LG V40, what would you want to see?

Not positive, but I think for white point you're talking about your subjective preference for a warmer or cooler display. As an example, the S8 and S9 devices have a white point that is calibrated too low, at 6150-6250K. Smartphones, like monitors used for photograph editing, are calibrated to D65, which is 6500K. This is slightly more blue than D63, which is used for cinema content in a dark theater.

Now, I don't know which display settings you use on LG phones, but you are almost definitely not looking at Samsung phones in "basic" mode, which is the sRGB color accurate mode that they have. Out of the box, they are set to a much heavier saturated mode that skews colors a lot. The LG V20 as an example, has a white point of about 9250K, which is WAY off of the perfect setting of 6500K. It also has an extremely large Delta-E on the sRGB calibration. The LG V30 brought their white point down to about, 7825K, which cut their error percentage in half. That's an LED display, right? It's only 20% deviated from perfect, while the LG V20's LCD was 42% deviated. If you're looking at the LG V20 and thinking, "this looks good" - then that just means you have a preference for inaccurate colors.

In general, numbers higher than 6500 are going to appear more blue and numbers lower are going to appear more red - but, they're also relative to each other - the Pixel 2 XL has a white point of about 6800, which is less than 5% deviation and it will look more red than the V30 and V20, but more blue than the Note 8, which has a white point of about 6475, which is less than .5% deviation and is one of the most perfect displays out on this metric. So if you are used to the overly cool (values significantly higher than 6500K) display, than the warmer displays, even if they're still cooler than perfect, are going to look off from that subjective standpoint.

The most important thing, is that even though these displays look "more red" (warmer) than what you are used to, that does not mean they are inaccurate - quite the contrary, every device I've just named is far more acculturate on the display temperature metric than every LG flagship made in recent years. Here's a chart to display the most recent Apple, Samsung and Google devices and how they rate on color temperature:

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As you can see, compared to the industry standard - which is the same standard used for PC monitors used by professional photographers - the recent LG flagships are wildly inaccurate on color temperature. I threw in the Nexus 5X as well though, as it is produced by LG but calibrated Google's display preferences, not LG's. As you can see, the Nexus 5X was night and day better than anything LG does on its own - nearly 4 times more accurate on this metric. This supports the conclusion that this is an intentional decision being made by LG and not related to the type of display being used. The V30 and the Pixel 2 XL share display tech and are both made by LG - and the Pixel 2 XL is nearly 4 times more accurate on white point than the V30. This also supports the conclusion that LG is intentionally making their displays significantly cooler than the rest of the industry.

So to reiterate, LG is intentionally making their displays with an extremely cool color temperature that can have an immense impact on your perceptions when looking at (technically) better displays because almost all displays are going to look extremely warm compared to the wildly inaccurate temperatures of LG's display settings. This is the main reason that we use tools to measure these things, rather than eyeballing it.

That is a good explanation. But why does white always look less white than an LCD screen? According to this guy below (at 5:45) "As the brightness of the display increases, its depiction of white becomes less accurate..." I've had Samsung AMOLED phones for over 6 years, whites just don't look good to me no matter what.. I actually got sick of looking at AMOLED displays (ugly whites, warm colors and high contrast, strange "glow" to it, gray backgrounds shows a lot of flaws, try it yourself).

https://youtu.be/Unry0ZDMFrQ
 
Nowadays I see people with headphone jack dongles and a battery pack attached to their phone, it looks inconvenient...
It's extremely inconvenient. Besides the pack, you have to mess with the cable. Which pocket are you gonna put it in? Cargo pants? Man-purse?

Seriously. Why bother making the phone look pretty if you're gonna make me look bad?
 
2 batteries? The only reasons you'd need that much juice is if:

1. You didn't clear cache data or do a factory reset after updates

2. You leave your apps, gps/data/bluetooth open all the time

3. Your batteries are shot

I also have a Galaxy S7 and the G5 has about the same battery life as that.

Still, even if you had to go to the desert, it's still easier to carry 2 wafer thin batteries than a battery pack + cable.

Your theories are incorrect about my usage and my current phone lasts all day with some rare exceptions. For example, this week I'm at Disney and I have a battery pack in my backpack. If I need to top off my pack has quick charge capability. I throw my phone in the bag on charge at my convenience. I don't need it on a normal basis but it works for me. If you like removable batteries that's your call.
 
Nowadays I see people with headphone jack dongles and a battery pack attached to their phone, it looks inconvenient...

