How many have canceled pre-orders for the Pixel 2 XL?

[Zendroid1]

I hope that the narrative is a that they were too hard to get and not that Google went the more inexpensive route.

I suspect the "Pixel 2 XL screen troubles" narrative will disappear to the back pages on November 3rd when the inability to get an iPhone X before Christmas becomes all the rage.

The only reason I think this is because they used Samsung in the smaller Pixel 2 and not LG.

 

[vansmack]

The only reason I think this is because they used Samsung in the smaller Pixel 2 and not LG.

Correct. And Apple used LG LCD's until the iPhone X and sourced Samsung OLED's.

Was Google outbid and cut out of supply? Or did they not want to pony up the dollars?

Hence the predicament we're in now....

 

[Aquila]

I am looking at:

Razer Blade Pro (1060 FHD version)
Razer Blade (14")
MacBook Pro (15" newest version)
Dell XPS 15 (newest version)
Surface Book 2

And lastly, the Pixelbook (16GB RAM version). Had a Chromebook Pixel LS and it was awesome. Sold it for more than I paid for it, 1.5 years after getting it :s

Razer all day long from that list

 

[Aquila]

For a billionaire company like Google to put out a sub-par display because of using LG panels instead of Samsung is an insult to any consumer's wallet. If Google wants to compete with Apple and Samsung, they should step up to this trouble, however minor. They are asking a premium price, I would expect a premium device. It's the display, just one of the most important aspects of a smartphone experience.

This hyperbole is still false. It's offensive to you, not the market. The "issues" don't seem to exist for most of the market.

 

[Aquila]

I bet they used LG panels because the Samsung one's this size are hard to get at this time (supply issues).

Samsung was one of the issues last year. Google under ordered and samsung was one of two component makers that was super slow to meet extended demand. Google's fault but now Google's has two intake lines to help avoid that again.

 

[Aquila]

Google prices their phones way too high.

False. They priced them exact as they wanted to, this isn't an accidental number.

I realize it's sort of your thing to constantly lie and to present your guy instinct as fact, but you're not very good at intuition and not informed enough to fake it.

 

[Pinhead117]

I think anyone in the market would be offended with a $1000 bad screen.

 

[Aquila]

I think anyone in the market would be offended with a $1000 bad screen.

Yep, but that's a reflection on you and not on all of them. One of the key indicators here is "I think" and another is "bad screen".

As has been discussed ad nauseum, most of the display "issues" boil down to people that are not down with accurate displays being surprised to see a display where accurate is the default. Yet these same folks typically interact quite frequently with iPhones, and haven't pushed the same complaints that direction. And iPhones are well known to all those except for the must ardent of Samsung Knights, as having some of the best displays in the market.

I think this was said elsewhere as well, but there's a whole lot of room between "not the best display" and "absolute garbage". Most of the media and the forums here are stuck on this false choice, as if those are the only two options. But some ideas that exist between those two extreme poles might be, "passable, decent, good, great, excellent, awesome, above average, average, less than stellar", etc, etc. We have more than two phrases available to us and could be well served to consider accurate statements rather than hyperbole.

The other thing is the $1000, and I know this has been discussed. The phone is $850 base, prior to trade in, discount, etc. Yes, if you buy the 128 GB version (and full disclosure I've purchased 2 and have 3 more on pre order) it's $950 + tax and you can get over $1000, but I'm not sure how many people are actually paying that much given that Best Buy had them at $100 off and trade ins go up to $400+ iirc. And even if the $1000 point were conceded, it is hardly the only flagship level phone that's priced as a flagship. And $1000 can't be taken in a vacuum, as if it is this outrageous price relative to last year or other years prior... because we all know that component prices have gone way up (storage and displays especially) and we don't have a limes to limes comparison trying to put today's phones against yesterday's.

That's just a couple of things revealed by the sorts of comments being made. And I promise most of this is not anything against you personally, it's against the shallow rhetoric being repeated throughout the media and forums and a request that context and accuracy be valued rather than scorned.

 

[Scottie15]

False. They priced them exact as they wanted to, this isn't an accidental number.

I realize it's sort of your thing to constantly lie and to present your guy instinct as fact, but you're not very good at intuition and not informed enough to fake it.

lolwut. Worst argument ever. Yes, they priced them as they wanted to: incredibly high and overpriced for what you get. Which is exactly what they want. See how capitalism works?

 

[Aquila]

lolwut. Worst argument ever. Yes, they priced them as they wanted to: incredibly high and overpriced for what you get. Which is exactly what they want. See how capitalism works?

If you feel like something isn't worth the value, that is your opinion and your duty would be then to not buy it and that'd be your contribution to capitalism based on your opinion. That does not mean that you are more of an expert than the actual market analysts who developed the offering... and it definitely does not mean that you have done any sort of market analysis yourself in order to be able to present a claim, such as yours and the person that was quoted, that is presented as an objective fact, and asserts that Google misread the market and their prices are completely inappropriate for what consumers will be willing to pay for the value they receive. You can't make that claim because you have no idea. What you can claim is that you feel it is overpriced for you. And that's fine. That just means you either don't understand what they're doing or that you aren't into the sorts of things that they appeal to. And both of those are fine. But none of that equates to being able to speak on behalf of the market. Especially when claiming to do so shows nothing but spite for and ignorance of the market itself.

