Google Pixels are NOT Samsung or Apple

[Mr Segundus]

It seems like you have a grudge or vendetta against Google or something. All of your post in various threads is all negative posts about the Pixel 4 phones. Do you own the Pixel 4/Pixel 4 XL? You said the battery is "average" at best. So I was just wondering if you did or didn't actually own a Pixel 4/XL

I know with my Pixel 4 XL, my battery is not average. In fact, I get better battery life than I did with both my Galaxy S10+ and Note 10+. The only device that beats my Pixel 4 XL in battery life is my iPhone 11 Pro and that isn't even by much.

Like one other poster said, everyone uses their phones differently which would also result in various battery results for everyone. If we bought a car that was getting 10 mpg and you drove more often than I did, you would have to stop for gas at much faster rate than I. Same scenario with phones. If you're gaming, watching movies etc on your phone or just got a lot more things going on (power user) and I only check my email, check the net, send a few text messages etc. my battery would last longer than yours on one charge.

Then you're talking about the excuses for crappy battery life. There's no excuses. I have used A LOT of phones and not one has lasted me all day. And if my battery gets low, I plug it in. It's nothing wrong with that. Are people that lazy that they can't charge their phones up for 10-15 minutes to give it a little juice?

With all the hate you're saying about the pixel 4/4 xl, I would think and hope that you DO own one. That way you can honestly back up what you're saying about the average battery life and every other negative thing you said it .. lol

Valid criticism =/= grudge against Google. I know how many of you fall in love with a particular brand, but love is blinding. All reviewers have said battery life is average at best. That's fact.

 

[Mr Segundus]

If you find the Pixels' battery life as reported as "crappy" then there's scarcely any phones out there that you could realistically call good, and none great. To your point about the size, people shouldn't care about battery size, despite their being so ill-advised and miseducated by tech/youtube reviews/misguided forum dwellers. They care about battery life, and, more pointedly, having sufficient battery life.

Your application of the analogy is horribly faulty. Let's look at a better analogy, as that one applies poorly given gallon cost, etc, and we're talking user experience.

Let's say you are looking to buy an electric car. Every night when you get home, it charges, and is fully fueled the next morning. Now, for the sake of argument, let's say the average person normally drives between 200-250 miles per day. The Tesla has an estimated range of 300 miles, so every single day you have more than enough to cover your needs without seeking out a charging station. If you do find you'll need to recharge because for whatever reason you're traveling much more extensively that day, there are, for purposes of analogy, charging stations virtually everywhere, and option inexpensively and easily available that can even charge while you drive, providing substantive charge in mere minutes.

Another company has a competing electric car with a 350 mile range. It too covers your normal needs, and can go a bit further on busy days, but will, all the same, can absolutely need a recharge.

Both cars have a wide range of common features, and each also has their own set that the other doesn't offer, or in some cases doesn't offer as well. If the typical consumer prefers the feature set of the first greatly over the second, and knows that it is more realistic that the first will actually continue to improve more over a longer time as it is guaranteed 3 years of software updates that can actually enhance everything from speed to range to general quality of life, and the competitor has no such guarantee, it seems pretty silly to think it unreasonable for the average consumer to complain about the battery life being average if it nearly ever inconveniences them (and when it could, it's ridiculously easy to manage) when there are so many other benefits they will personally reap by opting for that car.

What you call 'crappy' the vast, vast majority of people will call 'fine' when they get the other features they value. Extra battery life beyond what one realistically needs in a day is a seldom-enjoyed luxury, while the other features can be of benefit every single day.

My analogy was apt. If I'm going to spend $1K on a phone, it damn well have great battery life. The mental gymnastics some of you go through to justify your purchases and the sub-par battery life is astounding.

 

[Wiley_11]

All reviewers have said battery life is average at best. That's opinion.

Fixed it for you.

 

[bhatech]

Haha lol it’s not controversial, It’s a fantastic phone.

May I ask, what does the pixel 4 offer more in terms of experience vs the pixel 3a XL if specs aren’t everything? Genuine question.

No probs, they look and feel the same in terms of UI. Processor is one of the most important parts of a phone and that does matter to me. If Pixel 4 was running SD 845/SD 660 instead of SD 855 then it would have mattered little bit more for ME than 6 GB vs 8 GB RAM or 3700 mAh vs 4000 mAh. Again, it might have still not bothered someone else but having the current generation processor is important criteria for me over RAM and some other specs. Before someone comments it has SD 855 not 855+, 855+ doesn't have any silicone level improvements other than it's just overclock CPU and GPU. That's why I'm fine with Note 10 launching with SD 855 and same with Pixel 4 launching with SD 855. They still belong to the same family SD 855 just differently clocked which isn't big deal to me.