Headphone jack dongles are minimally intrusive at best. You've made clear in the in just about every thread you create or post that they are not for you. In any event I think we are way off topic.
 
Headphone jack dongles are minimally intrusive at best. You've made clear in the in just about every thread you create or post that they are not for you. In any event I think we are way off topic.

Are you defending the removal of headphone sockets from phones?!
 
Are you defending the removal of headphone sockets from phones?!

No...just stating a fact based on my experience. They are a minimal inconvenience. They only true drawback is not being able to listen and charge simultaneously in which case they make adapters. By the way I never need to do that. I actually find the dongle is an improvement in sound on the Google Pixel. Even more so if you use the HTC or Razer dongle. The Razer dongle is so good it comes close in sound to the V series Quad DAC and you don't need Hi impedance headphones to trigger full output.
 
No...just stating a fact based on my experience. They are a minimal inconvenience. They only true drawback is not being able to listen and charge simultaneously in which case they make adapters. By the way I never need to do that. I actually find the dongle is an improvement in sound on the Google Pixel. Even more so if you use the HTC or Razer dongle. The Razer dongle is so good it comes close in sound to the V series Quad DAC and you don't need Hi impedance headphones to trigger full output.

I have asked this question before and never got an answer - do the dongles contain a DAC, or are they just passive passthrough devices?

If they do contain a DAC, that would make any decision to remove the headphone socket even more stupid!
 
That is a good explanation. But why does white always look less white than an LCD screen? According to this guy below (at 5:45) "As the brightness of the display increases, its depiction of white becomes less accurate..." I've had Samsung AMOLED phones for over 6 years, whites just don't look good to me no matter what.. I actually got sick of looking at AMOLED displays (ugly whites, warm colors and high contrast, strange "glow" to it, gray backgrounds shows a lot of flaws, try it yourself).

https://youtu.be/Unry0ZDMFrQ

I watched the video, one issue with it is that they used the OnePlus 5. The OnePlus 5 has white calibrated horribly, to about 8000k, which is going to make white look very blue compared to a perfectly calibrated display and it also has horrible color calibration, with a Delta-E of 1.65. For comparison, the Note 8, every recent iPhone, the S9, Pixel 2 XL, etc. which all have a Delta-E of <= 0.5 (with the entire list there except the Note 8 being < 0.3).

Looking at a poorly calibrated LED compared to an even more poorly calibrated LCD display is going to give you some misleading results. The better comparison would be to put the iPhone X next to the iPhone 8. That gives you 2 of the top 5 displays in the world, both calibrated as closely to perfect and, more importantly, as closely to each other as possible and using the same or very similar color profiles to display content.

A key point is that white is based on how the display is calibrated. So again, if the IPS and LCD are both perfectly calibrated then whites are going to look identical, because both will have the exact same relative temperature (6500K). Warm and cool color temp are both side effects of poor calibration and are not inherent to the type of display used.

And to reiterate that last point - "ugly whites, warm colors, etc, etc" are all side effects of poorly calibrated displays, not side effects of the type of display being used. If you used Samsung phones for 6 years and were not using their "basic" profile, then you were looking at a poorly calibrated display. If you have been using LG devices, with the exception of the V30 and G7, you were guaranteed looking at a poorly calibrated display. Neither Samsung or the older LG devices are going to provide you with a good apples to apples comparison of display tech. The best way to check this out in reality, if you want to do an anecdotal test, would be to take the S9+ in basic mode and the LG G7 and compare those two displays. Or, as indicated earlier - use the iPhone X and the iPhone 8+.

The guy in the video did also clearly state that he prefers OLED displays as the superior tech in mobile devices, such as cell phones but he prefers IPS displays on laptops.
 
Headphone jack dongles are minimally intrusive at best. You've made clear in the in just about every thread you create or post that they are not for you. In any event I think we are way off topic.

OP was talking about the inconvenience of the battery pack vs spare batteries. Not sure why you're defending the dongle, it's inconvenient, period. People lose them, you have to bring them everywhere you go. Also, you can't charge while listening. Don't be biased, even tech reviewers/experts say it was unnecessary to remove the headphone jack. Only costs a few cents to add the headphone jack (but they can make money selling their junk Bluetooth earphones, #1 reason why they did it).
 
