Google Nexus 6 Preorder Info & Reviews

[Adranalyne]

Re: It's a typical Nexus phone, full of compromises

I do know that and this is exactly what I said in my 'review prediction' thread, but the panel on the N6 is really pretty bad - it has really poor max brightness which will cause people to run it at higher levels, thus using more battery, and its not going to be visible in sunlight. 258 nits is pathetic. The colors and calibration are worse than the N5, a phone $30 cheaper. Its clear Google skimped on the panel.

Google owns Motorola. It would've been trivial to enable Moto Assist for this phone and also to add the hw sensors. Even basic stuff like double tap to wake, which is supported by both the hw and sw, isn't enabled.

And why is the battery life so poor on this phone? Wasn't ART and Project Volta supposed to help? I'm as much a Nexus fan as others but I'm not going to look over the flaws at this price point.

Nothing wrong with people accepting these flaws and wanting the phone anyways. Ignoring them as if they aren't there, however, just allows Google to continue to mail it in just because they're Google. The camera is flawed, the battery is flawed, the screen is horrendously calibrated, and there's some definite bugs in the initial Lollipop release (which is par for the course).

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[Storm24]

Re: Ars Technica: Nexus 6 Review - The “premium” price still comes with compromises

Hopefully they can figure out a way to adjust something on the Lollipop side that would speed it up... It's considerably slower but I don't know if it's a major issue.... From most of the video it's a split second except when you run very high graphic intense and memory hogging games it's not major...............

After reading a lot of stuff from XDA and Reddit, I am not worried about this at all. It is fixable via software and I am sure they will. They may already have with the new release today.

 

[Crispy]

Re: It's a typical Nexus phone, full of compromises

Nothing wrong with people accepting these flaws and wanting the phone anyways. Ignoring them as if they aren't there, however, just allows Google to continue to mail it in just because they're Google. The camera is flawed, the battery is flawed, the screen is horrendously calibrated, and there's some definite bugs in the initial Lollipop release (which is par for the course).

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Precisely. This is pretty average hardware and if it wasn't called Nexus, no one would care about it. Its funny how one of Android's strengths (anyone can customize it) makes the Nexus line desirable almost entirely because its pure stock.

 

[Robbie317]

Re: It's a typical Nexus phone, full of compromises

Nothing wrong with people accepting these flaws and wanting the phone anyways. Ignoring them as if they aren't there, however, just allows Google to continue to mail it in just because they're Google. The camera is flawed, the battery is flawed, the screen is horrendously calibrated, and there's some definite bugs in the initial Lollipop release (which is par for the course).

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I find it highly entertaining that people are saying what all is wrong with the device and pointing out all the flaws we are just going to accept and live with when outside of a very select group of people given demo units to review... No one knows any facts... Reviews range from full of compromise and marginally good to not too bad and amazing device in every way... I've read at least a dozen reviews today... I won't know until I have it....

EVERY device has flaws and draw backs.. No device is perfect.... that is why MFG's are always making adjustments to software, hardware and design... Using different materials and playing with sizes and features... our taste changes..... As one review I read said... Remember the 4.3 inc HTC EVO 4G was too big and now that is a tiny phone in comparison to today...

 

[Closingracer]

The led is definitely not as bright on the white model compared to the black. Additionally, the led on my Note 3 was much brighter than the Note 4.

Na I find the led on the note 4 to be just as bright as the note 3

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[Robbie317]

Re: Ars Technica: Nexus 6 Review - The “premium” price still comes with compromises

After reading a lot of stuff from XDA and Reddit, I am not worried about this at all. It is fixable via software and I am sure they will. They may already have with the new release today.

I have not even been over to XDA yet but I am not at all worried about it.... The rest of this year and specially after it's full release and operating on all carriers there are going to be software and firmware patches and fixes.... The life of early adoption....

 

[Closingracer]

I agree. I have the Nexus 9 and love it. It's the best Android tablet I've owned. I don't have all the build quality issues that some reviewers have. Reviews are good to watch and can help, but I think it's always good to try the device for yourself if possible.

A few years ago I watched some reviews comparing the Nexus S to the Mytouch 4G. One review mentioned how they favored the Mytouch because of the extra features it had, and how stock Android was plain and mostly for geeks. I ate it all up, and ended up buying the MT4G.

The Mytouch was a nice phone at the time, but then I bought a Nexus S from best buy, just out of curiosity since once had a Nexus One. To make a long story short, the Nexus S smoked the Mytouch as far as handling all the Google services and ran a lot faster. All my contacts synced better, Google voice set up easier and everything just worked better the way I liked.

At the time Tmobile ran their HSPA + and branded it 4G on the Mytouch. The Nexus S was just a 3G phone and I didn't realize at the time that it was actually running HSPA and just representing it as what it actually was (enhanced 3G). Running HSPA and not HSPA+ the network speed wasn't as fast as the Mytouch but very close. Close enough that stopped using the Mytouch and used the Nexus S.

