexus, has come to stand for an affordable, high end phone with pure Android, accessible to anyone and free from carrier tyranny. I know many people who bought the N4/N5, esp after price drops, and used it with prepaid, the TMobile $30 plan etc. It was a phone anyone could buy without signing up for contracts.

That ends today. Google has decided it wants the profits. No more cheap phones for the masses. You want cheap - get the N5, Moto G, last years Moto X, or buy used.

Its a drastic shift in focus and I have to sy its not all for the good. Instead of taking a stand against carriers Google has given in to them. There is no guarantee they will even allow direct updates from Google.

Seriously wee need a bill of rights to a Google subsidized phone, or else!:-\

 

[Lbesze]

Re: Its the end of the Nexus brand

That's the thing that I'm most afraid of -- I'm not sure that it's true but, if it is, that's really bad news. American (and maybe Canadian -- but not the rest of the world) consumers have been subjected to anti-competitive business practices in the mobile phone industry for at least the last decade or so.

I was so happy to see a powerful player like Google stand up to the carriers -- by promoting unlocked phones -- not sold through the carriers -- at a very competitive price. I hope they're not going back on on their pledge: "Don't Be Evil".

We don't know all the details yet. So let's not jump to conclusions.

It wasn't a competitive price, it was subsidized.Also Google is not a telco company, standing up to that industry or not won't make them "evil" or otherwise. They slogan has nothing to do with this issue, it pertained how themselves conducted business in their own field, and of course they have a lot to answer on that, but it's a whole different topic all together.

 

[Scott7217]

Re: Its the end of the Nexus brand

But it's not the end of the Nexus brand.

People are just worried because they saw the movie.

"After a bloody mutiny by a NEXUS 6 combat team in an Off-World colony, Replicants were declared illegal on earth -- under penalty of death. Special police squads -- BLADE RUNNER UNITS -- had orders to shoot to kill, upon detection, any trespassing Replicant. This was not called execution. It was called retirement."

- Blade Runner (1982)

 

[IrishFXDB]

Re: Its the end of the Nexus brand

What is with people assuming that higher cost means it will suddenly be filled with carrier bloat and won't get the usual Nexus grade updates? How can you assume that purely based on the cost of the phone?

It's still a Nexus. It still comes with pure Android. It's still made with Google's direct control, announced by Google, etc.
The change in pricing could be directly related to the deal and/or relationship with Motorola...

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[Gekko]

Re: Its the end of the Nexus brand

http://forums.androidcentral.com/go...-motorola-nexus-6-nexus-x-28.html#post3966804

 

[swebb]

Re: Its the end of the Nexus brand

Its a drastic shift in focus and I have to sy its not all for the good. Instead of taking a stand against carriers Google has given in to them. There is no guarantee they will even allow direct updates from Google.

Couldn't disagree more. There is still an unlocked bloat free N6 available that you can take to any carrier you desire. The fact that Google is no longer "giving" them away is irrelevant. Google is not obligated to sell heavily subsidized phones. We were fortunate to have a couple years with the N4 and N5.

 

[Chase Lilly]

Re: Its the end of the Nexus brand

To me the Nexus is about updates straight from Google. If we have to wait on a carrier to modify and push an update for a Nexus then it is not truly a Nexus and Google “sold out” to the carriers.

If, however, the Nexus 6 will update straight from Google without going through the carriers at all then Google has done something right. Also no carrier bloat but I see that as unlikely. Although I think these two things may have to come together. I am not sure.

 

[qnet]

Re: Its the end of the Nexus brand

Crispy I think you're overreacting a bit. I don't think it's the end of the Nexus brand. Getting the last two Nexus phones at a discounted price was nice, however there were sacrifices. IMO Google is getting back to what many thought the Nexus should be. The Nexus 6 is high-end enthusiast Android reference phone.

I haven't been posting on these forums in a while, but I'm a ultimate Nexus fanboy. I've had every Nexus since the Nexus One. This is very exciting for me and I can't wait to compare it to my Iphone 6 plus. I've been waiting for Google to release a Motorola nexus and now they finally have.