Huge opportunity for LG

[Mike Dee]

This is where i 100% agree with you, and what I was trying to say with my initial post in this thread. LG is doing nothing different this time around than the last 6+ releases, and the competitive market is also no different (some phones with better/different features, some with worse)...so why anyone would expect anything different is beyond me. They are literally doing the same exact thing, right down to the teaser commercials and Joseph Gordon Levitt (?) Ads

Two major things are different from the V20 that stick out:
The phone is very different. The preview date is much closer to actual release date.
Anyway I don't care as long as they make a phone that I like.

 

[Mike Dee]

Samsung needs to get their software game together. The v20 runs circles around the s7 with the same hardware. I haven't gotten to use the s8 personally, but I've seen plenty of people say that I'm lags/locks up from time to time. LG has an ugly ui, but at least it's fast.

I'm also not a fan of Samsung building apps like bixby instead of just relying on the superior Google assistant like LG. I was happy as hell to finally be able to use the ok Google command with the screen off on the v20.

As far as reliability, i did three warranty exchanges on s7 edges between two lines (two for pink lines on The display, one stopped vibrating.) I would love to see some actual data on failure rates between manufacturers after one or two years. I bet they're all pretty similar.

I won't touch Samsung except to look at it on display. It's not for me... That's not to say it's a bad phone. Many people own them and that's OK because everyone should buy what they like.

 

[Laura Knotek]

I won't touch Samsung except to look at it on display. It's not for me... That's not to say it's a bad phone. Many people own them and that's OK because everyone should buy what they like.

^^^ This.
https://youtu.be/vnVuqfXohxc

 

[Guyinbox]

I won't touch Samsung except to look at it on display. It's not for me... That's not to say it's a bad phone. Many people own them and that's OK because everyone should buy what they like.

Probably my biggest problem with Samsung nowadays is that they've completely ignored the durability aspect. I was actually considering the moto z2 force because if the shatterproof display until they borked the battery. At least LG is still trying for a drop spec rating on their glass phones, and my v10 and v20 held up extremely well. I don't want to drop my phone in a case and still worry about the display cracking.

All this talk about sealed phones allowing for better, more "premium" design is bunk if it only refers to looks. How about making it bulletproof instead of just pretty ??????

 

[EnemiesInTheEnd]

Samsung needs to get their software game together. The v20 runs circles around the s7 with the same hardware. I haven't gotten to use the s8 personally, but I've seen plenty of people say that I'm lags/locks up from time to time. LG has an ugly ui, but at least it's fast.

I'm also not a fan of Samsung building apps like bixby instead of just relying on the superior Google assistant like LG. I was happy as hell to finally be able to use the ok Google command with the screen off on the v20.

As far as reliability, i did three warranty exchanges on s7 edges between two lines (two for pink lines on The display, one stopped vibrating.) I would love to see some actual data on failure rates between manufacturers after one or two years. I bet they're all pretty similar.

Samsung software isn't nearly as bad as people make it out to be. For example, Samsung's apps are almost always superior to Google's equivalent. Even if you do get the stutter and it's irritating to you, you can just switch launchers. The whole thing gets blown out of proportion by nitpickers.

 

[EnemiesInTheEnd]

Probably my biggest problem with Samsung nowadays is that they've completely ignored the durability aspect. I was actually considering the moto z2 force because if the shatterproof display until they borked the battery. At least LG is still trying for a drop spec rating on their glass phones, and my v10 and v20 held up extremely well. I don't want to drop my phone in a case and still worry about the display cracking.

All this talk about sealed phones allowing for better, more "premium" design is bunk if it only refers to looks. How about making it bulletproof instead of just pretty ������

Samsung does that every year.
Samsung Galaxy S8 Active is here! Finally a decent box

 

[Guyinbox]

Samsung software isn't nearly as bad as people make it out to be. For example, Samsung's apps are almost always superior to Google's equivalent. Even if you do get the stutter and it's irritating to you, you can just switch launchers. The whole thing gets blown out of proportion by nitpickers.

Every Samsung phone I've had has had choppy scrolling and and janky animations. My s7 edge can't even open the settings menu smoothly. Changing the launcher won't affect system wide performance. Year after year it was always "yea but the next one will have the snapdragon 8xx so performance won't be a problem." Maybe it's better not since the s8 but i honestly doubt it.

As far as the active line goes, they're usually released months after the original and exclusive to att. Just to be clear, durability isn't just a Samsung issue. A large part of the industry these days are making fragile glass sandwiches. It is what it is.

 

[EnemiesInTheEnd]

Every Samsung phone I've had has had choppy scrolling and and janky animations. My s7 edge can't even open the settings menu smoothly. Changing the launcher won't affect system wide performance. Year after year it was always "yea but the next one will have the snapdragon 8xx so performance won't be a problem." Maybe it's better not since the s8 but i honestly doubt it.