The Pixel 3a does have a mid range processor and it shows up in terms of multitasking and navigating thru apps, camera performance in terms of how long it takes to process photos etc. It's noteceable when I run 3a and 4 next to each other and if you are used to flagship phones. And then there are the usual hardware difference like wireless charging, water resistance and few other stuff.

But when I run my Pixel 4 and 7T which has over clocked 855+, more RAM etc it feels same in terms of performance. Don't have the Note 10+ now since I sold it couple of weeks back but it didn't perform any better than Pixel 4 even though it had 12 GB RAM. I will grant you that 12 GB RAM can hold more apps in memory than 6 GB. Well duh no arguments there and if they are making use of it properly to indeed do that, it may be an important criteria in buying for someone who values that.

If you use 3a as standalone it's perfectly fine. Same way, why buy Note 10+ or S10+ when you can get A90 or many other great Samsung phones for much less. They still perform fine and have the same One UI experience but it'll show up when you start comparing them side by side, plus additional features.

I'm not here to make an argument Pixel 4 is a better value compared to 3a or some other phone. Only whoever is buying can make that decision. But there is a difference in experience for me when using the phone and I'm perfectly fine paying up for that. Pixel 3a is probably one of the best phones of year and will work great for most people but for me it can't be my daily driver since there was a better experience in Pixel 3 and now in Pixel 4 and I'm ok paying up for that.

 

[mustang7757]

Those battery life tests are as silly as speed tests, drop tests etc. Nobody uses their phones as the do in those tests.

Very true , that's why I was trying to explain real life scenario

 

[barondebxl]

No probs, they look and feel the same in terms of UI. Processor is one of the most important parts of a phone and that does matter to me. If Pixel 4 was running SD 845/SD 660 instead of SD 855 then it would have mattered little bit more for ME than 6 GB vs 8 GB RAM or 3700 mAh vs 4000 mAh. Again, it might have still not bothered someone else but having the current generation processor is important criteria for me over RAM and some other specs. Before someone comments it has SD 855 not 855+, 855+ doesn't have any silicone level improvements other than it's just overclock CPU and GPU. That's why I'm fine with Note 10 launching with SD 855 and same with Pixel 4 launching with SD 855. They still belong to the same family SD 855 just differently clocked which isn't big deal to me.

The Pixel 3a does have a mid range processor and it shows up in terms of multitasking and navigating thru apps, camera performance in terms of how long it takes to process photos etc. It's noteceable when I run 3a and 4 next to each other and if you are used to flagship phones. And then there are the usual hardware difference like wireless charging, water resistance and few other stuff.

But when I run my Pixel 4 and 7T which has over clocked 855+, more RAM etc it feels same in terms of performance. Don't have the Note 10+ now since I sold it couple of weeks back but it didn't perform any better than Pixel 4 even though it had 12 GB RAM. I will grant you that 12 GB RAM can hold more apps in memory than 6 GB. Well duh no arguments there and if they are making use of it properly to indeed do that, it may be an important criteria in buying for someone who values that.

If you use 3a as standalone it's perfectly fine. Same way, why buy Note 10+ or S10+ when you can get A90 or many other great Samsung phones for much less. They still perform fine and have the same One UI experience but it'll show up when you start comparing them side by side, plus additional features.

I'm not here to make an argument Pixel 4 is a better value compared to 3a or some other phone. Only whoever is buying can make that decision. But there is a difference in experience for me when using the phone and I'm perfectly fine paying up for that. Pixel 3a is probably one of the best phones of year and will work great for most people but for me it can't be my daily driver since there was a better experience in Pixel 3 and now in Pixel 4 and I'm ok paying up for that.

I asked because I hear a lot of ppl saying specs don’t matter or that they don’t tell the whole story. Uh yes they do lol.

 

[barondebxl]

My analogy was apt. If I'm going to spend $1K on a phone, it damn well have great battery life. The mental gymnastics some of you go through to justify your purchases and the sub-par battery life is astounding.

This. It’s that simple. I hate repeating myself but I think the pixel 4xl would have been the phone to get had they put a bigger battery and a brighter display. Personally I can forgive the wide angle but adding it would have put the pixel on top of all other android phones, again in my opinion. So a bigger battery, a screen that can be brighter and a wide angle camera would have made this to me the best android phone. And those add ons are nothing complicated but would have tremendously enhanced the experience and made the phone more complete. I just feel like they dropped the ball.

 

[bhatech]

My analogy was apt. If I'm going to spend $1K on a phone, it damn well have great battery life. The mental gymnastics some of you go through to justify your purchases and the sub-par battery life is astounding.

