Google Pixel vs Note 7 vs iPhone 7 Display Accuracy

I think you're missing a important point here. The two websites agree with each other, within acceptable margins that account for different equipment, on their measurements. They both show the iPhone 7 to be better across the board. It's a couple of people that don't trust the results or latch on to one number, out of a huge range offered, and ignore the context and all the other measurements, that aren't understanding the results.
They don't agree with each other. 577 is not 1,048.
 
There is no way that Displaymate was off the mark by 471 nits. By the way, your question could be posed to those who are disagreeing with me as well

Aquila showed how they both agree thought so -- Are they both wrong then?
 
Their business model does not imply that they are unethical nor does Anandtech's business model show that they are ethical.

You went from assumptions about Displaymate to assumptions about the Note 7

Displaymate makes money by selling calibration tools and services.

Anandtech makes money by selling ads, which is kept separate from editorial content (I know this to be a fact).


What assumptions about the Note 7? My .01 second comment? I clearly came up with that out of thin air as an example of WHY they need to explain the range they gave for max boost brightness.
 
They don't agree with each other. 577 is not 1,048.

Do you agree that 577 is greater than 569 and less than 1048? If not, conversation is over.

569 < 577 < 1048 = true

Do you agree that the absolute value of the difference between 569 and 577 is less than the absolute value of the difference between 577 and 1048? If not, conversation over.

|569 - 577| < |1048 - 577| = true

If you answered yes twice, then logic dictates that you agree with my argument here: http://forums.androidcentral.com/go...-iphone-7-display-accuracy-2.html#post5490004. If not, then this isn't a logical conversation comparing measurements, it becomes an argument of opinions and I'm going to refuse to participate.
 
Aquila showed how they both agree thought so -- Are they both wrong then?

He didn't show how they both agree. He showed his mental gymnastics in order to reach a conclusion he pre-determined.

Peak brightness of an iPhone is 705 nits. Peak brightness of a Note 7 is 1,048 nits.
 
All of that said, even if we all agree to disagree on the brightness - though I'm not sure how that's possible, since it's just math - we'd still have to agree that every other aspect of display accuracy went to the iPhone 7.
 
Do you agree that 577 is greater than 569 and less than 1048? If not, conversation is over.

569 < 577 < 1048 = true

Do you agree that the absolute value of the difference between 569 and 577 is less than the absolute value of the difference between 577 and 1048? If not, conversation over.

|569 - 577| < |1048 - 577| = true

If you answered yes twice, then logic dictates that you agree with my argument here: http://forums.androidcentral.com/go...-iphone-7-display-accuracy-2.html#post5490004. If not, then this isn't a logical conversation comparing measurements, it becomes an argument of opinions and I'm going to refuse to participate.
Do you agree that 1,048 is a larger number than 705?
 
Peak brightness of an iPhone is 705 nits. Peak brightness of a Note 7 is 1,048 nits.

So is this a discussion on "Which one is brighter" or "Which is better"? It seems you're just talking brightness and saying that makes it better.
 
Re: iPhone vs Pixel XL...

iPhone has the new best screen on a smartphone, Pixel has the new best camera on a smartphone. What do you like about each?

IPhone??? Best screen on a smartphone?????
Are you high???
Not even close... Note 7, S7 edge
Have way better screens.
The iPhone 7 Plus is not even in the same class... Side to side it's not even fair
 
All of that said, even if we all agree to disagree on the brightness - though I'm not sure how that's possible, since it's just math - we'd still have to agree that every other aspect of display accuracy went to the iPhone 7.

Yep. The question of "is brightness the best measure of display quality" was conveniently ignored because the answer is NO.
 
Displaymate makes money by selling calibration tools and services.

Anandtech makes money by selling ads, which is kept separate from editorial content (I know this to be a fact).


What assumptions about the Note 7? My .01 second comment? I clearly came up with that out of thin air as an example of WHY they need to explain the range they gave for max boost brightness.
Again, their business model is irrelevant unless you are accusing them of being unethical and lying to people about their findings which there is no evidence of.

