Rezound vs Galaxy Nexus

[JeffDenver]

Just to add my two cents into this whole convo... I honestly think that the Rezound and the Nexus (and the RAZR) are 3 of the BEST smartphones, PERIOD, in the US right now. ALL have their pluses, and ALL have their minuses. This my phone is better than your phone stuff gets pretty petty sometimes.

Here's the thing though...these pissing contests DO have value.

When I was looking to buy a new phone, I browsed the forums specifically looking for pissing contests. Because this is a big purchase for me. I had my Droid 1 for the FULL 2 years...I am not on a family plan where I have a new upgrade coming every 3 or 6 months. I am on my account alone. This is it for me till my contract renews.

People considering these phones deserve to know about this stuff. I would certainly want to know.

That being said, of course they are the three best phones. But when you are spending this money on a new phone (and will be locked into this decision for a long time), you obviously want to get the best bang for your buck. Why would you want a product (you) consider "2nd best" after the fact when you could have gotten the "best" for the same amount of money?

Dealbreaker #1 - The Nexus signal issue.

I think this has been seriously exaggerated. The actual tests I have seen posted online show a minor difference. This would not have been a dealbreaker for me personally. I could live with slightly crappier reception if it meant having vanilla Android, SD Expansion, and Super AMOLED.

I think NFC is currently a gimmick.

It is. But I'd still like the option to use it if I had a choice.

Of course all three phones are great. I would take any one of them over anything else on the market now. That doesnt mean that these pissing contests dont have some value to new buyers.

 

[crzycrkr]

Nope. The Razr's is, but all the Galaxy S2s are RGB I believe.

Wiki Says

Super AMOLED Plus, first introduced with the Samsung Galaxy S II and Samsung Droid Charge smartphones, is a further development where the PenTile RGBG pixel matrix (2 subpixels) is replaced with Samsung's "Real Stripe" (3 subpixels) RGB RGB subpixel arrangement. Which goes from eight to twelve subpixels per group, resulting in finer details. The screen technology is also brighter, thinner and 18% more energy efficient. Super AMOLED - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Click to view quoted image

Yeah, there is a difference. IMO, the difference is not as big as I thought it would be (The GN screen still looks good), but it is there.


It was a really bad decision whoever made it. It was the main reason I passed on the GN.

If I was ok with such limitations I would just go buy an iPhone. Why would NOT having expandability options be a good thing? That makes no sense.

And if that really is Google's new position, I doubt I will be looking forward to the next nexus device either.


LOL! This "feature" adds nothing to the phone and takes away from screen real estate! The only benefit at all is that it looks a little cooler because you can animate them (and yeah, it does look cool).

I used a GN at a verizon store, and it was irritating to have these buttons disappear in the middle of screen transitions. Hardware buttons never disappear.

I stand corrected on the screens then, but older AMOLEDs were, and no one complained about them. The complaint about the GN screen being pentile seems to be from people determined to hate the phone. I don't believe I've seen a single review that calls the screen anything other than beautiful.

Google is a cloud company. 99% of customers will not touch the storage capacity of the phone. If you are the 1%, plan accordingly. It is Google's business strategy, and I doubt we will see them change it to physical media. If you don't want to use the cloud for your heavy storage, a Nexus is not for you.

Are the on screen buttons really that big a deal? Really? I don't see how they cause problems at all, and they are future proofing the OS in a way. I didn't hear anyone complaining about them on tablets, so again, I think it is just complaining for the sake of complaining because something is different. They take away from real estate of a bigger screen in this case. What are you really loosing? Nothing. You are gaining that real estate when the buttons disappear. Its also kind of paving the way for true edge to edge screens.

The search bar on the other hand is stupid. Give me back a search button. That does take up real estate that is not necessary to do

 

[crzycrkr]

Hopefully what comes out of all this is Google not using Samsung for a Nexus phone again unless they make major quality improvements. Things like no longer building the phones out of plastic, using the RGB stripe version of Super AMOLED instead of the pentile one and so forth.

