No matter how good the V30 is, it still may not put a huge dent in sales of the duopoly.

[MSFTisMIA]

The best phones I knew that aged well were phones with removable batteries (Note 4 vs. Nexus 6P for example). Why was the Note 4 a beloved favorite? Ask any Note 4 owner.

BTW my Nexus 7 (2012) tablet is starting to crap out. Battery is not removable so it's going to the grave yard pretty soon. Not worth the trouble trying to open it.

Nexus 7 (2013) has aged really well with its non-removable battery. And I owned a Xperia Z3 and still own a Z3 Tablet Compact, which aged well too. Not every non-removable battery device aged like crap.

Truth is in terms of covenience, it is easy to charge a phone than to swap out a battery in the eyes of the consumers OEMs are targeting. Note 4 is a power user device, like the V20 - niche phones (even though the Note has been wildly popular). I'm sure the V30 will do well enough, and I will keep an eye on it, but I don't think it'll be the breakthrough runaway hit many are hope for. LG needs the G line to have a hit as like the Galaxy S line, that's what's used to move sales in the premium space.

 

[Mike Dee]

LG I feel has been having an identity crisis. First they marketed towards the power user who loved all the "classic" Android features (G4 and V10 with the removable battery and rugged design). Now they threw all that out the window and started fresh with the G6, becoming more mainstream and simplifying the design and features. Sales were just OK. Now where do they go from here? Do another G6 part 2 again and hope people buy the same old usual? I'd say stick to the strong points that made them well known: dual cameras, 2nd display, removable battery, stellar audio playback, pro video recording, IR blaster, etc. They need to emphasize how great these features are, maybe give away a free extra battery kit with each phone? People will for sure use the 2nd battery. Or hire a spokesperson with personality and teach everyone the features so they know how to use it. What was once a unique flagship now has become a another generic flagship. I don't believe in the phrase "if you can't beat em, join em"... OK remove the headphone jack? Watch your sales plummet.

Their flagship has sailed my friend. It left you at the dock and its not coming back for you.

 

[vasekvi]

None of those shoulds add up to sales...its over. LG is on the ropes and has to fight a different fight if they want to stay in the game. I don't like some of the choices but its done. We can keep what we have or move onto something else.

If they marketed the phone properly, people will want these features and see value in it.

 

[Aquila]

If they marketed the phone properly, people will want these features and see value in it.

Almost no one wants any of those features, especially if they come at the cost of other features or design elements that they do want.

 

[Mike Dee]

Almost no one wants any of those features, especially if they come at the cost of other features or design elements that they do want.

A phone without an IR blaster is incomplete. What will I do when I want change the channels at my friends house?

 

[EnemiesInTheEnd]

Im not able to read those at the moment but do those address your point about loyalty?

They address customer satisfaction. My point is that Samsung and Apple better satisfy customers. If other manufacturers stepped up their game then customers would be more willing to switch.

 

[Aquila]

A phone without an IR blaster is incomplete. What will I do when I want change the channels at my friends house?

Not sure, but since most phones don't have that lol I think we might be able to find someone in the forums who knows of another way.

 

[vasekvi]

Not sure, but since most phones don't have that lol I think we might be able to find someone in the forums who knows of another way.

I left Samsung because the note stopped having these features. And I'll do the same with LG for another brand if necessary.

 

[Aquila]

I left Samsung because the note stopped having these features. And I'll do the same with LG for another brand if necessary.

Oh, yeah I don't mean to say that literally no one wants these features, but that MOST consumers don't care about them and that they do not drive sales in any meaningful way. There are three companies that know, more than probably all others combined, what mainstream consumers want from their devices: Apple, Google and Samsung. The things that, in general, those three do ... are most likely being done to serve the vast majority of consumers and what their research and consumer feedback is indicating people want.

 

[Mike Dee]

I left Samsung because the note stopped having these features. And I'll do the same with LG for another brand if necessary.

Where will you go?
No on else has them unless I'm misinformed.

 

[EnemiesInTheEnd]

LG I feel has been having an identity crisis. First they marketed towards the power user who loved all the "classic" Android features (G4 and V10 with the removable battery and rugged design). Now they threw all that out the window and started fresh with the G6, becoming more mainstream and simplifying the design and features. Sales were just OK. Now where do they go from here? Do another G6 part 2 again and hope people buy the same old usual? I'd say stick to the strong points that made them well known: dual cameras, 2nd display, removable battery, stellar audio playback, pro video recording, IR blaster, etc. They need to emphasize how great these features are, maybe give away a free extra battery kit with each phone? People will for sure use the 2nd battery. Or hire a spokesperson with personality and teach everyone the features so they know how to use it. What was once a unique flagship now has become a another generic flagship. I don't believe in the phrase "if you can't beat em, join em"... OK remove the headphone jack? Watch your sales plummet.

Most people don't care too much about having a dual lens camera. Those that do, want a telephoto lens, not a wide-angle lens.

A second display isn't necessary, especially with an OLED display with an always-on display.

Removable batteries aren't necessary thanks to fast chargers and ZeroLemon cases.

The majority of people don't use their phones for music. Of those that do, most will find the average flagship provides good enough audio quality and has enough power to drive their headphones.

I'm fairly certain virtually nobody cares about powerful video editing features on their smartphone like the LG V20. I'm sure people had fun with that feature for a few videos and then never used it again. It's just a novelty. It isn't necessary.

Nobody cares IR blasters in real life, except for Flossy Carter and his top phones don't have that feature.

They need to focus on the things the average person cares about: great design, great build quality, reliability, great display, and good battery life with a sealed-in battery. The basics.

