New Virgin phone, Motorola Triumph | JULY19 | $300

[Lanzeelus]

some good points and all but this is a very apples and oranges comparison you're doing. you can't really compare the two phones that much since the Glory comes out in NOVEMBER ffs! it's practically a 2012 phone, you can't compare that to a Q2 2011 phone accurately. by then, who knows how much the price of the Triumph will be let alone what other new offerings VM might have that will potentially blow those supposed specs out of the water. also, the differences you mentioned are pretty crucial selling points for some. .1" of screen might be small yes, but front facing camera and 720p recording/hdmi out are pretty big features, almost standard for high end android phones nowadays, to be missing on a phone to be released nearly at the end of this year. and we still don't know the official price of the Triumph either, best buy more often than not does indeed contradict their name. and last but not least, it's two different carriers as well, so while one might be better than the other hardware wise, you still have to factor in the differences between the companies that make said hardware worth it's salt. The Glory might be "better" on paper, but i wouldn't likely switch to Cricket in order to take advantage of those improvements. one thing i definitely agree on is that the Triumph will likely NOT be twice as good as the Optimus V, thus negating to warrant a price tag twice as big. however, both of these attributes, price and performance, still remain to be truly seen. my two pennies. :]

Well that is a good point, but I don't think you can call a phone that comes out on July 19 a Q2 phone while also calling a phone that comes out this Fall a 2012 phone. You seem to be stretching the phones as far away from each other as possible. And I do not think that July 19 to the Fall is going to be that drastic of a change from the prepaid perspective. While yes, the big postpaid peoples MAY be getting their Quad Core phones with ass-scratching capabilities, but the big intuitive jumps that the prepaid market makes very often lag behind the postpaid's leaps. Just because the postpaid has Quad Core, doesn't mean we are going to get yesterday's Dual Core right away. The Optimus 2X started the Dual Core leap back in Q1. Two of the alphabet's most unpopular letter later and we're getting our first 1 GHz phone that looks like it could take a bite out of a brick. Even by Q4 this year we are still likely to be receiving the postpaid's leftovers, especially since so far, we only have two phones announced that are considered prepaid powerhouses. If history really repeats itself, we probably won't be seeing our Dual Core phones until Boost and MetroPCS catch up.

And of those three things, I would say the front facing camera is really the closest thing to a selling point the Triumph may have over the Glory. With such a margin in the specs, no one is going to care that the Triumph has an ever so slightly bigger screen, and honestly, I've never really seen anyone actually make use of the HDMI out. It is a nice feature to have, but I doubt it is something most people would downgrade for. And I even imagine some people may not find much use for the front facing camera. Obviously it can be used for video chat, but there are a few drawbacks that come with it. First, both ends need a front facing camera for it to be useful. While a lot of people have them, I'm sure there are just as many people if, not more, that DON'T have them. If no one you know can video chat besides you, what good is this feature. Another problem is that when we look at all the beating that Virgin Mobile's data speeds take from the insane amount of users and people who abuse the hotspot on the OV, it is highly unlikely that video chat would even work on 3G. This means you need WiFi to use this feature, which narrows down the number of people to use this feature with down even more. There is also the fact that the Triumph comes with FroYo and doesn't come with a native video chat service. You can always download one from the Market, but that requires work, and unfortunately I know people that would be overwhelmed by how much "work" it is. Honestly, the FFC is more of a somewhat useful novelty. Same with the HDMI out. And there are also people who actually DO buy the Intercept instead of the Optimus because the Intercept because they look at the processor clock speeds and say "800 is more than 600! I KNOW MATH!" and proceed to shred 200 hard earned dollars for the most technologically advanced paperweight ever made. The processor alone will very likely sway people towards the Glory.