I've never cared about the camera performance on phones but don't fault people who do. This may sound crazy to some people, but I was happy with the Nexus 5's camera, I just didn't like the slow shutter speed, until they updated it. What I love about Nexus phones is the speed in which they handle the Google services, which I'm very into. I like Google now, movies , music... etc.

Admittedly, the Note series can handle all that stuff fairly well now, I know my Note 3 did. As a former computer tech/Network guy, I just equate phones like the Note 4 with touchwiz to a computer like Dell or HP, that comes loaded with a bunch of extra crap that eats the memory up ( I haven't bought a branded PC in a while so i don't know if it's still like this). I equate the Nexus phones to a custom built pc running straight windows, which you can add the software that only you like and use.

Ok, I just went off on a Nexus/geek fanboy tangent LOL! Everyone has their own personal likes and dislikes.

It's not like that but whatever.... Nexus is nowhere like a custom built Pc.... If anything it's a dry empty wasteland barren of any features but bare bone to allow it to work. While I like stock Android I find it bland and very boring.

Note 4 has a great camera and camera is important because I already am carrying keys, a wallet, pair of earphones, gum usually and change so I don't want to add a point and shoot in my pocket so I require a good camera phone.

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[Adranalyne]

Re: It's a typical Nexus phone, full of compromises

I find it highly entertaining that people are saying what all is wrong with the device and pointing out all the flaws we are just going to accept and live with when outside of a very select group of people given demo units to review... No one knows any facts... Reviews range from full of compromise and marginally good to not too bad and amazing device in every way... I've read at least a dozen reviews today... I won't know until I have it....

EVERY device has flaws and draw backs.. No device is perfect.... that is why MFG's are always making adjustments to software, hardware and design... Using different materials and playing with sizes and features... our taste changes..... As one review I read said... Remember the 4.3 inc HTC EVO 4G was too big and now that is a tiny phone in comparison to today...

Because it's no different than last year. Same battery issues they haven't fixed, same camera issues, same launch issues, etc. I predicted almost exactly what these reviews were going to say because Google hasn't changed their approach; they've made it worse. I was a tad surprised that the display was as poorly calibrated as it appears to be, but I guess that's just another issue to add to the list.

There's some software issues they'll probably fix, but there's going to be a lot that they don't. Their Nexus line is aimlessly thrown out like some uninspired device that expects acclaim because of the name on the back. I'd buy it for $350. I'll laugh at it for $650.

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[UJ95x]

Re: Ars Technica: Nexus 6 Review - The “premium” price still comes with compromises

So I wonder if the slow storage is really the hardware or the fact that lollipop does encryption by default and it's a software optimization issue. Really hoping it's a software issue and not hardware. That's the one thing out of all the reviews that has me a little concerned.

It's the encryption. The SD805 (and any ARM-v7A CPU) does not have SHA hashing or AES decryption instructions.

 

[Robbie317]

I'm not paying $700 including taxes and shipping to do my own ...and no amount of software will help the nexus 6 camera ....


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Software can make a major difference in the quality of the pictures your taking... We've seen plenty of phones use the same camera hardware and different software and get a very vast difference in picture taking ability...

"The good news is that Android Lollipop also exposes the Camera API for the first time, which means this all could get better. Camera app developers now have access to RAW image formats, as well as settings like exposure time and ISO sensitivity. "

 

[Closingracer]

Re: Anybody else disappointed with screen battery life and camera ?

One web article I read attributed the delay in rolling out lollipop to a battery drain bug affecting the nexus 5. If that was accurate, it's not a stretch to conclude that whatever that problem stemmed from could have had some impact on the 6 as well. It's almost a certainty that the reviews we're reading today were for an older version, so their conclusions should be taken with a healthy tablespoon of salt, and the expectation that what were seeing is only a worst-case scenario, with a definite possibility of improvements in many areas (e.g., battery life # crashing, camera performance).

No amount of updates will upgrade camera performance to make a difference. If your coming from a nexus 5 I say yes this an upgrade but if your coming from like a note 4, even an iPhone 6 I wouldn't bother if camera is a factor

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[Closingracer]

Software can make a major difference in the quality of the pictures your taking... We've seen plenty of phones use the same camera hardware and different software and get a very vast difference in picture taking ability...

"The good news is that Android Lollipop also exposes the Camera API for the first time, which means this all could get better. Camera app developers now have access to RAW image formats, as well as settings like exposure time and ISO sensitivity. "

As I said before no amount of updates will EVER fix the nexus 6 camera.... Yes software is a factor but I will Alnost guarantee it won't be any difference with the nexus 6. I also am not going to download a 3rd party camera app because I'm not going to trust it ever and B if I need to I'm not going to buy a phone that requires me to



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[gabbott]

Re: It's a typical Nexus phone, full of compromises

Shrug, I can't wait for mine to arrive next week. None of the reviews I've read bring out any show stoppers for me. Some of what are in the reviews is just opinion anyway.

The only thing that had me a little nervous was the review that tested the memory that was possibly indicating slow memory was used. However someone ran similar tests on a nexus 5 both with kit Kat and lollipop and found it was related to lollipop. I can live with things that can be fixed/optimized with software. It's a nexus. You get the newest software and along with that sometimes comes living with not having mature software being on the bleeding edge.