There is nothing wrong with Samsung quality. In my experience it is better than HTCs. Everyone just likes to beat on them for the plastic bodies of the phones. Funny how they seem to hold up better though. If i recall correctly, I read the GN has a metal inner frame. Every phone company makes most of their phones out of plastic. Maybe if they added a soft touch coating on the back cover like HTC does all the unfair bashing would stop overnight.

 

[bimbert84]

Dealbreaker #1 - The Nexus signal issue.

I think this has been seriously exaggerated.

The only ones who seem to think this issue has been seriously exaggerated are those not experiencing it. The GN is my first smartphone, and although it's fast and fluid with a gorgeous display, I cannot overlook the fact that it has severe flaws in fundamental areas. The speaker, camera, and most importantly, signal reception, are all very poor. I've yet to take a decent picture with it, I often have to step near a doorway of a building to make a phone call, and 3G and 4G data connectivity sometimes drop off completely.

My only decision now is whether to go back to my dumb phone which always worked, or to try another smartphone, for which the Rezound is my leading contender.

 

[jimbl]

Here is my experience. I bought the GN on launch day. I had it for 6 days. For those 6 days, I dealt with lost data connection every day, on and off, both 4g and 3g, and sometimes WiFi. These were all in areas I never had 3g drops with on my Incredible for 2 years. I returned it for the Rezound. I now get 4g at home and haven't had total data connection losses like I did with the GN. In my experience, the signal on the GN was crap, and the signal on the Rezound works like it should.

Other observations: The screen on the Rezound is noticeably more vivid and beautiful. The camera takes better pictures on the Rezound. The GN randomly shutdown (not restart) and the camera on the GN force closed sometimes. The shutter speed is awesome on the GN, but the autofocus couldn't keep up which negated that. ICS on the GN was nice and having vanilla OS with no bloat made for a super snappy phone.

 

[JeffDenver]

Google is a cloud company. 99% of customers will not touch the storage capacity of the phone.

LOL, in my experience that is flat wrong. I know dozens of people with Android phones. Every single one of them uses SD.

In fact, it is only tech nerds that use cloud storage from what I have seen. My sister doesn't understand how it works. She has her music on SD. This might change, but for now it does not look to me like the average Android user isnt using the Cloud for storage of most of their stuff.

If you don't want to use the cloud for your heavy storage, a Nexus is not for you.

You say that as if they are mutually exclusive. I use both.

I use the cloud for backup/overflow. I do not want to rely on the cloud because the cloud is not always there. Service is not present everywhere, and is not consistent everywhere. Where was your precious cloud last night? It didnt exist here in Denver. I was crawling at 1X speeds for most of last night.

Fortunately, all the stuff I cared about (videos, books, music) was sitting on my phone. So I didnt need the cloud except for web browsing. Why would you WANT to limit yourself? What advantage is there in having fewer choices?

Are the on screen buttons really that big a deal? Really?

You would not think so, but after having used it, yeah, they are IMO. This is not the reason I passed on the GN, but it is something that would have annoyed me a lot.

It would not have been so bad if they had added to the display to compensate for it, but it annoys me that it eats into my screen real estate. It isnt really a 720p display anymore...it is a 680p (or whatever).

What are you really loosing?

You are losing the space on the screen that is needed for the Nav buttons. The buttons take up pixels that would normally display content. On the Rezound you are not losing this space, because the nav buttons are not part of the display.

You are gaining that real estate when the buttons disappear.

LOL, no you arent. There are fewer pixels displaying actual content on the GN, because a portion of those pixels are devoted to displaying the buttons.

When the buttons disappear, you no longer have Nav control. When they are there, you see less content. There is no gain at all. The only "gain" is that they look cooler.

I didn't hear anyone complaining about them on tablets

Space isnt as big a deal on Tablets. The screen is bigger and the resolution usually is as well. On a tiny phone screen space is already at a premium.

so again, I think it is just complaining for the sake of complaining because something is different.

Why would someone do that? especially someone who has not even purchased a phone yet? It seems like a cop out response....what exactly makes you think that these complaints are not "real"?

 

[crzycrkr]

LOL, in my experience that is flat wrong. I know dozens of people with Android phones. Every single one of them uses SD.