And about the different carriers, why do people sell their souls to the big 4? Why would someone pay $79.99 for data and texting with some minutes on Sprint when they could get unlimited everything for $20 less on Virgin Mobile? Yes, there are things like roaming and 4G, but what makes these bigger, more expensive carriers worth it to so many people? Those amazing top-of-the-line phones. People pay more for less on these carriers all the time just so they can have better phones. Even though there are more economically conscious people in the prepaid market, there are still people who switch to other carriers for better phones. This goes for just about anyone who has the $45 and $60 plans on VM. On straight talk $45 gets you unlimited everything. The only reason people who pay that much on VM are on VM is because VM offers better phones. With the Glory looking so much more appealing than the Triumph, I'm sure a lot of people will make there way over to Cricket to have the prepaid masterpiece.

 

[Retorrent]

Well that is a good point, but I don't think you can call a phone that comes out on July 19 a Q2 phone while also calling a phone that comes out this Fall a 2012 phone. You seem to be stretching the phones as far away from each other as possible. And I do not think that July 19 to the Fall is going to be that drastic of a change from the prepaid perspective. While yes, the big postpaid peoples MAY be getting their Quad Core phones with ass-scratching capabilities, but the big intuitive jumps that the prepaid market makes very often lag behind the postpaid's leaps. Just because the postpaid has Quad Core, doesn't mean we are going to get yesterday's Dual Core right away. The Optimus 2X started the Dual Core leap back in Q1. Two of the alphabet's most unpopular letter later and we're getting our first 1 GHz phone that looks like it could take a bite out of a brick. Even by Q4 this year we are still likely to be receiving the postpaid's leftovers, especially since so far, we only have two phones announced that are considered prepaid powerhouses. If history really repeats itself, we probably won't be seeing our Dual Core phones until Boost and MetroPCS catch up.

And of those three things, I would say the front facing camera is really the closest thing to a selling point the Triumph may have over the Glory. With such a margin in the specs, no one is going to care that the Triumph has an ever so slightly bigger screen, and honestly, I've never really seen anyone actually make use of the HDMI out. It is a nice feature to have, but I doubt it is something most people would downgrade for. And I even imagine some people may not find much use for the front facing camera. Obviously it can be used for video chat, but there are a few drawbacks that come with it. First, both ends need a front facing camera for it to be useful. While a lot of people have them, I'm sure there are just as many people if, not more, that DON'T have them. If no one you know can video chat besides you, what good is this feature. Another problem is that when we look at all the beating that Virgin Mobile's data speeds take from the insane amount of users and people who abuse the hotspot on the OV, it is highly unlikely that video chat would even work on 3G. This means you need WiFi to use this feature, which narrows down the number of people to use this feature with down even more. There is also the fact that the Triumph comes with FroYo and doesn't come with a native video chat service. You can always download one from the Market, but that requires work, and unfortunately I know people that would be overwhelmed by how much "work" it is. Honestly, the FFC is more of a somewhat useful novelty. Same with the HDMI out. And there are also people who actually DO buy the Intercept instead of the Optimus because the Intercept because they look at the processor clock speeds and say "800 is more than 600! I KNOW MATH!" and proceed to shred 200 hard earned dollars for the most technologically advanced paperweight ever made. The processor alone will very likely sway people towards the Glory.

And about the different carriers, why do people sell their souls to the big 4? Why would someone pay $79.99 for data and texting with some minutes on Sprint when they could get unlimited everything for $20 less on Virgin Mobile? Yes, there are things like roaming and 4G, but what makes these bigger, more expensive carriers worth it to so many people? Those amazing top-of-the-line phones. People pay more for less on these carriers all the time just so they can have better phones. Even though there are more economically conscious people in the prepaid market, there are still people who switch to other carriers for better phones. This goes for just about anyone who has the $45 and $60 plans on VM. On straight talk $45 gets you unlimited everything. The only reason people who pay that much on VM are on VM is because VM offers better phones. With the Glory looking so much more appealing than the Triumph, I'm sure a lot of people will make there way over to Cricket to have the prepaid masterpiece.