No...just stating a fact based on my experience. They are a minimal inconvenience. They only true drawback is not being able to listen and charge simultaneously in which case they make adapters. By the way I never need to do that. I actually find the dongle is an improvement in sound on the Google Pixel. Even more so if you use the HTC or Razer dongle. The Razer dongle is so good it comes close in sound to the V series Quad DAC and you don't need Hi impedance headphones to trigger full output.

Ur only saying it bc you have a Pixel 2 XL.. come on, that was unexcusable to remove the headphone jack... They even advertise the headphone jack on their Pixel 1, remember? It's all about money... Google making dough selling those piece of junk Bluetooth earphones.. BTW Google Pixels were never the best seller, Pixel Chromebooks are overpowered junk and unnecessary.

Explain this: why does the thin Google Chromebooks have 2 USB C ports and a headphone jack? But the Pixel phone doesn't? I thought the headphone jack was dead, why include it in the Chromebook? The reason is because the Pixel Buds... greedy non-innovative Google trying to profit however The Pixel 2 sales were disapponting.. they had to pretend to be "out of stock" to increase hype... Sad.. Google needs to STOP buying out other companies out and bring back innovation of their own... (Look at what they did to Songza, bought them out then shut them down, then redirected people to Google Play music..) Playing it safe and only focusing on profit. Talk about Monopoly.



Google Pixelbook:

Specs

7th-gen Intel Core i5 or i7 processor
8GB or 16GB of RAM
128GB SSD, 256GB SSD, or 512GB NVMe
Two USB-C ports with fast-charging
>>>> Headphone jack <<<<
720p front-facing camera
Four microphones
Two speakers
Bluetooth 4.2

Why have a headphone jack on the Chromebook Pixel, but not Pixel 2? Answer: Force people to get Google Pixel Buds.
 
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It's extremely inconvenient. Besides the pack, you have to mess with the cable. Which pocket are you gonna put it in? Cargo pants? Man-purse?

Seriously. Why bother making the phone look pretty if you're gonna make me look bad?

Haha yeah, a giant lump of a battery pack and cables going in and out of pockets... Unfortunately the mobile phone industry is mainly focused to looks than practicality... The V20 was slammed for looking "ugly". We are becoming more "materialistic" more than ever, appearance and vanity... HTC's main feature is how shiney the back looks, that's all they boast.. wow, really? Sooner or later we'll have to rely on kick starter campaigns for a utility smartphone... Maybe I should start one??
 
Mod Note: Disagreements are fine but getting into personal jabs and such just isn't needed. Some posts have been cleaned.
 
At risk of stating the obvious, having no headphone socket means that you need an adaptor to connect your headphones to your phone.

There is no upside.

I use only bluetooth in my truck, at work, and at home. I see no upside to having one or not having one TBH. If it is there it is useless to me if it isn't .. well .. it was useless anyway. Again this is for my needs but that is why everyone has different requirements for phones :).
 
I get the argument for wanting the 3.5 mm jack, but I don't think very many of its advocates are sincere in their consideration of the OEMs actual motivations for design and feature options.

Apple is discussing removing the charging port entirely within the next 5 years. That decision is not entirely based on wanting to sell wireless chargers. So it may be helpful to stop and think about what other motivations they may have for that move, from a engineering and design standpoint.

The same would be true for the headphone jack. We've talked about this in other threads with motivations that range from eliminating redundancy, increasing build quality, capitalizing on opportunity cost, and others. Yet the forums repeatedly go on and on about saving money and copying Apple. Both arguments might have a tiny kernel of truth to them, but pretending either are the primary motivation is immature. This is clearly a decision made by design and engineering and not being made by marketing.
 
I have asked this question before and never got an answer - do the dongles contain a DAC, or are they just passive passthrough devices?

If they do contain a DAC, that would make any decision to remove the headphone socket even more stupid!

Motos were pass thru but most aren't. Since you don't understand the benefits of an external DAC it's a bit much to call it stupid but if it's stupid to you that's ok....I disagree because I've seen the benefits but you don't have to agree.
 
OP was talking about the inconvenience of the battery pack vs spare batteries. Not sure why you're defending the dongle, it's inconvenient, period. People lose them, you have to bring them everywhere you go. Also, you can't charge while listening. Don't be biased, even tech reviewers/experts say it was unnecessary to remove the headphone jack. Only costs a few cents to add the headphone jack (but they can make money selling their junk Bluetooth earphones, #1 reason why they did it).

I'm not biased....I can make my own decisions. I like the dongle and I see the benefits.
 

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