[ROM+Kernel][CM-11.0][4.4.4][OS2SD/internal][f2fs]bigsuperROM-thunderc-4.4.4

[Shinkenred]

Re: [ROM+Kernel][CM-11.0][4.4.4][OS2SD/internal]bigsuperROM-thunderc-4.4.4

The things.
First, you're wiping system first?

*goes through wipe process yet again* ...wait a minute, what the deuce!? Whoa, how did I NOT notice that the "basic" wipe in TWRP doesn't even touch system!? Okay, let's try it manually via Advanced Wipe. System (and everything Basic takes care of), check. Flashing...and...success!! Everything flashed!! Reboot system...and...it appears to have booted up fine!! Wait...had a "process.acore" type of FC error, but everything seems fine. Checking partition info...System indicates 150MB/158MB! Gonna have to download a file manager, but that's okay. Gonna let this beast roll for awhile in order to see what happens from here.

...wow, that IS Hacker's Keyboard. Whoops...thought it was the stock Android keyboard at first, since it looked so much like it.

Hmmmmm...AndyOpie150, I think I'll make a backup of this later and go through the process again with BeanWhiz, this time making sure that system gets wiped as well (whether I use TWRP or revert back to skinbark's CWM)...perhaps that was the underlying problem in that case, too.

 

[AndyOpie150]

Re: [ROM+Kernel][CM-11.0][4.4.4][OS2SD/internal]bigsuperROM-thunderc-4.4.4

You need to install the recovery I linked to in the first post of the Bean_Whiz ROM to Install the Bean_Whiz ROM.

To install the internal version of the KitKat ROM you need to use the philz recovery.

Posted via Android Central App

 

[Shinkenred]

Re: [ROM+Kernel][CM-11.0][4.4.4][OS2SD/internal]bigsuperROM-thunderc-4.4.4

You need to install the recovery I linked to in the first post of the Bean_Whiz ROM to Install the Bean_Whiz ROM.

To install the internal version of the KitKat ROM you need to use the philz recovery.

Posted via Android Central App

Hmmm. For internal KitKat I simply followed the link that's on the first page of this: http://forums.androidcentral.com/op...internal-very-experimental-twrp2-7-1-0-a.html (After all, it does say "YOU MUST USE THIS RECOVERY".)

As for Bean_Whiz, are you sure that only ClockworkMod 5.2.0.7-th7 works? The other one was CWM 6.0.4.6. A "more recent" CWM recovery shouldn't have problems with a JB-based ROM.

 

[bigsupersquid]

Re: [ROM+Kernel][CM-11.0][4.4.4][OS2SD/internal]bigsuperROM-thunderc-4.4.4

Philz should be fine for internal. I just can't trouble shoot glitches with that recovery.

...
As for Bean_Whiz, are you sure that only ClockworkMod 5.2.0.7-th7 works? The other one was CWM 6.0.4.6. A "more recent" CWM recovery shouldn't have problems with a JB-based ROM.

I successfully tested the internal TWRP on MiRaGe and it flashed fine, but I dunno about the early kitkat CWM.

 

[Shinkenred]

Re: [ROM+Kernel][CM-11.0][4.4.4][OS2SD/internal]bigsuperROM-thunderc-4.4.4

So perhaps I should regain that CWM and ditch the early KitKat CWM, just to play it safe?

Oh: not sure what's causing it and it may be just my Optimus S, but the clock has lagged behind four times in the last 50min...correction, five times. Just did it again.
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[omgitsMATT]

Re: [ROM+Kernel][CM-11.0][4.4.4][OS2SD/internal]bigsuperROM-thunderc-4.4.4

This is the reason I get to have nice things, thanks for rom.

edit,

I have an old Nokia TracFone with thousands of minutes and it's my phone I use for everything. With that said, is the OS2SD thing difficult? I was pricing class 10 sd cards on Amazon and I'm tempted to buy one and give it an honest shot, but everything I do is a struggle when it comes to computers or any other kind of electronics. However, if I stare at a screen long enough it begins to make sense and if I can better performance out of this phone with that set up, I'm going to go for it.

 

[AndyOpie150]

Bad Idea. Class 10 SD cards are notorious for problems in Android OS application. The class of a card only designates write speed. Not quality or read speed.
Read speed is the most important for our application.
Get a class 4 Sandisk micro SD card. They have the best read speeds with the V.

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[BradN2]

Re: [ROM+Kernel][CM-11.0][4.4.4][OS2SD/internal]bigsuperROM-thunderc-4.4.4

Read speed is the most important for our application.

Actually I think what makes cards better or worse for hosting android OS is small random write speed. The higher speed classes can do more throughput, but they usually do it by writing large blocks at a time. It doesn't play nice with operating system functions that alter lots of small bits of data randomly distributed.

The speed class actually does specify minimum contiguous write speed and read speed, but in practice read speeds are generally faster than write speeds (and don't usually have much penalty for random access) so it's usually a moot point. There is an additional complication with bad random write performance - reads can't even be executed while the card is busy writing. This is probably the real cause of performance issues. Outgoing writes can always be cached but when reads are blocked, something will need to wait.