Your also forgetting the big selling point for the Triumph is the price. On cricket their android plan is $55 a month, there is no tired pricing like there is on the V. Sure its for unlimited but if you factor that bill plus the phone it means your spending a lot more money for that phone. So lets say the Glory goes for the same price of the Triumph at $299 add that to the cost of two years of service and it comes out to $1619 for the phone and two years of service. Now the Triumph is going for $299 and the service is 25 for the lowest paid times so it comes out to $899 for two years. If people want to almost pay double for phone service that's on them. Far as I'm concerned cricket can keep their phone for that price.

 

[Lanzeelus]

Your also forgetting the big selling point for the Triumph is the price. On cricket their android plan is $55 a month, there is no tired pricing like there is on the V. Sure its for unlimited but if you factor that bill plus the phone it means your spending a lot more money for that phone. So lets say the Glory goes for the same price of the Triumph at $299 add that to the cost of two years of service and it comes out to $1619 for the phone and two years of service. Now the Triumph is going for $299 and the service is 25 for the lowest paid times so it comes out to $899 for two years. If people want to almost pay double for phone service that's on them. Far as I'm concerned cricket can keep their phone for that price.

Actually I mentioned that in that last paragraph. People are willing to pay more for plans if it means they will get a better phone. Even on prepaid. When people consider paying extra a month for a better phone they think of it as 10 or 30 dollars extra a month rather than 240 or 720 extra dollars over the course of two years. For most people, the price of the phone itself will make a bigger impact on their decision than the extra month they'll be paying. Does it make sense? No. Is it smart? No. But this is how the average customer works. In case the iPhone didn't make it evidently clear, the average customer isn't exactly above idiocy.

And this also isn't the point I'm making. Set aside the different carriers' pricings for a minute. If both the Triumph and the Glory were available for $299 at the same monthly rate, which do you think people are going to buy? There's no doubt that the Glory is the better bang for your without-a-plan buck. So my point to those saying $299 is a good price point for this phone is that the phone itself is not at a very good price point compared to another prepaid carrier and compared to its own LG Optimus V.

 

[Grimmlokk]

So my point to those saying $299 is a good price point for this phone is that the phone itself is not at a very good price point compared to another prepaid carrier and compared to its own LG Optimus V.

This is pretty much where I'm coming down on the issue.

At my imaginary $249 price point this was basically a no-brainer for me. If it really comes in at $299 though I'll have a harder time convincing myself it's such a great idea. Even coming from my dumbphone.

 

[LeslieAnn]

I agree all that crapware they are going to have on it is going to just kill the battery life on it. Now if its a nice clean stock ROM (doubt it!) then it may have decent battery life.

It's not clean, videos of it show the same apps as the Optimus and the sales people confirmed at the time it woudl have them. Virgin sees them as "enhancements" and some are helping subsidize the phone.

What gets me is that they sold the Blackberry clean and what they did include could be removed.
You could even load custom "roms" on it.

,i think a lot of people are upset that they cannot install custom Roms on it and trying to knock the phone before it is even available,i will wait for a review before i make the leap.

Not trying to knock it.
We are just comparing the two and trying to decide if it's worth changing to.

IF they released it clean, I wouldn't worry about a custom rom.
Look at what Harmonia is, it's essentially a clean stock rom with extra space. Nothing shocking about it, no special features really. It runs well because it's clean is all. And how many people use it? Total downloads for Aphrodite and Harmonia reaches into the thousands. Same with Stock + Xionia, how many flocked to that? There are probably thousands of downloads for that alone.

I don't care about a custom rom, and I make one! I want a smooth running phone is all. The other day I went 48 hours and still had 7% remaining on my battery with light use and no battery tricks. Try that on stock. THAT is why I want to be able to mod the Triumph were I to buy one. You can't do that on a stock OV and you won't on a Triumph either.


