HTC One (M8) camera discussion

[bigoldthor]

Re: To everyone who is bashing the M8 camera, I have a couple of points to make.

Why are people still defending the camera... Why they feel so hurt by the bad reviews.
The camera in the HTC One or M8 is behind any other top smartphone. Now just deal with it. There are other things where the HTC One shines and other phones lack. That's it.

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Lighten up, Francis.

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[ffejjj]

Re: To everyone who is bashing the M8 camera, I have a couple of points to make.

Lighten up, Francis.

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Lol like the Stripes reference

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[wtupyo]

Re: To everyone who is bashing the M8 camera, I have a couple of points to make.

Thank you!

There is a reason I own a Sony Alpha DSLR and film cameras - for when I want really good shots.

After that is my Lumia 1020, if I don't quite need the DSLR but still want really good photos at a large size.

The HTC M8 is my current daily driver phone and the photos it takes will work great for FB or Instagram. I often jump around Androids and I don't really care for the whole "ultrapixel" but I love how the M8 feels in my hand. With some tweaking, manual mode and patience you can get very good shots from the M8 - just don't look at them on a large 27" screen (like I have and cry at chromatic aberration showing up along with less sharpness at full size)

I do wish that the lens could better correct itself though with pictures, rather than sometimes giving off a fishbowl effect due to being so wide. (I have noticed this in pictures people have posted, and my own.)

 

[James E1]

It just comes down to how you use the camera on a phone really. That's a great food picture so if you tend to take macro stills this will likely be a great camera. Unfortunately, most of my pictures involve my 10 year old and you almost never have the luxury at school, sports, etc of being 6 feet or closer. I played with the M8 and S5 extensively yesterday at the store and the results were as you would expect. The M8 was fast, clear and crisp as long as your subject was close. Take a picture of a display rack clear on the other side of the store, go to the album and zoom in and the differences were very obvious. The M8's were blurry and soft while the S5's were fine. Zoom in on the S5 photo's and you could read the words on the packaging. The M8 zoomed picts confirmed that there were in fact packages on the other side of the store, but that's about it.

I have played with the M8 and the S5 on 3 different visits to the 3 different at&t stores and not once have I had any luck with the S5 taking an in focus picture inside the store. The M8 gets a good picture almost every time. Higher mp mean nothing if you don't get the shot. 3 different times and the same results all 3 times. I don't think the S5 is reliable enough for me and in fact I don't think I need 16 mp of out of focus pictures.

 

[bryanmsi]

Re: To everyone who is bashing the M8 camera, I have a couple of points to make.

The resolution and ultra pixel is a design choice, and you either respect it or mock it...but it was done for a reason. The savage purple fringing, however, is just sloppy engineering.

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[quanitc]

Re: To everyone who is bashing the M8 camera, I have a couple of points to make.

I took a couple of pictures on Auto mode and then the same on Manual mode and found that I was able to get vastly better photos myself. That said, the same is true for a ?3k DSLR.

 

[scottysize]

Re: To everyone who is bashing the M8 camera, I have a couple of points to make.

Why are people still defending the camera... Why they feel so hurt by the bad reviews.
The camera in the HTC One or M8 is behind any other top smartphone. Now just deal with it. There are other things where the HTC One shines and other phones lack. That's it.

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I'm with him. ^^^ Why does everyone try to defend the camera on this phone? I've taken many different shots with this phone's camera and I can say without a doubt that it's worse than the G2. However, the pictures are on par with all other cellphones and a vast improvement when compared to the S4. No one can defend that fact that the camera is sub-par for a brand new cellphone. It is. Megapixel or not, the camera is a step behind any of the newer manufacturers. Everyone knows it. Why defend it? Does it take decent pictures for a phone? Sure. Does it also have issues with minor changes in light? Sure. Is it a DSLR? No. Stop comparing it to a DSLR. Every time someone says they are unhappy with the shots the phone takes, someone else always says, "Well it's no DSLR." Duh. No one is comparing the two. Compare it to the other phones out there. I own a G2, S4, and M8. I take pictures with all 3 and the G2 is by far the best. It's not even close. Is it because the G2 has better optics, or a higher MP count? I don't know, nor do I care. I only know that the G2 takes better pictures. The S4 by they way is way worse than the M8. My wife won't even use her S4 to take pictures. She can't stand how they turn out.