 

[Wiley_11]

Yep, but that's a reflection on you and not on all of them. One of the key indicators here is "I think" and another is "bad screen".

As has been discussed ad nauseum, most of the display "issues" boil down to people that are not down with accurate displays being surprised to see a display where accurate is the default. Yet these same folks typically interact quite frequently with iPhones, and haven't pushed the same complaints that direction. And iPhones are well known to all those except for the must ardent of Samsung Knights, as having some of the best displays in the market.

I think this was said elsewhere as well, but there's a whole lot of room between "not the best display" and "absolute garbage". Most of the media and the forums here are stuck on this false choice, as if those are the only two options. But some ideas that exist between those two extreme poles might be, "passable, decent, good, great, excellent, awesome, above average, average, less than stellar", etc, etc. We have more than two phrases available to us and could be well served to consider accurate statements rather than hyperbole.

The other thing is the $1000, and I know this has been discussed. The phone is $850 base, prior to trade in, discount, etc. Yes, if you buy the 128 GB version (and full disclosure I've purchased 2 and have 3 more on pre order) it's $950 + tax and you can get over $1000, but I'm not sure how many people are actually paying that much given that Best Buy had them at $100 off and trade ins go up to $400+ iirc. And even if the $1000 point were conceded, it is hardly the only flagship level phone that's priced as a flagship. And $1000 can't be taken in a vacuum, as if it is this outrageous price relative to last year or other years prior... because we all know that component prices have gone way up (storage and displays especially) and we don't have a limes to limes comparison trying to put today's phones against yesterday's.

That's just a couple of things revealed by the sorts of comments being made. And I promise most of this is not anything against you personally, it's against the shallow rhetoric being repeated throughout the media and forums and a request that context and accuracy be valued rather than scorned.

Sounds like your All Aboard that Pixel 2 train until the end of the line.

 

[Aquila]

Sounds like your All Aboard that Pixel 2 train until the end of the line.

nah I'm on the anti misinformation train until it gets too stupid then it'll be time to jump off.

 

[PhiPsi32]

. . . The other thing is the $1000, and I know this has been discussed. The phone is $850 base, prior to trade in, discount, etc. Yes, if you buy the 128 GB version (and full disclosure I've purchased 2 and have 3 more on pre order) it's $950 + tax and you can get over $1000, but I'm not sure how many people are actually paying that much given that Best Buy had them at $100 off and trade ins go up to $400+ iirc . . .

Seems like a lot of phones for one person . . .

 

[Aquila]

Seems like a lot of phones for one person . . .

I keep some backups and give some as gifts.

 

[PowrDroid]

there's a whole lot of room between "not the best display" and "absolute garbage". Most of the media and the forums here are stuck on this false choice, as if those are the only two options. But some ideas that exist between those two extreme poles might be, "passable, decent, good, great, excellent, awesome, above average, average, less than stellar", etc, etc. We have more than two phrases available to us and could be well served to consider accurate statements rather than hyperbole.

What you can claim is that you feel it is overpriced for you. And that's fine. That just means you either don't understand what they're doing or that you aren't into the sorts of things that they appeal to. And both of those are fine. But none of that equates to being able to speak on behalf of the market. Especially when claiming to do so shows nothing but spite for and ignorance of the market itself.

Interesting that the screen quality has several choices to describe it, but when it comes to commenting on the high price of the Pixel 2, there are only two choices. Hmmm...

 

[Aquila]

Interesting that the screen quality has several choices to describe it, but when it comes to commenting on the high price of the Pixel 2, there are only two choices. Hmmm...

Well there is a third option, underpriced, but I haven't heard anyone make that claim yet.

 

[Torisen1]

Interesting that the screen quality has several choices to describe it, but when it comes to commenting on the high price of the Pixel 2, there are only two choices. Hmmm...

I don't know what you are reading as only 2 choices were not given for price. Each person will have their own opinion on that.

 

[PowrDroid]

I don't know what you are reading as only 2 choices were not given for price. Each person will have their own opinion on that.

Obviously I'm reading what "Aquila" wrote. Aquila is the person that gave several options for describing the screen quality but only two options for why Scottie15 thinks the Pixel 2 is overpriced.

 

[Aquila]

Obviously I'm reading what "Aquila" wrote. Aquila is the person that gave several options for describing the screen quality but only two options for why Scottie15 thinks the Pixel 2 is overpriced.

Pineapples vs grapes mate.

 

[PowrDroid]

Well there is a third option, underpriced, but I haven't heard anyone make that claim yet.

You've purchased five of the 128GB models, so there are two and only two possible reasons for this. You think they are underpriced, or you have butt loads of money.