As for my other knocks on it...
I own an Optimus, so this phone needs to make it worth it to spend another $300 to get something better than what I have and frankly, my phone, runs F'ing FANTASTIC! Seriously, if you haven't compared a stock OV to a good custom rom, you have no idea the difference.

Then there are those stupid buttons.
Those buttons do not work with fingernails, guess what I have? Those buttons on my Shuttle were almost impossible to use even with my nails trimmed to almost nothing. Grow them out even the slightest bit and it was almost impossible to use.

And forget using them with gloves on. My OV works with my riding gloves on just fine (surprisingly), even my Blackberry I had to take them off for it to work.

They are a STUPID button design that I won't go back to.


I'm not trash talking the Triumph, it has some great features. I'm just not convinced it's worth replacing my V for, which is something everyone here with a V (pretty much everyone here) has to consider.

 

[vizzy]

Well that is a good point, but I don't think you can call a phone that comes out on July 19 a Q2 phone while also calling a phone that comes out this Fall a 2012 phone. You seem to be stretching the phones as far away from each other as possible. And I do not think that July 19 to the Fall is going to be that drastic of a change from the prepaid perspective. While yes, the big postpaid peoples MAY be getting their Quad Core phones with ass-scratching capabilities, but the big intuitive jumps that the prepaid market makes very often lag behind the postpaid's leaps. Just because the postpaid has Quad Core, doesn't mean we are going to get yesterday's Dual Core right away. The Optimus 2X started the Dual Core leap back in Q1. Two of the alphabet's most unpopular letter later and we're getting our first 1 GHz phone that looks like it could take a bite out of a brick. Even by Q4 this year we are still likely to be receiving the postpaid's leftovers, especially since so far, we only have two phones announced that are considered prepaid powerhouses. If history really repeats itself, we probably won't be seeing our Dual Core phones until Boost and MetroPCS catch up.

And of those three things, I would say the front facing camera is really the closest thing to a selling point the Triumph may have over the Glory. With such a margin in the specs, no one is going to care that the Triumph has an ever so slightly bigger screen, and honestly, I've never really seen anyone actually make use of the HDMI out. It is a nice feature to have, but I doubt it is something most people would downgrade for. And I even imagine some people may not find much use for the front facing camera. Obviously it can be used for video chat, but there are a few drawbacks that come with it. First, both ends need a front facing camera for it to be useful. While a lot of people have them, I'm sure there are just as many people if, not more, that DON'T have them. If no one you know can video chat besides you, what good is this feature. Another problem is that when we look at all the beating that Virgin Mobile's data speeds take from the insane amount of users and people who abuse the hotspot on the OV, it is highly unlikely that video chat would even work on 3G. This means you need WiFi to use this feature, which narrows down the number of people to use this feature with down even more. There is also the fact that the Triumph comes with FroYo and doesn't come with a native video chat service. You can always download one from the Market, but that requires work, and unfortunately I know people that would be overwhelmed by how much "work" it is. Honestly, the FFC is more of a somewhat useful novelty. Same with the HDMI out. And there are also people who actually DO buy the Intercept instead of the Optimus because the Intercept because they look at the processor clock speeds and say "800 is more than 600! I KNOW MATH!" and proceed to shred 200 hard earned dollars for the most technologically advanced paperweight ever made. The processor alone will very likely sway people towards the Glory.

And about the different carriers, why do people sell their souls to the big 4? Why would someone pay $79.99 for data and texting with some minutes on Sprint when they could get unlimited everything for $20 less on Virgin Mobile? Yes, there are things like roaming and 4G, but what makes these bigger, more expensive carriers worth it to so many people? Those amazing top-of-the-line phones. People pay more for less on these carriers all the time just so they can have better phones. Even though there are more economically conscious people in the prepaid market, there are still people who switch to other carriers for better phones. This goes for just about anyone who has the $45 and $60 plans on VM. On straight talk $45 gets you unlimited everything. The only reason people who pay that much on VM are on VM is because VM offers better phones. With the Glory looking so much more appealing than the Triumph, I'm sure a lot of people will make there way over to Cricket to have the prepaid masterpiece.