I'm with you and agree that a bigger battery would have been great and you won't get any arguments from me on that. But I'll also say the amount of effort some have been putting to invalidate someone else's purchase and decisions is also astounding

Heck I'll be moving to next set of phones starting with S11 in Feb so I don't have to justify any purchase

 

[delta7]

It seems there are a handful of posters who appear with each new Pixel release and persist in declaring here, as some kind of established "fact" on which anyone with good sense ought to agree, that the Google Pixel is overpriced and inferior to the latest Samsung or iPhone or whatever brand because those devices have a larger battery, and larger storage capacity, and more camera lenses, etc. They remind me of people who dine at a Michelin-starred restaurant, then post a review online in which they complain because the portions were too small.

Why is it so difficult for these folks to comprehend that some people simply do not equate "more" with "better"? The choice of a phone, like any consumer decision, ought to be a matter of individual preference; and many individuals value the quality of their particular user experience with a Pixel device over the ability to get an extra hour or two out of their battery, or to take wide-angle photos, or to store more videos and movies.

If your idea of best value is obtaining maximum quantity for the lowest price, then just bypass the gourmet restaurant and pull in at the all-you-can-eat buffet. And even if you think the people who opt for the gourmet restaurant are stupid to pay more while settling for a lesser quantity, is it really necessary to rag incessantly on them for having a different basis of evaluation?

The only established "fact" is that people have different preferences in phones because they have differing wants, needs, and usage patterns for their devices. More importantly, they have the right to weigh the importance of quality versus quantity relative to price because it's their money. When someone doesn't agree with your opinions or the choices you make, that doesn't make them "wrong."

If this was true you wouldn't have racism at all since everyone would be seen by the goodness of their heart rather than other areas such as skin color or money or education. This really doesn't have a leg to stand on since from the smartphone phrase came to America we've judged phones based on value and cost and what's in the phone and what can it do.

With that said when you line up a Pixel to a Samsung (I will leave iPhone out of it for now) the value simply isn't there. On top of that Pixels seem to lose value a little quicker than samsungs by looking at swappa and other sites. Pixels are bared boned android phone sprinkled in with a few new features that are great on paper but seem to lose value since most of their users don't discuss them past a few months. (Call screening) since people hear that automated voice and will hang up before they go through with answering those questions.

It's no reason not to add a wide-area camera, not when APPLE did it this year on a 700 dollar phone with 720 screens. Google should have added it, no reason for a dimmer screen and no reason for 64 gigs based storage with an android phone when Samsung is 128 this year and Oneplus is 128 I think.

Google just got lazy and it shows that they don't really concern themselves much for sale because that's a cop-out to even try to debate that, google is just not interested in competiting with Samsung or any other android maker.

Pixel is a development phone (gestures) IMO, it's a phone that other carriers will probably test its features to eventually add on their phones, I expect an s11 with no FPS just FaceID like Google come April.

Look, it's not to bash the phone but pixels are like this every year and google makes excuses and die-hard pixel fans get defensive but the phone isn't worth the money period.. bottom line.

Iphones can get updates for 5 years and the base model is 700 bucks with 64 gigs storage, Apple has better quality apps so it makes sense to skimp on storage and charge more. NO SENSE for PIXEL to do that, at least Samsung gives you the SD with the exception of the Note 10 small which comes with 256GIGS.

It's just inexcusable IMO and Google does this every year.

 

[cardboard60]

This. It’s that simple. I hate repeating myself but I think the pixel 4xl would have been the phone to get had they put a bigger battery and a brighter display. Personally I can forgive the wide angle but adding it would have put the pixel on top of all other android phones, again in my opinion. So a bigger battery, a screen that can be brighter and a wide angle camera would have made this to me the best android phone. And those add ons are nothing complicated but would have tremendously enhanced the experience and made the phone more complete. I just feel like they dropped the ball.

People every yr keep saying.
Why didnt pixel add more Hdw.
What the heck.

 

[cardboard60]

If this was true you wouldn't have racism at all since everyone would be seen by the goodness of their heart rather than other areas such as skin color or money or education. This really doesn't have a leg to stand on since from the smartphone phrase came to America we've judged phones based on value and cost and what's in the phone and what can it do.

With that said when you line up a Pixel to a Samsung (I will leave iPhone out of it for now) the value simply isn't there. On top of that Pixels seem to lose value a little quicker than samsungs by looking at swappa and other sites. Pixels are bared boned android phone sprinkled in with a few new features that are great on paper but seem to lose value since most of their users don't discuss them past a few months. (Call screening) since people hear that automated voice and will hang up before they go through with answering those questions.

It's no reason not to add a wide-area camera, not when APPLE did it this year on a 700 dollar phone with 720 screens. Google should have added it, no reason for a dimmer screen and no reason for 64 gigs based storage with an android phone when Samsung is 128 this year and Oneplus is 128 I think.