In fact, it is only tech nerds that use cloud storage from what I have seen. My sister doesn't understand how it works. She has her music on SD. This might change, but for now it does not look to me like the average Android user isnt using the Cloud for storage of most of their stuff.


You say that as if they are mutually exclusive. I use both.

I use the cloud for backup/overflow. I do not want to rely on the cloud because the cloud is not always there. Service is not present everywhere, and is not consistent everywhere. Where was your precious cloud last night? It didnt exist here in Denver. I was crawling at 1X speeds for most of last night.

Fortunately, all the stuff I cared about (videos, books, music) was sitting on my phone. So I didnt need the cloud except for web browsing. Why would you WANT to limit yourself? What advantage is there in having fewer choices?

You would not think so, but after having used it, yeah, they are IMO. This is not the reason I passed on the GN, but it is something that would have annoyed me a lot.

It would not have been so bad if they had added to the display to compensate for it, but it annoys me that it eats into my screen real estate. It isnt really a 720p display anymore...it is a 680p (or whatever).

You are losing the space on the screen that is needed for the Nav buttons. The buttons take up pixels that would normally display content. On the Rezound you are not losing this space, because the nav buttons are not part of the display.

LOL, no you arent. There are fewer pixels displaying actual content on the GN, because a portion of those pixels are devoted to displaying the buttons.

When the buttons disappear, you no longer have Nav control. When they are there, you see less content. There is no gain at all. The only "gain" is that they look cooler.

Space isnt as big a deal on Tablets. The screen is bigger and the resolution usually is as well. On a tiny phone screen space is already at a premium.

Why would someone do that? especially someone who has not even purchased a phone yet? It seems like a cop out response....what exactly makes you think that these complaints are not "real"?

Okay, one, when you start breaking down my comments to respond to individual sentences, the context is not there. My poi t was most won't touch the full 32gb, so if you need more than that, and don't want to use cloud services, the Nexus is not for you.

The space you "lose" with the buttons you do not actually have on other phones. The screen is larger. Even with on screen buttons you have as much real estate as the rezound. Realistically that space isn't a big deal on phones when the buttons are up. That is the mentality behind it. You want that real estate when watching movies, the buttons disappear. Do you really need it on you home screens? You obviously do, but you are also obviously dead set against the phone if something so minor as "lost" real estate that you wouldn't have on another phone bothers you

 

[tony bag o donuts]

I say who cares anymore. Seriously, these threads on every forum repeat the same things.

Bottom line is we have choices.
I chose the GN. Someone else may choose the Rezound. Others may want the razr.

We have choices. I won't bash someone for getting a phone that they think is best for them.

 

[JeffDenver]

Okay, one, when you start breaking down my comments to respond to individual sentences, the context is not there. My point was most won't touch the full 32gb, so if you need more than that, and don't want to use cloud services, the Nexus is not for you.

And I replied to your comment...in context. I do not agree with your assumption that most people will not use all that space. I understood your point completely. I just didnt agree with it. Everyone I know with Android phones uses that space.

And again, the two are not mutually exclusive. You can use both local and cloud storage on all other Android devices (except the Nexus S apparently). It is only on the GN that you are limited. It is not a "feature" just like Pentile is not a "feature"...it's a flaw and/or restriction. It is something you are willing to put up with because you dont need it or care about it, but it does not add anything to the phone.

The space you "lose" with the buttons you do not actually have on other phones.

That is factually incorrect. The Rezound has a true 720p display, and does not need to use any of it for nav buttons. And it is likely most of the new high end Android phones (if not all of them) will have true 720p displays going forward.

The screen is larger.

The screen's physical SIZE is larger, not the resolution. The actual resolution is lower if the Nav buttons are on-screen. Because they are taking up screen real estate (pixels).

Even with on screen buttons you have as much real estate as the rezound.

No you do not. You have fewer pixels showing content on the GN. You are confusing the physical size of the screen with it's resolution. They are not the same thing.

Realistically that space isn't a big deal on phones when the buttons are up. That is the mentality behind it.

For a lot of people (probably even MOST people) that is probably true. But I am not the only one who has an issue with it. Look at any of the "vs" threads on this forum.