i love that people here can have calm and civilized debates without resorting to anger, frustration or flaming! you make some excellent counter points, but allow me to clarify some things. the official release for the Triumph lists it as a Q2 phone so that is the only reason i was calling it one. for it to be a true Q2 phone iirc it would have to come out before the first few days of July. that probably won't happen, and even if it did it would still be more of a Q3 phone than a Q2 phone, but it's still not impossible. everyone going by the 7/19 date and $300 pricetag because of a magazine leak and Best Buy's pre-order, which while both may be true, strikes me as a little naive and foolhardy. it might appear i was stretching time and polarizing the two phones for emphasis but i really wasn't intentionally doing so and for the record i didn't call the Glory a 2012 phone, i just said it was PRACTICALLY a 2012 phone...big difference. ;]

but being realistic and calling a spade a spade, we still have quite a polarity between the two releases. we still have to face the facts; November is a long ways away and that is when the Glory is tentatively slated for release. it's not even November 1st officially, it could be November 30th for all we know meaning it could potentially be released 1 month away from 2012. that was my reason for it practically being a 2012 phone and for calling it an apples & oranges comparison, as you're comparing a late Q2/early Q3 phone with a mid/late Q4 phone. it would be like comparing the Glory to a phone VM will release in March or April 2012, not really fair is it? and once again, who knows what will be out from VM by the time the Glory comes out! i have a feeling that given they have such a early warning of the Glory, they will be working hard to beat it to the punch, which is why it probably would have been smarter of Cricket to be more secretive until the release date was closer, much like VM did with the Triumph. not only that but by November, the Glory will literally be old news as a result of such marketing tactics, effectively taking away a lot of the "ohhh & ahhh" factor that the Triumph is currently taking advantage of, and perhaps to the point of abuse haha! VM is definitely the superior service, for me at least, so i would be hard pressed to be swayed by something like processor speed in order to switch over to inferior and much more expensive service like Cricket ($25 a month vs $55 a month is a HUGE difference to be considered over the overall cost and features of two phones). hell i'm not even that concerned about the Triumph over my OV despite the increased processor speed, i think the only two things that i'm only slightly intrigued by are the extra screen real estate/higher resolution and the 720p video capture, the latter being somewhat of a gimmick but still a useful feature to have if you own a 50" hdtv as i do. since actual performance and battery life, as well as price and the state of it's bootloader, remain to be seen, everything is still up in the air with the Triumph for me. but one thing is certain, it's an EXCELLENT step in the right direction for prepaid smartphones! :]

all that said, i think we are both coming from two ends of the same spectrum so it would probably be best for us to agree to disagree. :]

 

[thexxoffspring]

Well that is a good point, but I don't think you can call a phone that comes out on July 19 a Q2 phone while also calling a phone that comes out this Fall a 2012 phone. You seem to be stretching the phones as far away from each other as possible. And I do not think that July 19 to the Fall is going to be that drastic of a change from the prepaid perspective. While yes, the big postpaid peoples MAY be getting their Quad Core phones with ass-scratching capabilities, but the big intuitive jumps that the prepaid market makes very often lag behind the postpaid's leaps. Just because the postpaid has Quad Core, doesn't mean we are going to get yesterday's Dual Core right away. The Optimus 2X started the Dual Core leap back in Q1. Two of the alphabet's most unpopular letter later and we're getting our first 1 GHz phone that looks like it could take a bite out of a brick. Even by Q4 this year we are still likely to be receiving the postpaid's leftovers, especially since so far, we only have two phones announced that are considered prepaid powerhouses. If history really repeats itself, we probably won't be seeing our Dual Core phones until Boost and MetroPCS catch up.