 

[bigsupersquid]

Re: [ROM+Kernel][CM-11.0][4.4.4][OS2SD/internal]bigsuperROM-thunderc-4.4.4

f2fs looks interesting for avoiding the card and mtd storage slowdowns and glitches but I haven't looked too closely into it yet.
twrp does support it already though.

 

[bigsupersquid]

Re: [ROM+Kernel][CM-11.0][4.4.4][OS2SD/internal]bigsuperROM-thunderc-4.4.4

This is the reason I get to have nice things, thanks for rom.

edit,

I have an old Nokia TracFone with thousands of minutes and it's my phone I use for everything. With that said, is the OS2SD thing difficult? I was pricing class 10 sd cards on Amazon and I'm tempted to buy one and give it an honest shot, but everything I do is a struggle when it comes to computers or any other kind of electronics. However, if I stare at a screen long enough it begins to make sense and if I can better performance out of this phone with that set up, I'm going to go for it.

the os2sd thing is easy enough if you start with a fresh card, partition it in twrp, and go from there. Mostly after installation it's user-transparent.

 

[omgitsMATT]

Re: [ROM+Kernel][CM-11.0][4.4.4][OS2SD/internal]bigsuperROM-thunderc-4.4.4

Thanks, glad I finally posted otherwise I would have grabbed a class 10.

 

[BradN2]

Re: [ROM+Kernel][CM-11.0][4.4.4][OS2SD/internal]bigsuperROM-thunderc-4.4.4

f2fs has some good performance characteristics - I installed gentoo on a compactflash card using it (for portage and everything). It was relatively impressive compared to how ext3 would have been. Its filesytem repair abilities are lacking, but android is mostly a "full backup" style system anyway.

 

[daffy_duck_nj]

Re: [ROM+Kernel][CM-11.0][4.4.4][OS2SD/internal]bigsuperROM-thunderc-4.4.4

Actually I think what makes cards better or worse for hosting android OS is small random write speed. The higher speed classes can do more throughput, but they usually do it by writing large blocks at a time. It doesn't play nice with operating system functions that alter lots of small bits of data randomly distributed.

The speed class actually does specify minimum contiguous write speed and read speed, but in practice read speeds are generally faster than write speeds (and don't usually have much penalty for random access) so it's usually a moot point. There is an additional complication with bad random write performance - reads can't even be executed while the card is busy writing. This is probably the real cause of performance issues. Outgoing writes can always be cached but when reads are blocked, something will need to wait.

I agree with this. I posted a few photos of my own a while back that shows I could at least get a Transcend 64 GB Class 10 card to be read inside a V. I never actually used it to do anything else. It's for my dual core Optimus F3, which handles the card flawlessly. Class 10 is great to use with the newer multi core devices.

 

[Shinkenred]

Re: [ROM+Kernel][CM-11.0][4.4.4][OS2SD/internal]bigsuperROM-thunderc-4.4.4

ROM is running relatively smoothly now. Only minor quibble is that blasted clock lag. It happened today for the third time just now (fell behind by 5min at 16:45, by 10min at 16:35, and by 30min at 16:05). I think that this could be related to being connected to Wi-Fi, but I have no way to know for sure. This is a guess just based on the fact that my Optimus S is currently connected to Wi-Fi here...and last night at Starbucks, it was connected to Wi-Fi and the clock had fallen behind a whopping five times in a span between 19:00-19:50.

Link2SD worked perfectly, and so I also set up Toucanscrypt, then went about restoring my apps. Had to let some apps hit the sd card, though, as the ext partition got completely filled up, BUT...every last one of my apps (TB indicates 115 user apps) is back on there.

Is the "Power Menu" option not a part of the settings anymore? I miss not having the ability to get "Profiles" *out* and "Screenshot" *in*...

 

[omgitsMATT]

Re: [ROM+Kernel][CM-11.0][4.4.2]OV-KitKat (JBC based)

...

use new os2sd TWRP
in recovery:
advanced > partition sd card
set ext4 (or swap) size: at least 256 (MB)
OS2SD system size: at least 512, up to 768
OS2SD data size: from 512 to 1024 or more depending on how ridiculous you'd like your app storage space.
swipe to partition, wait patiently as it'll take a while. Vibrates when done.

mount menu
format system, data and cache

install, in this order:
rom zip
gapps

...

set ext4 (or swap) size: at 512 (mb)
OS2SD system size: at 768
OS2SD data size: from 512 to 1024??

I grabbed a SanDisk 32GB MicroSDHC High Speed Class 4 Card on my way home today, it's kinda big and I doubt I'll ever use that much storage when my operating system on my laptop doesn't even have that much data, but it was the only size they had for Class 4 cards and it was only $13.00.

So this is going to be like installing Xubuntu, I'll make a Swap, Root (system?) and Home (data) partition then install the operating system (your rom)? So to be able to get the most out of my SD card I'll make the first two partitions the sizes you reccomended and I'll put the rest of the space left on the micro sd card in the data partition?