You obviously do, but you are also obviously dead set against the phone if something so minor as "lost" real estate that you wouldn't have on another phone bothers you

So you think I am lying about why I dont like the phone? LOL! What possible reason would I have to do that? This is a phone, not a religion.

I passed on the GN because of no SD expansion. Thats it. I could have lived with software NAV buttons and the pentile screen and even the crappier radio. That stuff would have been worth having if it meant I got Super AMOLED and Vanilla Android (and ICS). But no SD was the dealbreaker for me.

 

[JeffDenver]

We have choices. I won't bash someone for getting a phone that they think is best for them.

Why does expressing an opinion about a phone = "bashing" someone?

 

[crzycrkr]

And I replied to your comment...in context. I do not agree with your assumption that most people will not use all that space. I understood your point completely. I just didnt agree with it. Everyone I know with Android phones uses that space.

And again, the two are not mutually exclusive. You can use both local and cloud storage on all other Android devices (except the Nexus S apparently). It is only on the GN that you are limited. It is not a "feature" just like Pentile is not a "feature"...it's a flaw and/or restriction. It is something you are willing to put up with because you dont need it or care about it, but it does not add anything to the phone.

That is factually incorrect. The Rezound has a true 720p display, and does not need to use any of it for nav buttons. And it is likely most of the new high end Android phones (if not all of them) will have true 720p displays going forward.



The screen's physical SIZE is larger, not the resolution. The actual resolution is lower if the Nav buttons are on-screen. Because they are taking up screen real estate (pixels).

No you do not. You have fewer pixels showing content on the GN. You are confusing the physical size of the screen with it's resolution. They are not the same thing.


For a lot of people (probably even MOST people) that is probably true. But I am not the only one who has an issue with it. Look at any of the "vs" threads on this forum.


So you think I am lying about why I dont like the phone? LOL! What possible reason would I have to do that? This is a phone, not a religion.

I passed on the GN because of no SD expansion. Thats it. I could have lived with software NAV buttons and the pentile screen and even the crappier radio. That stuff would have been worth having if it meant I got Super AMOLED and Vanilla Android (and ICS). But no SD was the dealbreaker for me.

Lol, wow, okay I'm done with you. You say you are not breaking up my responses and replying to them in Co text...then break up my responses into individual sentences to reply to completely out of context. I was not even arguing with you up to this point, just having a discussion. I never said, or even implied, that you are lying about why you don't like the phone.

I'm going to leave it with this, and you feel free to pull individual sentences and respond to them at will with straw man fallacies. Pentile has advantages and disadvantages. If you don't like it, fine, but other than a few complaints in forums(that are typically filled with more complaints than praises for any product)the screen has been praised by just about all tech websites. When it comes to your arguments on SD and perceived screen space...I was never referring to resolution. I never spoke about pixels. I said space on the screen, as in a 4.6“ screen with those buttons is no smaller than a 4.3" screen without them. Real estate and resolution are two different things. 99% of customers don't know better, don't care, or can deal with it. We are nothing bbut the vocal, very small minority when it comes to the customer base. Most don't use their phones for music(unless its an iPhone), most don't use it for movies, and most don't download 32gb of apps.

 

[JeffDenver]

Lol, wow, okay I'm done with you. You say you are not breaking up my responses and replying to them in Context

I do that so it is clear what I am responding to. If I quote the whole post it would be confusing as to what part of it I am responding to.

I replied to your quotes in context.

I'm going to leave it with this, and you feel free to pull individual sentences and respond to them at will with straw man fallacies.

I disagree that they are strawman fallacies. But you can choose not to respond if you want (not that it will stop me from responding, but you dont have to participate). I dont see why it is upsetting you so much. I just have a different opinion.

Pentile has advantages and disadvantages.

Can you give me an example of an advantage? I cant think of anything it does better than "RGB" Super AMOLED displays of the same resolution.

If you don't like it, fine, but other than a few complaints in forums(that are typically filled with more complaints than praises for any product)the screen has been praised by just about all tech websites.

So what? Even I said I thought it looked good. Just because it isnt "the best" display doesnt necessarily mean it sucks.

