kind of a let down!

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FYI in 4.3 there is code added for 664 DPI aka 4k. So dam 1080p is so old

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All right. I am going to jump in here because, well, I have to. I am looking forward to this phone, 720 or no. The reason being that I am analytical enough to know that at that pixel density, going higher is more for marketing than performance. And it's a hit on the hardware that is unnecessary. Save that battery and processor for things thta matter.

I have a DNA that has an incredible display, and a MaxxHD that looks pretty much just as good. So I know that it doesn't matter, not in real terms. But when I said marketing, that is what it's all about. The OP is 100% correct. We here on AC are not the 99% when it comes to smartphones. The truth is, our non-tech family and friends are going to look at the ads and buy on specs, not real performance. So Moto may have made a mistake in the low spec display if they wanted to push it as a marketing point. But hey, WE all know this is going to be a great phone. I am definitely going to get one. And the display will rock, I'm sure.
 
All right. I am going to jump in here because, well, I have to. I am looking forward to this phone, 720 or no. The reason being that I am analytical enough to know that at that pixel density, going higher is more for marketing than performance. And it's a hit on the hardware that is unnecessary. Save that battery and processor for things thta matter.

I have a DNA that has an incredible display, and a MaxxHD that looks pretty much just as good. So I know that it doesn't matter, not in real terms. But when I said marketing, that is what it's all about. The OP is 100% correct. We here on AC are not the 99% when it comes to smartphones. The truth is, our non-tech family and friends are going to look at the ads and buy on specs, not real performance. So Moto may have made a mistake in the low spec display if they wanted to push it as a marketing point. But hey, WE all know this is going to be a great phone. I am definitely going to get one. And the display will rock, I'm sure.

Exactly. These will be powerful, efficient & durable performers with innovative features and unsurpassed (unique) radios. For serious & heavy duty use, I don't see their equal on the current market especially, in the case of the Maxx.

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That device hardware is reaching a plateau is exactly why the competition is greater than ever. The more similar devices are, the more they compete with each other. The differentiation of software merely reduces competition by creating said differentiation. It's supply and demand my child. The more software differentiation there is, the less each differentiation is worth, and the less hardware differentiation there is, the more each differentiation is worth. So given this truth we may conclude that hardware is what matters most and that it matters more than ever.

And your ad hominem attacks merely show that deep down you agree with me.

This makes me laugh haha
 
The specs really don't matter. Look at the Galaxy S4. That thing can lag with the best of them even though it has arguably the most powerful SOC in production. I'm more interested about the new features than the specs. As long as it runs well and has good battery life does it matter?

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My female's 4s has pitiful battery life. It may sleep a little more efficiently, but pick it up and use it and it loses 1% per minute. It's saving grace is charging @ 2 amps.

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My wife's iPhone 5 has great battery life.
 
There was an article that came out when the first retina iPad came out ( iPad 3 ) .... some techsite handed people an iPad 2 (non-retina) and told them it was the "new" iPad.

Pretty much all of them were WOWED by the "new" iPad.

So much for specs vs real world performance/perception.
 
The specs really don't matter. Look at the Galaxy S4. That thing can lag with the best of them even though it has arguably the most powerful SOC in production. I'm more interested about the new features than the specs. As long as it runs well and has good battery life does it matter?

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the main cause of android lag is poor i/o performance. and this gets worse over time. higher quality sd drives (e.g., the one in iphone) doesn't degrade as quickly. that's why it seems like after half a year, every android lags, regardless of specs. too bad there is no way of knowing ahead of time which devices' drives will hold up better than others.
 
Except that specs matter more than ever as the competition is greater than ever.

If the screen was straight RGB it wouldn't even be retina grade, but it has some pentile-like matrix, giving it an effective resolution of even lower.

you're wrong bout the screen being pentile like. its true rgb but arranged differently. effective resolution is the same as any other rgb arrangement.
 
Yes I'm sure that's the reason it sells. Good battery life? My iPhone 4 blows any android I've had out of the water.not even a comparison. Either way the spec sheet doesn't tell half the story on how a phone will perform.

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I sell phones. We get tonnes of people who come in wanting the phone with the best specs all the time. No amount of trying to explain why specs shouldn't be the deciding factor stops them.

I always enjoy when a couple of months later they come back complaining about lag, freezing, overheating and poor battery. I take a fair amount of joy in saying "700 core processors and 18 GB of ram don't mean much if the software is coded by monkeys (looking at you Samsung) - but you have your specs to brag about so there's that, right?" Okay I DON'T say that exactly but you get the idea.

My 'under specced' iPhone 5 outperforms my coworkers GS4 every day of the week. I regularly get 6-8 hours screen on time and over 15 hours standby with it (I have never had an issue with iPhone battery life like I did with my GS3, which started off good and then went to hell when Samsung released the premium update. And why should I have to turn off all the gimmicks they use to sell the phone to get it to last through the day?). The only phone I've seen lately that outlasts my iPhone in battery life (with a stock battery) is my other coworkers Xperia Z with stamina mode on. I've never had lag or slow downs with my iPhone (even my old 4 is just starting to show its age with lagging from OS updates ).

Give me a dual core processor and a Gb of ram any day of the week if the software is optimised. It's no different than the people who buy a full tonne truck with a hemi engine in it, live in an apartment and work in an office and never do anything requiring the power of the truck...light up the tires and gun the engine at the lights and then complain about how expensive the gas is.
 
you're wrong bout the screen being pentile like. its true rgb but arranged differently. effective resolution is the same as any other rgb arrangement.

True rgb means an rgb stripe. It isn't. It has some quasi pentile layout like the galaxy note.

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True rgb means an rgb stripe. It isn't. It has some quasi pentile layout like the galaxy note.

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Whatever the Note 2 has looks a million times better than pentile so it's totally okay that the Ultra has whatever the Note 2 has.

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Whatever the Note 2 has looks a million times better than pentile so it's totally okay that the Ultra has whatever the Note 2 has.

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Some of the hands-on for the Ultra and Maxx made it clear that it was noticeable that it was not a normal rgb stripe.
 
Bad.

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Bummer. I really want to like this phone but the more I hear about it I'm afraid my Samsung is going no where. Not a bad thing but I want a smaller device and I need a better battery than the S4.

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