Google just got lazy and it shows that they don't really concern themselves much for sale because that's a cop-out to even try to debate that, google is just not interested in competiting with Samsung or any other android maker.

Pixel is a development phone (gestures) IMO, it's a phone that other carriers will probably test its features to eventually add on their phones, I expect an s11 with no FPS just FaceID like Google come April.

Look, it's not to bash the phone but pixels are like this every year and google makes excuses and die-hard pixel fans get defensive but the phone isn't worth the money period.. bottom line.

Iphones can get updates for 5 years and the base model is 700 bucks with 64 gigs storage, Apple has better quality apps so it makes sense to skimp on storage and charge more. NO SENSE for PIXEL to do that, at least Samsung gives you the SD with the exception of the Note 10 small which comes with 256GIGS.

It's just inexcusable IMO and Google does this every year.

Look at what pixel owners paid for.

Not big enough of battery.
Not enough storage.
Not enough ram.
A screen that's not bright enough
No fps.

But you paid more.

And then you sit up and defend google not building a phone correctly.

And you feel good you paid 900.00 for the phone was a good deal.

We cant understand your reasoning.

As long as people keep doing what you have done.

Mfg are gonna try to give us less and charge more.

Mfg should be working to get our business.

 

[Mike Dee]

It's Ohm's law. P=IE. Your using a known P/battery and a known E/voltage and calculating an unknown/variable I/amperage to give you the amount of time to deplete the battery. Pretty basic stuff really, so the only thing silly is your comment.

In a strictly controlled test situation yes. In these tests, not so much.

 

[anon(10641352)]

Look at what pixel owners paid for.

Not big enough of battery.
Not enough storage.
Not enough ram.
A screen that's not bright enough
No fps.

But you paid more.

And then you sit up and defend google not building a phone correctly.

And you feel good you paid 900.00 for the phone was a good deal.

We cant understand your reasoning.

As long as people keep doing what you have done.

Mfg are gonna try to give us less and charge more.

Mfg should be working to get our business.

Not enough battery for who? It's enough for me.

Not enough storage for who? It's enough for me.

Not enough RAM for who? It's enough for me.

Not bright enough for who? It's enough for me.

I don't really video anything so the FPS don't matter to me

Just because it's not enough for you doesn't mean it's not enough for someone else. Why is it hard to understand that not everyone has the same needs it wants as you do?

 

[cardboard60]

Not enough battery for who? It's enough for me.

Not enough storage for who? It's enough for me.

Not enough RAM for who? It's enough for me.

Not bright enough for who? It's enough for me.

I don't really video anything so the FPS don't matter to me

Just because it's not enough for you doesn't mean it's not enough for someone else. Why is it hard to understand that not everyone has the same needs it wants as you do?

Not enough battery for ME.

I count.

 

[Mike Dee]

Fixed it for you.

Lol

 

[anon(10641352)]

Not enough battery for ME.

I count.

You only count for yourself

 

[Mike Dee]

Look at what pixel owners paid for.

Not big enough of battery.
Not enough storage.
Not enough ram.
A screen that's not bright enough
No fps.

But you paid more.

And then you sit up and defend google not building a phone correctly.

And you feel good you paid 900.00 for the phone was a good deal.

We cant understand your reasoning.

As long as people keep doing what you have done.

Mfg are gonna try to give us less and charge more.

Mfg should be working to get our business.

I didn't buy a Pixel 4 and I disagree. What's wrong with letting people like what they like. They see the value in it so that's good enough. I decided not to get one, not because of price, but because it's not offering anything I need that I don't already have.

 

[SwitchBoardDj]

Valid criticism =/= grudge against Google. I know how many of you fall in love with a particular brand, but love is blinding. All reviewers have said battery life is average at best. That's fact.

And Just like ALL Reviewers put the battery through the mud. Most normal people that own the Pixel isn’t trying to do that. They mostly want the phone to work for them and a battery to last.

Which I got, yesterday with my battery life and again today so far. I have no complaints.

I can’t believe that people honestly put 100% of their trust into these Reviews and Reviewers. I wouldn’t never let somebody on youtube decide if I buy something or not. Especially when it comes to electronics. I would take what they said into consideration. But them being my deciding factor .... hell no.

 

[bhatech]

I didn't buy a Pixel 4 and I disagree. What's wrong with letting people like what they like. They see the value in it so that's good enough. I decided not to get one, not because of price, but because it's not offering anything I need that I don't already have.

Get out of this thread, you sound too reasonable

 

[barondebxl]

People every yr keep saying.
Why didnt pixel add more Hdw.
What the heck.

Maybe it’s time for google to listen and for you to relax.