And of those three things, I would say the front facing camera is really the closest thing to a selling point the Triumph may have over the Glory. With such a margin in the specs, no one is going to care that the Triumph has an ever so slightly bigger screen, and honestly, I've never really seen anyone actually make use of the HDMI out. It is a nice feature to have, but I doubt it is something most people would downgrade for. And I even imagine some people may not find much use for the front facing camera. Obviously it can be used for video chat, but there are a few drawbacks that come with it. First, both ends need a front facing camera for it to be useful. While a lot of people have them, I'm sure there are just as many people if, not more, that DON'T have them. If no one you know can video chat besides you, what good is this feature. Another problem is that when we look at all the beating that Virgin Mobile's data speeds take from the insane amount of users and people who abuse the hotspot on the OV, it is highly unlikely that video chat would even work on 3G. This means you need WiFi to use this feature, which narrows down the number of people to use this feature with down even more. There is also the fact that the Triumph comes with FroYo and doesn't come with a native video chat service. You can always download one from the Market, but that requires work, and unfortunately I know people that would be overwhelmed by how much "work" it is. Honestly, the FFC is more of a somewhat useful novelty. Same with the HDMI out. And there are also people who actually DO buy the Intercept instead of the Optimus because the Intercept because they look at the processor clock speeds and say "800 is more than 600! I KNOW MATH!" and proceed to shred 200 hard earned dollars for the most technologically advanced paperweight ever made. The processor alone will very likely sway people towards the Glory.

And about the different carriers, why do people sell their souls to the big 4? Why would someone pay $79.99 for data and texting with some minutes on Sprint when they could get unlimited everything for $20 less on Virgin Mobile? Yes, there are things like roaming and 4G, but what makes these bigger, more expensive carriers worth it to so many people? Those amazing top-of-the-line phones. People pay more for less on these carriers all the time just so they can have better phones. Even though there are more economically conscious people in the prepaid market, there are still people who switch to other carriers for better phones. This goes for just about anyone who has the $45 and $60 plans on VM. On straight talk $45 gets you unlimited everything. The only reason people who pay that much on VM are on VM is because VM offers better phones. With the Glory looking so much more appealing than the Triumph, I'm sure a lot of people will make there way over to Cricket to have the prepaid masterpiece.

"Ass-scratching capabilities" lmao

 

[Eollie]

Now the Triumph is going for $299 and the service is 25 for the lowest paid times so it comes out to $899 for two years. If people want to almost pay double for phone service that's on them. Far as I'm concerned cricket can keep their phone for that price.

I think you have been around long enough to see how many people tried to get sipgate and all of the other methods of using voip to work so they could just pay the 25 bucks a month. But until recently there hasnt been a reliable method to do this. So if you use the 300 minutes up in the first week you might as well just get the 60 dollar plan. The bet part of the VM plans is you can change them whenever you want. I know most carriers will let you, but having to call and listen to a sales pitch always irked me. Then you also have to make sure the only thing they were changing was the minutes and not your whole stinking plan.

Also think of this, how many people buy a android phone because its teh cool thing now? Ive seen people with android phones that didnt know it could make voip calls. And some of the things my phone does they commented man I wish my phone would do that. Then I loaded the app and they looked at me like Im some kind of god. These are people that will pay the 60 bucks a month so they can brag they have unlimited everything. And honestly its a bigger part of the market then you probably would think.

I think Ive said from the beginning if this phone released for a decent price I would consider upgrading in time. But as the days pass and more info is "leaked" about it and honestly the fact it IS a Motorola phone is making me not want it. Motorola might say we will not lock the bootloader but if VM says lock it assholes. It will be locked. How? The normal super duper sekret encrypted method or the typical way other manufacturers are doing it?


There are features on this phone I REALLY like. But those features just dont weigh enough for me to commit before the phone is in the wild to say Im buying it on release day.