As far as the active line goes, they're usually released months after the original and exclusive to att. Just to be clear, durability isn't just a Samsung issue. A large part of the industry these days are making fragile glass sandwiches. It is what it is.

Changing the launcher does affect performance. For example, you can turn animations off using other launchers. Like I said, some people are going to be bothered by minor performance hangups from time to time. Most aren't. My Note 5 is generally pretty smooth. Like I mentioned earlier, Samsung's apps are quite good. Apps are software as well.

Yes, the Galaxy Active line are AT&T exclusives, but you said you wish Samsung wouldn't ignore durability, but they haven't. They made a phone for people that want extreme durability. For everyone else, just buy a case with the protection level you need. The V10 and V20 aren't pillars of durability either.

 

[Guyinbox]

Changing the launcher does affect performance. For example, you can turn animations off using other launchers. Like I said, some people are going to be bothered by minor performance hangups from time to time. Most aren't. My Note 5 is generally pretty smooth. Like I mentioned earlier, Samsung's apps are quite good. Apps are software as well.

Yes, the Galaxy Active line are AT&T exclusives, but you said you wish Samsung wouldn't ignore durability, but they haven't. They made a phone for people that want extreme durability. For everyone else, just buy a case with the protection level you need. The V10 and V20 aren't pillars of durability either.

You can turn off animations in settings regardless of which launcher you're using, but it won't help system wide performance. I'm not saying everyone cares about the lag, i was simply stating that Samsung has no excuses at this point as to why they can't make their phones run at least as well as LG. I don't expect them to be fast as stock or even moto near stock, but LG's ux is pretty much a touchwiz clone and it flies comparatively. The note 4 was still my favorite phone of all time, and that thing lagged left and right.

Obviously, i was talking about theirs flagship phones in general, not one phone based on one model on one carrier. The previous v series phones are pillars of durability compared to the note and s lines.

 

[Morty2264]

I think LG has really done well this year. They produced a theater quality device that ticks off a lot of boxes. I think this is the closest they've ever gotten to being on par with the bigger competitors like Samsung and Apple; and I think they have a great shot at overtaking Samsung this year - even if that means that some Samsung users switch over to the G6 or their bigger V-series phone.

 

[eshropshire]

Changing the launcher does affect performance. For example, you can turn animations off using other launchers. Like I said, some people are going to be bothered by minor performance hangups from time to time. Most aren't. My Note 5 is generally pretty smooth. Like I mentioned earlier, Samsung's apps are quite good. Apps are software as well.

Yes, the Galaxy Active line are AT&T exclusives, but you said you wish Samsung wouldn't ignore durability, but they haven't. They made a phone for people that want extreme durability. For everyone else, just buy a case with the protection level you need. The V10 and V20 aren't pillars of durability either.

The Active this year is only a short time AT&T exclusive. The phone will be available from other USA carriers this year.

 

[ffejjj]

I think LG has really done well this year. They produced a theater quality device that ticks off a lot of boxes. I think this is the closest they've ever gotten to being on par with the bigger competitors like Samsung and Apple; and I think they have a great shot at overtaking Samsung this year - even if that means that some Samsung users switch over to the G6 or their bigger V-series phone.

I think it's going to take several really good LG phones removed from the G4 to soften that memory. The G5, V20 and now the G6.

When enthusiast's like us who have bought the G6 and point out how well it performs... Maybe more people will pick up the next LG phone.

Or stand in the corner yelling BOOTLOOP over and over. Who knows

 

[Mike Dee]

I think it's going to take several really good LG phones removed from the G4 to soften that memory. The G5, V20 and now the G6.

When enthusiast's like us who have bought the G6 and point out how well it performs... Maybe more people will pick up the next LG phone.

That will help but in the end clever and strategic marketing will be the biggest boost.

 

[aokusman1]

How many people really use the S Pen after a month? The S Pen makes it a better device for people who enjoy writing/drawing. For everyone else its fair game.

Well those that do will not consider the LG. Fact is LG can't come close to Samsung, look at the bland G6.

 

[Mike Dee]

Well those that do will not consider the LG. Fact is LG can't come close to Samsung, look at the bland G6.

They will not consider LG because it lacks a stylus..... Bland is subjective and the G6 is not the same as the V30.

 

[JohnMcL7]

I fully agree. First let me say I am a big Note fan. I have been using a Note 4 for the last 2.5 years. I have 2 different Note tablets. I use my SPen a lot with OneNote. I have preordered the Note 8. I did it because I use the SPen a lot.