 

[Mike Dee]

Most people don't care too much about having a dual lens camera. Those that do, want a telephoto lens, not a wide-angle lens.

A second display isn't necessary, especially with an OLED display with an always-on display.

Removable batteries aren't necessary thanks to fast chargers and ZeroLemon cases.

The majority of people don't use their phones for music. Of those that do, most will find the average flagship provides good enough audio quality and has enough power to drive their headphones.

I'm fairly certain virtually nobody cares about powerful video editing features on their smartphone like the LG V20. I'm sure people had fun with that feature for a few videos and then never used it again. It's just a novelty. It isn't necessary.

Nobody cares IR blasters in real life, except for Flossy Carter and his top phones don't have that feature.

They need to focus on the things the average person cares about: great design, great build quality, reliability, great display, and good battery life with a sealed-in battery. The basics.

The second display provides functions you can't do with AOD, but its not enough to matter.

 

[flyingkytez]

Their flagship has sailed my friend. It left you at the dock and its not coming back for you.

"LG has betrayed and abandoned their loyal fans" remember that forum post?

 

[Mike Dee]

"LG has betrayed and abandoned their loyal fans" remember that forum post?

Loyalty is not enough

 

[Mike Dee]

Most people don't care too much about having a dual lens camera. Those that do, want a telephoto lens, not a wide-angle lens.

A second display isn't necessary, especially with an OLED display with an always-on display.

Removable batteries aren't necessary thanks to fast chargers and ZeroLemon cases.

The majority of people don't use their phones for music. Of those that do, most will find the average flagship provides good enough audio quality and has enough power to drive their headphones.

I'm fairly certain virtually nobody cares about powerful video editing features on their smartphone like the LG V20. I'm sure people had fun with that feature for a few videos and then never used it again. It's just a novelty. It isn't necessary.

Nobody cares IR blasters in real life, except for Flossy Carter and his top phones don't have that feature.

They need to focus on the things the average person cares about: great design, great build quality, reliability, great display, and good battery life with a sealed-in battery. The basics.

Disagree on the camera. Everyone is starting to jump on the dual camera bandwagon and everyone I've shown the wide angle camera loves it for group or wide shots that arent physically possible. Its not an issue anyway since the V30 is keeping the camera.

 

[flyingkytez]

Most people don't care too much about having a dual lens camera. Those that do, want a telephoto lens, not a wide-angle lens.

A second display isn't necessary, especially with an OLED display with an always-on display.

Removable batteries aren't necessary thanks to fast chargers and ZeroLemon cases.

The majority of people don't use their phones for music. Of those that do, most will find the average flagship provides good enough audio quality and has enough power to drive their headphones.

I'm fairly certain virtually nobody cares about powerful video editing features on their smartphone like the LG V20. I'm sure people had fun with that feature for a few videos and then never used it again. It's just a novelty. It isn't necessary.

Nobody cares IR blasters in real life, except for Flossy Carter and his top phones don't have that feature.

They need to focus on the things the average person cares about: great design, great build quality, reliability, great display, and good battery life with a sealed-in battery. The basics.

All of that is wrong. People don't want dual wide angle camera because they never USED it before. Once they have used it, and use it daily, they'll want it permanently.

A second display isn't necessary but it was different and useful.

Battery case? You know how thick that thing is? It's like carrying a brick in your pocket. I'd rather have a small and flat external battery in my back pocket. Fast charging is good, but you have to be around wires still. Traveling out of town with no car? Gotta carry a huge battery pack connected to your phone with wires hanging out of your pocket.

Majority of people don't use their phones for music? I think not. Why did HTC remove the headphone jack? To improve audio quality via USB.

I record video all the time when I travel. You don't go on vacation? With editing software included, a laptop or desktop computer is not needed, yet alone expensive software. You must not have a social media page.

No one cares about IR blasters? Everybody uses a remote control everyday. It's still being used, not obsolete yet.

You are an average user that needs an average phone (iPhone, etc.). The V series is not an average phone, it's a feature rich flagship phone aimed at those that want the best possible phone.

 

[Mike Dee]

My head is starting to hurt

 

[MSFTisMIA]

Mike..

In a word to answer your question... No

The v30 may appeal to some who are fed up with Apple and Samsung but it won't make a dent in total sales.

Walk into the majority of carrier stores and see what is promoted mostly.. Apple and Samsung

Walk into any Best Buy and see what is only promoted.. Apple and Samsung.. You won't even see a v30 there.

LG could make a exact duplicate of eithers phones and it wouldn't make 1 iota of a difference.

Here's the real kick.. Since the v30 is going to have a P-OLED screen, has anything been said wither they fixed the brightness and refresh rates that plagued the Flex series with their P-OLED technology?

I understand that the mobile division is loosing money, but if they don't start pouring money into advertising and making the phone available worldwide then they might as well just quit worrying about making any dent in sales....IMHO

Mac

That's my concern too...has LG advanced the OLED screen enough? Owned both a G Flex 2 and a G Watch R in the past and they had P-OLEDs...great indoors, so-so outdoors. I hope it does well enough and that they don't remove the IR blaster. Not a fan of turning the V30 into a bigger G6+.

 

[vasekvi]

Where will you go?
No on else has them unless I'm misinformed.

I'm afraid to look actually lol. But I'll take the best feature set for my needs when the time comes.

 

[Mike Dee]

That's my concern too...has LG advanced the OLED screen enough? Owned both a G Flex 2 and a G Watch R in the past and they had P-OLEDs...great indoors, so-so outdoors. I hope it does well enough and that they don't remove the IR blaster. Not a fan of turning the V30 into a bigger G6+.

The IR blaster is gone