All of that said, even if we all agree to disagree on the brightness - though I'm not sure how that's possible, since it's just math - we'd still have to agree that every other aspect of display accuracy went to the iPhone 7.
Color accuracy is one component. The Note 7 display is better because it leads in more categories than the iPhone 7 while also being nearly on par in the areas where it isn't the leader.

So is this a discussion on "Which one is brighter" or "Which is better"? It seems you're just talking brightness and saying that makes it better.
I said that the Anandtech review was suspect because it was way off on brightness so that is why the brightness was brought up. The Note 7 display is better than the iPhone 7 display.
 
Re: iPhone vs Pixel XL...

IPhone??? Best screen on a smartphone?????
Are you high???
Not even close... Note 7, S7 edge
Have way better screens.
The iPhone 7 Plus is not even in the same class... Side to side it's not even fair

What's your criteria for best screen? I'm talking about objectively measured to be the best display panel that's been put on a phone but if you're talking about which one you like the most, then we could just be talking about two different things.
 
Maybe this argument can be settled when the phone actually hits the shelves? That or a back alley bar fight.
 
Again, their business model is irrelevant unless you are accusing them of being unethical and lying to people about their findings which there is no evidence of.


Color accuracy is one component. The Note 7 display is better because it leads in more categories than the iPhone 7 while also being nearly on par in the areas where it isn't the leader.


I said that the Anandtech review was suspect because it was way off on brightness so that is why the brightness was brought up. The Note 7 display is better than the iPhone 7 display.

Business model is perfectly relevant. Chance for being unethical is higher. I don't need evidence of them doing it. It means that I will give the benefit of the doubt to a publication with a long history of accurate display measurements that has less chance of being unethical because of their business model.

The differences in measurement between the too is easy to explain, they use different equipment. I haven't seen you acknowledge that point yet (though I may have just missed it). They are likely both equally accurate measurements of the display, but when the results don't line up the way we would expect them to I will trust the site that has less "skin in the game" when it comes to their business model affecting their editorial content.

This has nothing to do with credentials. It doesn't take a degree in theoretical physics to interpret a chart.

Please list the other categories in which the Note 7 leads the iPhone 7.
 
Maybe this argument can be settled when the phone actually hits the shelves? That or a back alley bar fight.

True, we will have to wait for anand to do measurements on the Pixel before we know how it compares officially to the other two. Since we got so sidetracked on brightness - the Pixel isn't going to win on that point, but we'll see how it does on color accuracy, etc.
 
Displaymate makes money by selling calibration tools and services.

Anandtech makes money by selling ads, which is kept separate from editorial content (I know this to be a fact).


What assumptions about the Note 7? My .01 second comment? I clearly came up with that out of thin air as an example of WHY they need to explain the range they gave for max boost brightness.

All of that said, even if we all agree to disagree on the brightness - though I'm not sure how that's possible, since it's just math - we'd still have to agree that every other aspect of display accuracy went to the iPhone 7.

Business model is perfectly relevant. Chance for being unethical is higher. I don't need evidence of them doing it. It means that I will give the benefit of the doubt to a publication with a long history of accurate display measurements that has less chance of being unethical because of their business model.

The differences in measurement between the too is easy to explain, they use different equipment. I haven't seen you acknowledge that point yet (though I may have just missed it). They are likely both equally accurate measurements of the display, but when the results don't line up the way we would expect them to I will trust the site that has less "skin in the game" when it comes to their business model affecting their editorial content.

This has nothing to do with credentials. It doesn't take a degree in theoretical physics to interpret a chart.

Please list the other categories in which the Note 7 leads the iPhone 7.
Displaymate is a more legitimate source of information on displays than Anandtech. Their business model does not mean they are lying to people about their smartphone displays.