I am always surprised by people who buy Notes but never use the Pen. I was really tempted by the V20, but decided to stay with the Note, I did not want to be dependent on always having a tablet with me to take notes in meetings.

If I did not care about an SPen the V30 or S8+ would be my top choice. I would definitely want to see the V30 before deciding. I am betting the V30 will be an awesome media phone.

I hope the V30 is a big success. LG needs a big success to provide competition to Samsung.

Why are you surprised there are people who use Notes that don't use the S-pen? I've had a Note 1 and 4 but personally the s-pen isn't much use to me apart from Drawful, for taking notes I prefer to type them.

I'm still waiting for the V30 details to be announced before making a decision as I'm expecting LG to screw over Europe as they normally do, initially I was leaning towards the S8+ but I do like the look of the Note 8's flatter screen and lesser curves.

 

[chriskwarren]

Why are you surprised there are people who use Notes that don't use the S-pen? I've had a Note 1 and 4 but personally the s-pen isn't much use to me apart from Drawful, for taking notes I prefer to type them.

I'm still waiting for the V30 details to be announced before making a decision as I'm expecting LG to screw over Europe as they normally do, initially I was leaning towards the S8+ but I do like the look of the Note 8's flatter screen and lesser curves.

The Note8 has just gotten the highest rating ever for a smartphone display, which is not surprising as Samsung knows how to make good displays.

The stylus is great for people who work with their phones; take a picture at a job site, and write down some additional measurements/notes on the project right there. Have a pdf that you want to write notes on and send back, or even sign? The stylus is your friend. It may be one of those things that if you use it for a while you would really miss it. The reports of crazy bright screen and outdoor visibility of the Note8 make it a good device for working outside, as long as you protect it with a good case.

All things being equal I would take the stylus. But the trade-off seems to be battery life, as you need to make room in the chassis for the stylus. However bad software and poor optimization can ruin a bigger battery, so the reviews will have to settle that one (along with user reports).

The Note8 is an amazing device for sure if you like the ergonomics of the device. Fingerprint scanner and curves of the screen ruin it for me. I played around with a Note 7 for a bit last year and the curved screen was a bit of a pita for me.

 

[JohnMcL7]

I agree the V30 looks great. But why will it do better than the V20 that should have been a big seller with the death of the Note 7.

Also, the only disappointment I hear is from the same crowd that expects a revolutionary smartphone in the age of evolution. The S8 had tons of posts about how disappointing the S8 and S8+ was. In fact, I can't remember a phone released in the last years that did not have a lot of negative comments.

For starters, actually allowing people to buy the V30 would be a huge improvement - LG condemned the V20 themselves by giving it such a limited release which made no sense given Samsung made such a mistake with the Note 7. With that gap in the market there was huge demand for the V20 and some of the sellers here were pushing LG to reconsider releasing the V20 in Europe due to consumer demand but they ignored it.

The G6 was released here but it's been a failure as LG priced a lower specced phone but at the same price as higher specced devices, it's not a surprise it's been almost entirely overlooked.

I certainly think LG can undercut the huge price of the Note 8 which is certainly an advantage but not sure they have enough selling points to tempt people away from the similar specced S8s.

John

 

[JohnMcL7]

The Note8 has just gotten the highest rating ever for a smartphone display, which is not surprising as Samsung knows how to make good displays.

The stylus is great for people who work with their phones; take a picture at a job site, and write down some additional measurements/notes on the project right there. Have a pdf that you want to write notes on and send back, or even sign? The stylus is your friend. It may be one of those things that if you use it for a while you would really miss it. The reports of crazy bright screen and outdoor visibility of the Note8 make it a good device for working outside, as long as you protect it with a good case.

All things being equal I would take the stylus. But the trade-off seems to be battery life, as you need to make room in the chassis for the stylus. However bad software and poor optimization can ruin a bigger battery, so the reviews will have to settle that one (along with user reports).

The Note8 is an amazing device for sure if you like the ergonomics of the device. Fingerprint scanner and curves of the screen ruin it for me. I played around with a Note 7 for a bit last year and the curved screen was a bit of a pita for me.

I'm not disputing the S-pen benefits as I know it has many fans but more pointing out it's not a feature that every Note owner uses.

John

 

[Morty2264]

I think it's going to take several really good LG phones removed from the G4 to soften that memory. The G5, V20 and now the G6.

When enthusiast's like us who have bought the G6 and point out how well it performs... Maybe more people will pick up the next LG phone.

Or stand in the corner yelling BOOTLOOP over and over. Who knows

For sure, we need more excellent LG phones before there's a huge turnaround or even the start of a huge turnaround. Hopefully more sales and more brand awareness will happen for LG as far as smartphones are concerned.