Nexus 7 will lead Android tablets to overtake the iPad

[natehoy]

Here is the problem with android... to many crappy models are flooding the market. You have a few good android tablets that the android lovers know about. But then u got the models that are being sold on team buy and for under 100 dollars in a department Store.

I don't see this as a disadvantage at all.

My father in law has a Pandigital Global. 5 minutes of hackery that my ten year old daughter could manage and it's now a full-on Gingerbread tablet running Firefox as its default web browser and the full Google experience (Gmail, Drive, etc). Cost him $120 and he's got a web browser he can sit in his motor home and use on his AT&T MiFi access point when he doesn't want or need to schlep out the laptop. It's got everything he needs and nothing he doesn't, and he paid $120 for it.

I picked up a Pandigital Novel for $20 that the guy who sold it to me had originally laid out less than $100 for. It only runs Android Eclair, and that after 10 minutes of hackery, but it's more than capable of running math and word games for my daughter and servign as a passable e-reader for library books from Overdrive. And if she drops it and shatters it to little teensy bits, I'm out $20 and ten minutes of reading instructions on a forum to hack it. Boo hoo.

I've got a Nexus 7. For $250, I get something that more than meets my needs to watch TV in the evening, surf the web, check Facebook, read books, and many other things.

Apple makes great products. But they don't currently make a tablet in a price range that I'd consider for the uses I intend to put it to. The beauty of the current Android marketspace is that I can find exactly what I want at a cost I'm willing to pay. I don't have to buy a device that's utter overkill.

When the iPad 7" comes out, if I'm in the market for a high-end 7" tablet, it'll most certainly be among my list of candidates. But Android has already drawn me out of the iTunes infrastructure, so that's a factor in my decision (as it will be for folks who are still heavily invested in the iTunes infrastructure - for them it will be a point in Apple's favor).

Competition = fun.

 

[crackberrytraitor]

Who cares? I don't see a point in your post other then to profile people and call them names because they prefer once laptop over another. Do you buy coke or Pepsi? Ford or Chevy? Charmin or Cottonelle? Get what I'm saying?

I buy what I like. I'm typing this on my iPad while my N7 sits next to me. Maybe next post I'll use the N7.

I'm sorry, but in my opinion, if somebody spray paints a Pepsi and sticks on a new label and you pay three times as much for it, you're an idiot. Referring more to Mac computers here, though.

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[natehoy]

I'm not real sure Google created this niche. But they sure are exploiting it!

Arguable either way, I guess. The Tab7's sales are not high enough to be a niche creator, and the Fire and Nook aren't honestly tablets being locked pretty heavily into their own infrastructures. But there certainly was a decent market for 7" devices.

In any case, Google took the existing fuel and set it on fire. Whether they created the niche or just leveraged (and in the process expanded it to the point where Apple felt the need to finally respond) is a matter of debate.

The next year is going to be fun. Some sort of critical mass appears to be happening with the glut of affordable and portable tablets, and once Apple joins the party it's gonna be some good competitive times.

 

[adamfrayne182]

^^ This.

Please, someone, kill this thread. It's come full circle and then some. Let it die.

I agree. Never ending debate.

 

[NickA]

I'm sorry, but in my opinion, if somebody spray paints a Pepsi and sticks on a new label and you pay three times as much for it, you're an idiot. Referring more to Mac computers here, though.

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Why are people such haters? You hate Apple because they are a successful business? Do you want them to under price their products and lose money? And that fancy smartphone you (and I) carry around... Some pay the subsidized price, but do you know how much you actually pay for that phone over the life of the contract? Manufactures and companies squeeze as much money out of a consumer as they are willing to pay. That's the real world, welcome to it.

I'm not sure of your age, but you know how it works by now. You pay more for items that are desired more. People are will pay more for the stuff they want. And it's just "stuff", material items that mean nothing.

Again, it comes down to choice. So I'm in idiot because of certain things I buy? Do you buy Pepsi or a generic brand of Cola? When you buy groceries, do you buy brand names or all generic items? See, you do the same thing everyday without realizing it.

Let it go dude. Apple is successful and consumers like their products so they are willing to pay a premium. Wake up, that's business.

 

[NickA]

...To your point about consumers get and use what they want. I agree their is nothing wrong with that. I am just one of the more intelligent ones not falling for apples bull and therefore don't own any of their products. Till they start pricing stuff fairly I will never own an apple product period. Flame me all you want, as I have more brains then cash unlike some.

I have brains and cash, so what am I? I buy all tech products; brand doesn't mean a thing to me. If I like it I buy it. Look at the Porsche designed BlackBerry P9981. It's basically a BlackBerry bold. Throw it in a fancy box and make it a shiny color and people want it. Doesn't mean they are stupid, just means they liked it and had the $$ to buy it. Good for them.