When you say ''install, in this order'' I need to know how ADB works and use the terminal to do this part, correct? Because if that's the case, I'm going to have to sit down and learn how that works. I was watching a Youtube video of a guy showing how to ADB Sideload .zips with twrp on his Windows PC, it didn't look difficult and I think I should have this figured out and finished before work on Monday

One more question, I have the internal rom installed at the moment (but I already flashed the os2sd recovery.img suggested for isntalling the os2sd rom), should I make sure that is wiped in some way before I install the os2sd rom and if so how do I go about that?

I booted into the recovery image and I was able to turn on USB storage with my Xubuntu laptop while in the recovery (to cool, I'm sure that was possible with some of the older ROMs recovery tools too but this was way easier than I expected and the first time I had seen it), so could I format like you instructed and then copy over the gapps and rom you reccomend and then install from TWRT instead of trying to figure out how to install the rom from the terminal?

I know you must hate questions like these, I'm showing my noob colors here and it must make some people grit their teeth but you seem nice enough, haha

 

[bigsupersquid]

Re: [ROM+Kernel][CM-11.0][4.4.2]OV-KitKat (JBC based)

after getting home I'll sort you out.

For the moment backup your sd card because as you probably know partitioning will wipe it.

No need for adb
The recovery does the partitioning and formatting.
More in about an hour.

set ext4 (or swap) size: at 512 (mb)
OS2SD system size: at 768
OS2SD data size: from 512 to 1024??

I grabbed a SanDisk 32GB MicroSDHC High Speed Class 4 Card on my way home today, it's kinda big and I doubt I'll ever use that much storage when my operating system on my laptop doesn't even have that much data, but it was the only size they had for Class 4 cards and it was only $13.00.

So this is going to be like installing Xubuntu, I'll make a Swap, Root (system?) and Home (data) partition then install the operating system (your rom)? So to be able to get the most out of my SD card I'll make the first two partitions the sizes you reccomended and I'll put the rest of the space left on the micro sd card in the data partition?

When you say ''install, in this order'' I need to know how ADB works and use the terminal to do this part, correct? Because if that's the case, I'm going to have to sit down and learn how that works. I was watching a Youtube video of a guy showing how to ADB Sideload .zips with twrp on his Windows PC, it didn't look difficult and I think I should have this figured out and finished before work on Monday

One more question, I have the internal rom installed at the moment (but I already flashed the os2sd recovery.img suggested for isntalling the os2sd rom), should I make sure that is wiped in some way before I install the os2sd rom and if so how do I go about that?

I booted into the recovery image and I was able to turn on USB storage with my Xubuntu laptop while in the recovery (to cool, I'm sure that was possible with some of the older ROMs recovery tools too but this was way easier than I expected and the first time I had seen it), so could I format like you instructed and then copy over the gapps and rom you reccomend and then install from TWRT instead of trying to figure out how to install the rom from the terminal?

I know you must hate questions like these, I'm showing my noob colors here and it must make some people grit their teeth but you seem nice enough, haha

 

[omgitsMATT]

Re: [ROM+Kernel][CM-11.0][4.4.2]OV-KitKat (JBC based)

I'm sorted now, once I took the time to put that all to text things were making sense and I just went ahead. It's running awesome. Thanks again for all your hard work, I had been following this thread for months and would occasionally flash it then switch back to Mirage because of space, but when your latest release came out and installed perfect with no problem I knew it was time to grab a SD card bigger than 1gb and give it a real go.

I'm ear to ear with a stupid grin, this is the best

 

[bigsupersquid]

Re: [ROM+Kernel][CM-11.0][4.4.4][OS2SD/internal]bigsuperROM-thunderc-4.4.4

Only report of clock lag I've seen.
Mine s on WiFi only.
The power menu settings are still in there somewhere but got moved.

ROM is running relatively smoothly now. Only minor quibble is that blasted clock lag. It happened today for the third time just now (fell behind by 5min at 16:45, by 10min at 16:35, and by 30min at 16:05). I think that this could be related to being connected to Wi-Fi, but I have no way to know for sure. This is a guess just based on the fact that my Optimus S is currently connected to Wi-Fi here...and last night at Starbucks, it was connected to Wi-Fi and the clock had fallen behind a whopping five times in a span between 19:00-19:50.

Link2SD worked perfectly, and so I also set up Toucanscrypt, then went about restoring my apps. Had to let some apps hit the sd card, though, as the ext partition got completely filled up, BUT...every last one of my apps (TB indicates 115 user apps) is back on there.

Is the "Power Menu" option not a part of the settings anymore? I miss not having the ability to get "Profiles" *out* and "Screenshot" *in*...

 

[Shinkenred]

Re: [ROM+Kernel][CM-11.0][4.4.4][OS2SD/internal]bigsuperROM-thunderc-4.4.4

Only report of clock lag I've seen.
Mine s on WiFi only.
The power menu settings are still in there somewhere but got moved.

Ouch. I haven't been able to find the power menu settings.

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[bigsupersquid]

Re: [ROM+Kernel][CM-11.0][4.4.4][OS2SD/internal]bigsuperROM-thunderc-4.4.4

Ouch. I haven't been able to find the power menu settings.

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settings > buttons > power menu