 

[Lanzeelus]

I just read how this is probably a re-branded huawei ascend x or something like that...
Any thoughts on this?
Quality....
Support...
Locked boot loader...
General Bad News, the Triumph may be a rebadged low quality Huawei - Android Forums

Yeah I mentioned that to. It definitely is a rebranded Huawei Ideos X6 (and so is the Ascend X). Virgin Mobile had Motorola brand it as there own because they probably figured people wouldn't buy a phone from some company they've never heard that. That and I'm guessing they may have had too much pride to visibly use such a phone.

But really, you can easily tell the phone is an Ideos X6 because:

• The phones match spec for spec aside from only a few minor differences like the CDMA radio in the Triumph. Even the dimensions and weight appear to be exactly the same.
• The two phones look almost exactly alike. Same form factor, the screens end in the same places on both phones, both are made with a lot of soft touch plastic.
• The Triumph is the only Motorola phone to have a 4.1" screen. To make a phone with a differently sized screen than they've ever made would require quite a bit of extra work, and why would they go through all that extra work for Virgin Mobile when they could just easily use a 4" or 3.7" display. Personally, I don't think Virgin would have cared if the screen was .1" smaller.
• Virgin Mobile was looking to make this phone as cheap as possible. When has Motorola ever been known for making cheap phones? It would be a lot cheaper to rebrand an existing phone that no one has ever seen.

 

[bjones72751]

The fact is though that its double the price of the optimus. $100 over the intercept (which still confuses me as to why it costs more than the optimus). I managed to pull together $200, figuring to put $50 extra into it, but at $300, Idk if it'll happen. Still hopeful that it'll be less at radioshack, target, or Walmart. The main feature that interests me us the HDMI out. My wife just HAD to have a wii, so at the moment I can't stream Netflix in HD. Plus the camera flash, seeing as how my phone quite often doubles as a flashlight. And also, with it running a 480x800 resolution I'll have access to the WHOLE android market, not just the apps that are compatible with the optimus.

Sent from my VM670 using tapatalk

 

[pcp135]

It seems to me that pre-paid is still considered a secondary or lower priority market for wireless providers. It may be the only reason that we get all unlimited plan for $60 whereas Spring won't give you anything comparable unless you spend $30 more plus taxes. Hopefully, things are changing and moving a bit towards the European version where have unsubsidized phones but decent option for plans.

 

[mmarz]

It seems to me that pre-paid is still considered a secondary or lower priority market for wireless providers. It may be the only reason that we get all unlimited plan for $60 whereas Spring won't give you anything comparable unless you spend $30 more plus taxes. Hopefully, things are changing and moving a bit towards the European version where have unsubsidized phones but decent option for plans.

Those people paying $30 more are subsidizing the network that we use. I'm fine being in the minority if that means we get cheaper phone plans. More Sprint users!

But you also have to realize that perpaid is a different product: no roaming, no night time/weekend minutes, and of course, no flexibility on billing. Not everybody's cup of tea.

 

[Lanzeelus]

Then there are those stupid buttons.
Those buttons do not work with fingernails, guess what I have? Those buttons on my Shuttle were almost impossible to use even with my nails trimmed to almost nothing. Grow them out even the slightest bit and it was almost impossible to use.

And forget using them with gloves on. My OV works with my riding gloves on just fine (surprisingly), even my Blackberry I had to take them off for it to work.

They are a STUPID button design that I won't go back to.

I'm not sure how the Shuttle's touch-sensitive buttons worked, but the Intercept's and the Triumph's Android buttons are capacitive buttons. I'm pretty sure they use the same sensors as the touch screen itself. The Intercept's touch screen sucked, so therefore, the capacitive buttons sucked. From the sounds of it you have no problem using the touch screen on the Optimus, so I'm assuming your fingernails aren't in the way? Obviously you're doing something different with the screen than you did with the buttons. The button design itself isn't stupid. The Shuttle sucked and Samsung's just stupid. If the Optimus had touch buttons instead of physical ones I doubt you would be complaining.