Most don't make good choices when it comes to tech; it's the nature of the product. The next, newest thing is always out there and we always want it. My N7 will hit the shelves in a few weeks because I'll get bored with it. By then something else will be out and I'll jump on that. That's just the way it is.

 

[NickA]

And again, this thread has turned into Fandrodism. There is no longer any intelligent debate going on here, so someone please kill this thread. It's embarrassing at this point.

 

[MikeLip]

When the iPad 7" comes out, if I'm in the market for a high-end 7" tablet, it'll most certainly be among my list of candidates. But Android has already drawn me out of the iTunes infrastructure, so that's a factor in my decision (as it will be for folks who are still heavily invested in the iTunes infrastructure - for them it will be a point in Apple's favor).

Competition = fun.

Bingo. Lets face a few facts here. No one here needs a tablet. Somehow we all lived to this point without them, and if they disappeared tomorrow it wouldn't make a whole lot of difference. Work? Laptops are infinitely better to type on and use all day. Tabs are primarily media consumption gadgets, with some extra productivity sorta things thrown in so you can tell yourself they are essential to your job while you are watching Netflix and playing Angry Birds. But they are fun.

Say whatever you want about Apple. They have a marketing department that seems to have engaged in arcane rites under a harvest moon, and possibly human sacrifice was involved. They can take a $500 machine and sell it for $1000, because they are Apple. But don't tell me they don't make some really elegant electronics. They do. And if you want to buy them because they are things of beauty (which they are), go for it.

But that competition=fun statement struck me. I sort of said that earlier when I pointed out that now Samsung has to play some catchup. *THAT* is what is so much fun about this. Nexus 7 comes out, everyone who wants to keep market share reacts. What will Apple do? They will come out with a piece of electronic jewelry that will awe everyone who sees it, and people will line up outside the Apple stores to get one. There may even be fist fights. Yay! Samsung may or may not decide to compete, and they have the chops to compete really well and give us something amazing for a decent price. Asus already has the display, and their TF700 shows me they know how to build a machine that can take on anything Apple sells. Will they compete against Google? Would that be a conflict of interest? This is like the best gadget geek football/chess game ever, with elements of Risk and poker thrown in. It's endless fun

 

[crackberrytraitor]

Why are people such haters? You hate Apple because they are a successful business? Do you want them to under price their products and lose money? And that fancy smartphone you (and I) carry around... Some pay the subsidized price, but do you know how much you actually pay for that phone over the life of the contract? Manufactures and companies squeeze as much money out of a consumer as they are willing to pay. That's the real world, welcome to it.

I'm not sure of your age, but you know how it works by now. You pay more for items that are desired more. People are will pay more for the stuff they want. And it's just "stuff", material items that mean nothing.

Again, it comes down to choice. So I'm in idiot because of certain things I buy? Do you buy Pepsi or a generic brand of Cola? When you buy groceries, do you buy brand names or all generic items? See, you do the same thing everyday without realizing it.

Let it go dude. Apple is successful and consumers like their products so they are willing to pay a premium. Wake up, that's business.

I think you see it backwards. People like their products, BECAUSE they charge a premium. There is a common assumption that if something costs more, it must be better. Apple takes full advantage of this. This leads to a positive feedback loop. When it comes to Macs, yes I think it's foolish to buy a computer for 2700-4700 dollars when you could buy the same machine with identical or better hardware for under 1000. That's not buying generic it's the same hardware. You're literally paying thousands of dollars for an Apple logo. But I DON'T think they should lower their prices. If they priced them reasonably, you would assume they weren't as good and buy from whatever new company charges a higher price. So no, I think their business model is brilliant, rather it's their customers that I find foolish.

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[MikeLip]

I think you see it backwards. People like their products, BECAUSE they charge a premium. There is a common assumption that if something costs more, it must be better. Apple takes full advantage of this. This leads to a positive feedback loop. When it comes to Macs, yes I think it's foolish to buy a computer for 2700-4700 dollars when you could buy the same machine with identical or better hardware for under 1000. That's not buying generic it's the same hardware. You're literally paying thousands of dollars for an Apple logo. But I DON'T think they should lower their prices. If they priced them reasonably, you would assume they weren't as good and buy from whatever new company charges a higher price. So no, I think their business model is brilliant, rather it's their customers that I find foolish.

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Nyet. Not me, anyway. I like their products because Apple has always pushed elegant and functional design. I may not always like the way they work - see iOS, which I find vanilla bland and is the reason I don't use my iPad and gave away my iPhone to my daughter. But the hardware is beautiful. The Macbook Air is something that belongs in a museum and the keyboard/touchpad is wonderful. Based on their products, Apple is doing something right. Their design and engineering groups are wonderful. They ask a premium for that, and they get it. I have no problems with their customers, except the ones who find it necessary to adopt a superior attitude because they use Apple products. That is, however, not my problem. I do the same thing as an androidophile, even though I know Google has very little concern for me as a person. They abandoned "Don't be evil" long ago - if in fact that was ever anything more than marketing. To be irrationally attached to a piece of hardware is, umm, irrational It's *hardware and software*. It doesn't like you. It just is.