I'm very excited to get one to try. At the very worst, I send it back to Motorola.

 

[Crispy]

Re: It's a typical Nexus phone, full of compromises

I find it highly entertaining that people are saying what all is wrong with the device and pointing out all the flaws we are just going to accept and live with when outside of a very select group of people given demo units to review... No one knows any facts... Reviews range from full of compromise and marginally good to not too bad and amazing device in every way... I've read at least a dozen reviews today... I won't know until I have it....

EVERY device has flaws and draw backs.. No device is perfect.... that is why MFG's are always making adjustments to software, hardware and design... Using different materials and playing with sizes and features... our taste changes..... As one review I read said... Remember the 4.3 inc HTC EVO 4G was too big and now that is a tiny phone in comparison to today...

Software can't fix hardware issues -

- panel is an older gen AMOLED with very low brightness and poor color calibration
- cpu has no ARM v8 which means no AES support

I have also read a lot of reviews and they all say the same thing - its the best Nexus ever made. No one says its the best phone, and they all mention a bunch of compromises made with the battery life, screen, sensitivity of wakeup/ambient display etc etc.

What I find ironic is people willing to excuse any flaw as long as its a Nexus. It's the same story every year, and this time it was supposed to be a no compromise Nexus, wasn't it?

 

[Robbie317]

Re: It's a typical Nexus phone, full of compromises

Because it's no different than last year. Same battery issues they haven't fixed, same camera issues, same launch issues, etc. I predicted almost exactly what these reviews were going to say because Google hasn't changed their approach; they've made it worse. I was a tad surprised that the display was as poorly calibrated as it appears to be, but I guess that's just another issue to add to the list.

There's some software issues they'll probably fix, but there's going to be a lot that they don't. Their Nexus line is aimlessly thrown out like some uninspired device that expects acclaim because of the name on the back. I'd buy it for $350. I'll laugh at it for $650.

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Again zero evidence to back any of it up.... Gizmodo loved it and gave it glowing reviews on almost everything.... ARS Tech of course wast he complete opposite... You don't have one and you are 110% certain someone elses opinion in a early review after two weeks of use with what is probably buggy early build software is the nail in the coffin for you...

Which is fine.... It's not your cup of tea.... It'll probably be top 5 Android smart phone for 2014.... Maybe top 3... Depends on who's ranking you go by.... Some will have it top 3 and some will have it further down.....

I don't know yet... I've been happy with my Nexus 5 and I'll test out the Nexus 6 and make a decision on my own... I wanted a bigger screen phone.... Still intrigued about the Note 4.... Samsung has put out great phones.... I had a GS3 before the Nexus 5.... The consensus of reviews I've read is that it's a pretty darn good phone....

 

[Joe the Insider]

Re: It's a typical Nexus phone, full of compromises

I'll hands down be getting this phone. It's gotten great reviews except by 1 or 2 people.

You people need to form your own opinion.

 

[Adranalyne]

Re: It's a typical Nexus phone, full of compromises

Shrug, I can't wait for mine to arrive next week. None of the reviews I've read bring out any show stoppers for me. Some of what are in the reviews is just opinion anyway.

The only thing that had me a little nervous was the review that tested the memory that was possibly indicating slow memory was used. However someone ran similar tests on a nexus 5 both with kit Kat and lollipop and found it was related to lollipop. I can live with things that can be fixed/optimized with software. It's a nexus. You get the newest software and along with that sometimes comes living with not having mature software being on the bleeding edge.

I'm very excited to get one to try. At the very worst, I send it back to Motorola.

Sounds like you acknowledge the issues, but want it anyways. Nothing wrong with that. It's not like its some unusable piece of garbage. Hope you like it.

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[Joe the Insider]

Re: It's a typical Nexus phone, full of compromises

Because it's no different than last year. Same battery issues they haven't fixed, same camera issues, same launch issues, etc. I predicted almost exactly what these reviews were going to say because Google hasn't changed their approach; they've made it worse. I was a tad surprised that the display was as poorly calibrated as it appears to be, but I guess that's just another issue to add to the list.

There's some software issues they'll probably fix, but there's going to be a lot that they don't. Their Nexus line is aimlessly thrown out like some uninspired device that expects acclaim because of the name on the back. I'd buy it for $350. I'll laugh at it for $650.

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Battery and camera are good, so I don't know what issues you're talking about.

 

[Joe the Insider]

Re: Anybody else disappointed with screen battery life and camera ?

I've heard that the battery and camera are good, ONE reviewer said it wasn't while many others said easily a full day and the best camera on the Nexus line.

 

[Crispy]

Re: It's a typical Nexus phone, full of compromises

I'll hands down be getting this phone. It's gotten great reviews except by 1 or 2 people.

You people need to form your own opinion.

I agree. But what concerns me is 2 of the most technically sound & thorough sites, Ars and Anand, gave it bad reviews. Sites like Verge, Gizmodo and most of the others are fluff to be honest with no real in-depth testing.

I'm actually waiting for European site reviews which tend to be really thorough.