The Note 7 display has a higher resolution, higher brightness, great color accuracy, it is more efficient relatively speaking, and the tech allows for Always On Displays.
 
but when the results don't line up the way we would expect them to

Part of it is due to display mate using 3 different ways that it measured the device. So for max slider brightness, they list 410, 478, 523 and 600. The 410 is the closest approximation to the test that Anand runs (for which they list 359). That's a big difference, but you can see they're the closest to each other and the description of that value on display mate is, "This is the Brightness for a screen that is entirely all white with 100% Average Picture Level." The others are all reductions of average picture level.

So for this purpose ^^ the 410 value and 359 are measuring the same thing, and display mate shows it 14% brighter than what Anand displays.

Now, let's not forget that display had one test where they listed 600. That's a 46% increase over the 410 on the mode that we'd be calling an equivalent test to Anand's. Keep a hold of this point somewhere.

So when they find a range of max auto brightness, they provide a range. Between 569 and 1048. This range is accounted for because there is more than one test being conducted, as indicated above, and it means that the smallest of those, 569, is what we would expect with a "screen that is entirely all white with 100% Average Picture Level". Which is what Anand's measuring. And they came up with 577. Wow, that's only a 2% difference. That's why I believe they measured the same thing.

So why is 1048 listed? Because the peak measurement under which this range was created is "a screen that has only a tiny 1% Average Picture Level". In otherwords, almost nothing is happening except a tiny number of pixels going nuts.

But there is a more important statement on the display mate page that clues us in to something. "For 100% Full Screen White the Galaxy Note 7 is 2% Brighter" (than the Note 5). Well let's find out if Anand agrees. Anand shows the Note 5 at 566 and the Note 7 at 577. That's 1.94% different. Are we all comfortable rounding that to 2%?

TLDR

When used the way people use phones, on auto brightness in the brightest ambient light, the Note 7 is going to peak somewhere around 569 nits. Anand calls it 577. This data is corroborated by the similarities in the two sources listed above. Under extremely unreal conditions, it can light up a tiny number of pixels SUPER bright - but that's not what users will ever experience. It's about 2% brighter than the Note 5 in automatic mode.

And the iPhone 7 is about 22% brighter than that in automatic mode.
 
There seems to be a lot of back and forth about the Note 7 and iPhone 7 on the Google Pixel sub forum... Also, can we start referring to the Note 7 in past tense?
 
Re: iPhone vs Pixel XL...

Well, technically that is your opinion, not a fact. On paper, the Pixel XL screen wins on specs alone:
Google Pixel XL: 5.5in 2560x1440, 534ppi
iPhone 7 Plus: 5.5in 1920x1080 at 401ppi

Some people prefer AMOLED, some the LED backlit of the iPhone 7. Both are great.

Both camera's are excellent, and won't disappoint.

IMO, the choice comes down to OS and integration. Personally, I prefer Android, and all of the new features Google is offering with this new phone. Unlimited full-res storage, Google Assistant, and all the other google apps.

Coming from a Note 3, you will likely acclimate to the Pixel XL faster than you would the iPhone.

DisplayMate makes it fact that the iPhone has the best lcd display on any smart phone. Until the Pixel is tested, you can't say it's better.
 
No, but the Note 7 has better contrast, better brightness, and a higher resolution while also being comparable to the iPhone 7 in any other metric.



What I said is not wrong. I linked to Displaymate's review of the iPhone 7 display - Anandtech is wrong.

The Note 7 didn't just disappear. People still own it and the product was sold so it is still fair game. We do it all the time for other products.

No sir, you are wrong. I've owned both and have seen other tests that had a real tester testing both phones and they also came up with the new iphone being the better display. Its on youtube if you search.

The Note 7 has a great screen, and yes it does have higher resolution but higher resolution on a smaller screen doesn't matter if the screen quality is not that good. The iPhone has better quality for it's screen and what went into it. If you look at both very close with a magnifying glass, you will see it is hard to see the pixels on the iPhone where you can see them on the Note 7 easily.
 

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