 

[NickA]

I think you see it backwards. People like their products, BECAUSE they charge a premium. There is a common assumption that if something costs more, it must be better. Apple takes full advantage of this. This leads to a positive feedback loop. When it comes to Macs, yes I think it's foolish to buy a computer for 2700-4700 dollars when you could buy the same machine with identical or better hardware for under 1000. That's not buying generic it's the same hardware. You're literally paying thousands of dollars for an Apple logo. But I DON'T think they should lower their prices. If they priced them reasonably, you would assume they weren't as good and buy from whatever new company charges a higher price. So no, I think their business model is brilliant, rather it's their customers that I find foolish.

This I agree with. And I admit I get suckered into the "it costs more so it's better" mode with some things. Not with technology though, but other things. Slap a "new" sticker on a box of cookies and I'm all over it; regardless of the cost.

And the only reason I have a Mac is because I need to do iOS apps, and I think it's ridiculous that I need to buy a Mac so I can create an iOS app so THEY can take 30% of my little .99 app! But I digress.

Regardless of a foolish customer or not, until people stop buying them they will be priced at a premium. And Apple knows this. But I don't think a foolish customer is 100% the reason Apple is so popular. They just make good products people like. I didn't buy the iPad 3, I bought the iPad 2 at the lower price when the 3 came out. So did a lot of people. I won't get the iPad 3 until the 4 comes out, and the 3 is a lower price. So consumers aren't as stupid as you think. And a MacBook Air? It is stylish, light, has great battery life, fast, etc. There's no denying that, and that has a lot to do with why they are popular, not just the Apple logo on the back.

 

[NickA]

When it comes to software, Google continues to put out far more innovation. The whole reason people switch to android is a free ecosystem and gazillions of features.

Just a quick comment on this: Google has been creating an ecosystem in case you haven't noticed. That's what the Nexus 7 is all about. Remember the old Google Market? Used to be just apps. Now it's everything; books, magazines, movies, apps. It's renamed to Google Play. They are creating an ecosystem similar to, dare I say, Apple. Just like Amazon did with the Kindle Fire. When you look at the Play Store, Apps aren't even the focus. All media is treated equally. They want you to be embraced in that ONE spot for everything you need. Just like Apple, Amazon and Windows Mobile.

 

[MikeLip]

This I agree with. And I admit I get suckered into the "it costs more so it's better" mode with some things. Not with technology though, but other things. Slap a "new" sticker on a box of cookies and I'm all over it; regardless of the cost.

 

[crackberrytraitor]

Nyet. Not me, anyway. I like their products because Apple has always pushed elegant and functional design. I may not always like the way they work - see iOS, which I find vanilla bland and is the reason I don't use my iPad and gave away my iPhone to my daughter. But the hardware is beautiful. The Macbook Air is something that belongs in a museum and the keyboard/touchpad is wonderful. Based on their products, Apple is doing something right. Their design and engineering groups are wonderful. They ask a premium for that, and they get it. I have no problems with their customers, except the ones who find it necessary to adopt a superior attitude because they use Apple products. That is, however, not my problem. I do the same thing as an androidophile, even though I know Google has very little concern for me as a person. They abandoned "Don't be evil" long ago - if in fact that was ever anything more than marketing. To be irrationally attached to a piece of hardware is, umm, irrational It's *hardware and software*. It doesn't like you. It just is.

I think there are a lot of PC cases that look better. My 950 dollar PC is more powerful than the 4700 dollar Mac Pro. And 310 dollars of that was for my case. It's made of Aluminum, steel and glass. Take a look at the awesomesauce that is my Thermaltake Level 10.

I find Macs downright ugly in comparison. However, if you're looking for more a of a Mac look, the Omen brushed aluminum variant fits the bill.

And if you really can't ditch Mac OSX, you can use chameleon loader to install OSX mountain lion on your new beast PC. So you get a Mac, that's more powerful than the best Mac that Apple sells for a mere 1000 bucks. As opposed to the 4700 dollar Mac. BTW, if anyone wants to buy one, I'd happily whip one up for you. Just send me a P.M. (if I'm breaking any rules mods, please delete this). I'm always happy to spend an hour assembling parts to help people see the light.

Now as to the macbook air, it's alright. Not as massive a rip-off as their desktops by a long shot. But me, I'll go with my Zenbook Prime. Better than the Air in every aspect and it was 1000 bucks flat on sale at Newegg. Biggest selling point is it's lighter, slightly thinner and it's got a 1080p screen as opposed to the air's 720p screen.