 

[bjones72751]

I'm not sure how the Shuttle's touch-sensitive buttons worked, but the Intercept's and the Triumph's Android buttons are capacitive buttons. I'm pretty sure they use the same sensors as the touch screen itself. The Intercept's touch screen sucked, so therefore, the capacitive buttons sucked. From the sounds of it you have no problem using the touch screen on the Optimus, so I'm assuming your fingernails aren't in the way? Obviously you're doing something different with the screen than you did with the buttons. The button design itself isn't stupid. The Shuttle sucked and Samsung's just stupid. If the Optimus had touch buttons instead of physical ones I doubt you would be complaining.

You have to think that when you're holding your phone in your hand. The lower you move your thumb, the less finger contact you'll have because you end up pushing with your thumbnail. I know I don't move my whole hand just to push the back button, just my thumb. I don't have fingernails to get in the way, but I can see where she (I'm assuming) is coming from.

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[staticmaal]

I know this is a stupid question but is anybody preparing for the Motorola Triumph by going back to stock? Since its gonna be while for the roms, kernels, and recoveries to be made for it. I know i am i got to get use to stock.

 

[LeslieAnn]

I know this is a stupid question but is anybody preparing for the Motorola Triumph by going back to stock? Since its gonna be while for the roms, kernels, and recoveries to be made for it. I know i am i got to get use to stock.

They already rooted the x6, so chances are it won't be long before this is. However, I don't know of any recoveries and such for it. At least you will be able to remove some of the crap once it's done. I wouldn't go back to stock unless you have to.

 

[scoutconnor]

They already rooted the x6, so chances are it won't be long before this is. However, I don't know of any recoveries and such for it. At least you will be able to remove some of the crap once it's done. I wouldn't go back to stock unless you have to.

Do you think that a dev will take on the project to make a custom recovery and/or a custom rom for it?
The only thing that I'd miss with this phone is the ability to wirelessly tether.

 

[bjones72751]

Do you think that a dev will take on the project to make a custom recovery and/or a custom rom for it?
The only thing that I'd miss with this phone is the ability to wirelessly tether.

If its anything like the ov you wont need root to wifi tether.

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[ceejay83]

If its anything like the ov you wont need root to wifi tether.

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@McShyGuy Unfortunately, Virgin Mobile does not support HotSpots so the Triumph will more than likely not be able to create them.

 

[LeslieAnn]

I'm not sure how the Shuttle's touch-sensitive buttons worked, but the Intercept's and the Triumph's Android buttons are capacitive buttons. I'm pretty sure they use the same sensors as the touch screen itself. The Intercept's touch screen sucked, so therefore, the capacitive buttons sucked. From the sounds of it you have no problem using the touch screen on the Optimus, so I'm assuming your fingernails aren't in the way? Obviously you're doing something different with the screen than you did with the buttons. The button design itself isn't stupid. The Shuttle sucked and Samsung's just stupid. If the Optimus had touch buttons instead of physical ones I doubt you would be complaining.

The screen is built to be touched, it's not covered in a sheet of plastic to disguise it.
Even computer touchpads where the manufacturer tried to blend it in, end up working horribly. Even some screen protectors make our screens dodgy. I replaced one already for this very reason.


Doesn't matter though.
I stopped in a store today and figured why not take a moment to look at some Huawei phones. They reminded me of the cheap Chinese game controller knockoffs for Playstations and such that cost about half as much as the normal ones.

Do you think that a dev will take on the project to make a custom recovery and/or a custom rom for it?
The only thing that I'd miss with this phone is the ability to wirelessly tether.

I haven't seen or heard of any communities really focused on it, but I haven't really looked.

If its anything like the ov you wont need root to wifi tether.

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The Optimus V 2.2.1 had the hotspot included, but it was hidden.
The 2.2.2 version of the Optimus has had it completely removed. In other words, they figured it out.

So no, don't count on it being able to be done without root or an app.