So, Long story short:

S4 - Camera sucks
G2 - Camera Awesome
M8 - Camera not the best.

Now go ahead and tell me how my opinion sucks and I need to get a DSLR.

 

[cdaq]

Re: To everyone who is bashing the M8 camera, I have a couple of points to make.

- just don't look at them on a large 27" screen (like I have and cry at chromatic aberration showing up along with less sharpness at full size)

wow really? Chromatic aberration is a problem for all digital cameras and more so for the tiny sensors in camera phones.

 

[cdaq]

Re: To everyone who is bashing the M8 camera, I have a couple of points to make.

No one can defend that fact that the camera is sub-par for a brand new cellphone. It is. Megapixel or not, the camera is a step behind any of the newer manufacturers. Everyone knows it. Why defend it?

Now go ahead and tell me how my opinion sucks and I need to get a DSLR.

Because it actually is a very good camera. Certainly worthy of being on a flagship phone at least in my experience with it. Your opinion doesn't suck it's just less than informed. At least you can admit it's just your opinion. For some critical thinking is a problem.

 

[ThrottleJohnny]

Re: To everyone who is bashing the M8 camera, I have a couple of points to make.

This camera functions wonderfully for my every day needs. If I need a better camera, I'll buy one. And it won't be a smartphone camera.

The rest of the m8 is simply brilliant. The end.

 

[smooth4lyfe]

Re: To everyone who is bashing the M8 camera, I have a couple of points to make.

Why are people still defending the camera... Why they feel so hurt by the bad reviews.
The camera in the HTC One or M8 is behind any other top smartphone. Now just deal with it. There are other things where the HTC One shines and other phones lack. That's it.

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Agreed

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[Skyway]

Re: M8 Camera

I read a few pages in this thread. Could someone summarize some thoughts about the camera. I think M8 convinced me finally to buy a new phone but the camera is critical because I am more like a shoot_a_photo_in_a_party guy. When I go to a vacation, I take my camera.

Well honestly, the people who like the m8 are going to chime in and say the camera works very well while the people who like the s5 (or just don't like the m8) are going to say the camera is bad and 4mp isn't enough.

Take whatever you hear with a grain of salt, these are people's opinions, not facts. I would personally try to find a store to check them out in person and make your decision based on that

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[cdaq]

Re: To everyone who is bashing the M8 camera, I have a couple of points to make.

Why are people still defending the camera... Why they feel so hurt by the bad reviews.
The camera in the HTC One or M8 is behind any other top smartphone. Now just deal with it. There are other things where the HTC One shines and other phones lack. That's it.

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It's simply not true. Assuming that the resolution is sufficient for what you need, the physically larger pixels will out perform the smaller ones. I mean, c'mon people this isn't even in question! As the pixel size decreases, noise and low light performance increases.
This is from wikipedia:
"Larger pixel sizes can capture more light which has the advantage of allowing more light to be captured before over saturation of the photodiode. Additionally, less noise is generated by adjacent pixels and their emf fields with larger photodiodes or greater spacing between photodiodes. For a given number of pixels, the larger sensor allows for larger pixels or photosites that provide wider dynamic range and lower noise at high ISO levels."

I think the HTC engineers had a pretty good idea about what they are doing.

 

[scottysize]

Re: To everyone who is bashing the M8 camera, I have a couple of points to make.

This is from wikipedia:
"Larger pixel sizes can capture more light which has the advantage of allowing more light to be captured before over saturation of the photodiode. Additionally, less noise is generated by adjacent pixels and their emf fields with larger photodiodes or greater spacing between photodiodes. For a given number of pixels, the larger sensor allows for larger pixels or photosites that provide wider dynamic range and lower noise at high ISO levels."