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And my hardware likes me very much, thank you

 

[adamfrayne182]

I think there is a lot of PC cases that look better. My 950 dollar PC is more powerful than the 4700 dollar Mac Pro. And 310 dollars of that was for my case. It's made of Aluminum, steel and glass. Take a look at the awesomeness that my Thermaltake Level 10.

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I find Macs downright ugly in comparison. However, if you're looking for more a of a Mac look, the Omen brushed aluminum variant fits the bill.

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And if you really can't ditch Mac OSX, you can use chameleon loader to install OSX mountain lion on your new beast PC. So you get a Mac, that's more powerful than the best Mac that Apple sells for 1000 bucks. BTW, if anyone want to buy one, I'd happily whip one up for you. Just send me a P.M. (if I'm breaking any rules mods, please delete this). I'm always happy to spend an hour assembling parts to help people see the light.

And my hardware likes me very much, thank you.

That is not nearly as sexy as a macbook air. that looks like something a child or transformers fan would like.

 

[Syrous44]

NickA


Thank you for making my point. If you have to get the same tech gadget every new model or feature and spend hundreds to thousands of dollars a year playing the game of having the newest and greatest. Your either 1) an idi@t when it comes to your finances as you could be spending your money more wisely. Like retirement. Or 2) you have a vast income where you can p*ss away your money at every turn. If that's the case good for you. Not every one has that luxury, and consumers are catching on to apples sham. Its not hate, its people realizing they are getting hosed for the apple logo. And yes every camp has fanboys that will buy their brand to no end no matter the financial cost to them. That does not make them smart does it.

That's the problem with todays society, everyone has to be better then the Jones's and have better newer things. Many a company like apple have championed this dynamic. This however does not make it right. One reason why Europe and the US are dieing economically is because their citizens where stupid with their money for decades leading up to this. While banks and companies where praying on us and suckering us to buy more and getting into debt.

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[g1toevo678]

... it's their customers that I find foolish.

It's only "foolish" if they can't afford it, and even then, affordability is distinct to each individual.

Recently, FLOTUS made news for wearing a $6,800 designer jacket. Is she or others who choose to pay such prices for design and brand being foolish? Do they not realize it's all just thread and fabric just like a jacket sold at Walmart or Target.

For many Apple is a proven product. It works for them. Yes it's a little more expensive but the premium is worth paying for them because it isn't enough of a big ticket purchase or a central part of their lives to do extensive research. That doesn't make them foolish. They just have other things in their lives... like making money to be able to afford such luxuries.

In their irrational animosity toward Apple, some people reach for logic that attacks the basic foundation of what makes our capitalistic system great.


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[NickA]

NickA


Thank you for making my point. If you have to get the same tech gadget every new model or feature and spend hundreds to thousands of dollars a year playing the game of having the newest and greatest. Your either 1) an idi@t when it comes to your finances as you could be spending your money more wisely. Like retirement. Or 2) you have a vast income where you can p*ss away your money at every turn. If that's the case good for you. Not every one has that luxury, and consumers are catching on to apples sham. Its not hate, its people realizing they are getting hosed for the apple logo. And yes every camp has fanboys that will buy their brand to no end no matter the financial cost to them. That does not make them smart does it.

That's the problem with todays society, everyone has to be better then the Jones's and have better newer things. Many a company like apple have championed this dynamic. This however does not make it right. One reason why Europe and the US are dieing economically is because their citizens where stupid with their money for decades leading up to this. While banks and companies where praying on us and suckering us to buy more and getting into debt.

No one forces anyone to spend money, right? I don't see your point. I have the luxury of being able to afford new stuff when I want it and it fits in my budget. That's a blessing and a lot of hard work.

But if someone goes into debt, or buts an Apple product instead of paying an electric bill, how is that Apples fault? No one forces a customer to walk over to the pretty Apply display, passing all the PC's on the way.

What you are talking about is financial discretion and being able to manage money. And if someone gets "Hosed" by Apple, isn't that their fault?

It's not just Apple and technology. Take clothing for example. 80 bucks for a t-shirt, really? I can get the same thing at Wal-Mart for 3 bucks. Look at all the Nike shoes that kids commit crimes to get the money just so they can buy them.

Bottom line is no one is forcing consumers to buy an Apple product.

 

[MikeLip]

I think there is a lot of PC cases that look better. My 950 dollar PC is more powerful than the 4700 dollar Mac Pro. And 310 dollars of that was for my case. It's made of Aluminum, steel and glass. Take a look at the awesomeness that is my Thermaltake Level 10.

That tower case is the single most awesome thing I've ever seen in my life!

 

[NickA]

That tower case is the single most awesome thing I've ever seen in my life!

I agree. I love it. I haven't used a tower in a long time but I would take one of those.