When it comes to your arguments on SD and perceived screen space...I was never referring to resolution. I never spoke about pixels. I said space on the screen, as in a 4.6? screen with those buttons is no smaller than a 4.3" screen without them. Real estate and resolution are two different things.

According to who? Pixels dont take up space now? LOL

Are you trying to tell me that as long as it is a 4.6" display that it is irrelevant if it is 720p or 640x480? Obviously resolution matters. In this context it might not matter significantly, but it obviously matters or they would just use a cheaper low-res display of the same size.

99% of customers don't know better, don't care, or can deal with it.

99% of statistics like that are made up.

IMO, If most customers didnt care then manufactures would not bother with the expense of newer and better displays. As I told you before, I know dozens of people with Android phones, and only a few of them are tech nerds. LOTS of them use it for music (maybe all of them actually).

 

[KillerQ]

We are nothing but the vocal, very small minority when it comes to the customer base.

This should be the header on every forum page!

 

[xxfallacyxx]

In regards to the screen "real estate" issue, I believe crzycrckr is referring not to the resolution available for viewing, but the actual physical size.

That being said, screen sizes are measured by the diagonal, and depending on the resolution of the button images you may end up with less LENGTH of screen real estate than you have with the Rezound, but still more WIDTH. The last two measurements refer specifically to the actual physical size of the screen minus the area taken up by the buttons and is separate from the pixel density of each screen.

Continuing on with pixel density, while both phones have a "720p" resolution, the screen on the Rezound should produce slightly sharper images (in reality probably not noticeable) as it has more pixels per square inch than the GN.

 

[crzycrkr]

Lmao, wow, you say in your very first response that you're not breaking up my responses and you are replying to them in context...yet pull individual sentences out of earlier posts and spin them into what you want to argue, hence straw man fallacies. I understand you are quoting individual things to make it easy to see what you are responding to, but pulling a single sentence out of a small paragraph and responding to it without taking into account its purpose in the paragraph is, in fact, taking something out of context. I don't know if its intentional or not, nor do I care at this point.

I am glad you like your Rezound. I am sorry the GN didn't meet your high standards.

 

[JeffDenver]

Lmao, wow, you say in your very first response that you're not breaking up my responses and you are replying to them in context...

Um...I never said I was not breaking up your responses. I just said I was replying to them in their original context.

yet pull individual sentences out of earlier posts and spin them into what you want to argue

Which of your quotes did I misrepresent?

I understand you are quoting individual things to make it easy to see what you are responding to, but pulling a single sentence out of a small paragraph and responding to it without taking into account its purpose in the paragraph is, in fact, taking something out of context.

I disagree. I did not change the meaning of any of your quotes. Intentionally or unintentionally.

I am sorry the GN didn't meet your high standards.

They still have a chance to redeem themselves in the future. They have made products before that I liked...its technically possible they could do so again. I wish them luck.

 

[Jaycemiskel]

Lmao @ you wish them luck. You're one person, they could care less. Either way you still have their OS on your phone. That's all they really care about.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk

 

[buckwheat-phd]

What was this thread about anyway? Last 10 pages were a couple of yahoos arguing about something or another

 

[xxfallacyxx]

I suppose this is where adamant Rezound supporters and out of place GN supporters come to argue.

It's weird, I don't go to a chevy board with my Honda and tell them how much better my car is (regardless of the reality it's a 20yo sport car lol)

I dunno. To each their own should be the motto, but perhaps some people like to identify themselves by their hardware. It's all well and good when discussing technical points and not cross-talking and misunderstanding each other, but in the end it comes down to preference and that's the bottom line.

 

[JeffDenver]

Lmao @ you wish them luck. You're one person, they could care less.

LOL, yeah,. thats why HTC is allowing bootloaders to be unlocked now. Because they dont care what tech nerds think, right? LOL!

The average person obviously does not care if their bootloader is unlocked. So why are they doing it if not for the benefit of tech nerds? Yes, manufacturers care.

Either way you still have their OS on your phone. That's all they really care about.

I suppose it is a good thing for them that HTC is producing the product that Samsung wont or cant.