I think the HTC engineers had a pretty good idea about what they are doing.

First off, if it's on Wikipeda, I know it's a fact, right? Secondly, if Wikipedia is correct, then that is probably why it's having issues with small changes in light. As I've stated 100 times. Compare it to other phones, then tell me it's a great camera. If you compare it with other phones and still think it's the best, hey, good on you.

 

[Kevin OQuinn]

Re: To everyone who is bashing the M8 camera, I have a couple of points to make.

Why are people still defending the camera... Why they feel so hurt by the bad reviews.
The camera in the HTC One or M8 is behind any other top smartphone. Now just deal with it. There are other things where the HTC One shines and other phones lack. That's it.

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Kind of like the people that defend the Samsung choice of materials and feel of the device?

 

[B0WIE]

Re: M8 Camera

I read a few pages in this thread. Could someone summarize some thoughts about the camera. I think M8 convinced me finally to buy a new phone but the camera is critical because I am more like a shoot_a_photo_in_a_party guy. When I go to a vacation, I take my camera.

My summary is;
The super fast response means you won't miss as many shots due to movement and blurring. It's a game changer in low light and can make photos shot in dim rooms look entirely useable. It's character emphasizes depth and the effects take that a step further. Colors are slightly saturated, but pleasant. Detail is quite good, better than my 8mp shooters. Some people struggle with high contrast outdoor shots. I personally haven't so I'm inclined to thing it has to do with the way people pick and set up their shots, but enough people have issues that it's worth mentioning.
It excels on photos with a foreground subject to focus on (people, animals, etc) and can make them really "pop" in a way that's not been seen on a phone before. Look around the forum and you'll see that the most common comment from M8 owners regarding the cam is how surprised they were by it.

 

[Kibbster]

Re: M8 Camera

My summary is;
The super fast response means you won't miss as many shots due to movement and blurring. It's a game changer in low light and can make photos shot in dim rooms look entirely useable. It's character emphasizes depth and the effects take that a step further. Colors are slightly saturated, but pleasant. Detail is quite good, better than my 8mp shooters. Some people struggle with high contrast outdoor shots. I personally haven't so I'm inclined to thing it has to do with the way people pick and set up their shots, but enough people have issues that it's worth mentioning.
It excels on photos with a foreground subject to focus on (people, animals, etc) and can make them really "pop" in a way that's not been seen on a phone before. Look around the forum and you'll see that the most common comment from M8 owners regarding the cam is how surprised they were by it.

I think that's quite a fair summary.

 

[Ken_FSU]

Re: To everyone who is bashing the M8 camera, I have a couple of points to make.

Most of the bashing comes from very well uneducated people who know NOTHING about camera technology.

Generalize much?

 

[Kibbster]

I honestly don't know of another camera phone that can get any where near the M8 for portraits (I wouldn't be surprised if SLRs are given a run for their money.)
To me it seems to be in a different league and shows where HTC focussed most their camera efforts.
Portrait with ufocus.

 

[cdaq]

Re: To everyone who is bashing the M8 camera, I have a couple of points to make.

First off, if it's on Wikipeda, I know it's a fact, right? Secondly, if Wikipedia is correct, then that is probably why it's having issues with small changes in light.

Please.. The FACT that larger pixels enable a wider dynamic range and are less susceptible to noise is not disputed by anyone.

Here's another reference (thats NOT wikipedia):
"Photosites can be thought of as buckets which hold photons as if they were water. Therefore, if the bucket becomes too full, it will overflow. A photosite which overflows is said to have become saturated, and is therefore unable to discern between additional incoming photons — thereby defining the camera's white level. For an ideal camera, its contrast ratio would therefore be just the number of photons it could contain within each photosite, divided by the darkest measurable light intensity (one photon). If each held 1000 photons, then the contrast ratio would be 1000:1. Since larger photosites can contain a greater range of photons, dynamic range is generally higher for digital SLR cameras compared to compact cameras (due to larger pixel sizes)."

Understanding Dynamic Range in Digital Photography


Do you have any real reason to suspect that this is not the case?