Rumor: No LTE? Why is that upsetting?

[DJBigBenVA]

And have Verizon screw it up again? Big Red burned that bridge.

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[DJBigBenVA]

Seems to me if the device is equipped as the stories say it is (no LTE and 8G) this is a good way to hold the cost down and sell more units. This shows the way to breaking the carrier subsidy model and providing handsets closer to cost and carrier services closer to cost rather than the model we have today which is high costs (to the end user) from every direction. I assert that 3G is fine for most users and lower cost should be goal at the end of day. Once LTE modem costs come down, then sell them as fast as they can make them, but until then 3G is fine. BTW I use 4G but would be happy to pay less for 3G and would rarely notice the difference in 90%+ of my usage.

You hit it right the head, son.

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[zonyl]

Seems to me if the device is equipped as the stories say it is (no LTE and 8G) this is a good way to hold the cost down and sell more units. This shows the way to breaking the carrier subsidy model and providing handsets closer to cost and carrier services closer to cost rather than the model we have today which is high costs (to the end user) from every direction. I assert that 3G is fine for most users and lower cost should be goal at the end of day. Once LTE modem costs come down, then sell them as fast as they can make them, but until then 3G is fine. BTW I use 4G but would be happy to pay less for 3G and would rarely notice the difference in 90%+ of my usage.

100% agree. I know the rumored price but imagine if this were to sell at $199 like the n7. I wouldn't have a care that LTE wasn't onboard.

LG is known for producing some quality cheap phones.

 

[going_home]

I dunno.

If the next Nexus doesnt have LTE for AT&T I'm going to pass on it and stay with the One X.

 

[jafels]

Without Verizon LTE and with so little internal storage I'll stick with my gnex. I hear everyone complain about the Verizon gnex....and yes I was around these forums for the leadup to the launch....and after.....But mine has been nothing g shirt of a beast since day one. I get much better battery life than my og droid.....I have no reception issues......Its a Nexus so the community support is fantastic. My Verizon Nexus can do everything a gsm Nexus can do......just at 4g speeds with 32gb of internal memory on the best network in America.

 

[swyost]

Not that I otherwise have any interest, but no 4G LTE support and no sale with VZW. That is their policy for inclusion of new devices for sale and use on their network....

 

[SirCodyAtl]

HSPA+ will prob be with us for long time cause that's where all/most carriers are 3g with..except Verizon and Sprint which is CDMA2000 1xEV-DO Rev-A .It'll be a while before LTE will be able to handle all.

 

[Kevin OQuinn]

LTE isn't an open standard. I'll be surprised if it is on the next nexus.

HSPA+ is a perfectly fine and fast network technology when implemented correctly.

I understand why people want LTE, but i'm not sure it's feasible on the Nexus.

 

[tailsthecat3]

Gotta love how the US carriers gunk up the works. I also suspect we'll LTE versions here though, as shipping without it would make the device very unappealing to many people.

Definitely not the lack of LTE radios that make this device unappealing.

 

[emoeskaite]

LTE isn't an open standard. I'll be surprised if it is on the next nexus.

HSPA+ is a perfectly fine and fast network technology when implemented correctly.

I understand why people want LTE, but i'm not sure it's feasible on the Nexus.

Hspa+ is dead. LTE has won the battle with WiMax and HSPA. All carriers are building their LTE networks right now which they will upgrade to LTE Advanced in near future.

No LTE is a huge step backward.

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[Kevin OQuinn]

Hspa+ is dead. LTE has won the battle with WiMax and HSPA. All carriers are building their LTE networks right now which they will upgrade to LTE Advanced in near future.

No LTE is a huge step backward.

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Didn't say anything bad about LTE, but honestly a good HSPA+ connection is just as good for a phone. The only thing they need to improve on is ping time. 10mbps down is plenty fast for a phone.

 

[Woosh]

Hspa+ is dead. LTE has won the battle with WiMax and HSPA. All carriers are building their LTE networks right now which they will upgrade to LTE Advanced in near future.

No LTE is a huge step backward.

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Keyword here is building networks. Even if you want a phone to last 2 years, the hspa+ version will do just fine. It might eventually die out by that stupid technology, but for right now it hasn't in every part of the world. Including the US where it's probably the most adopted.

As others have told you, lte is not a universal standard. AFAIK there isn't even a radio atm that can use every lte tech and frequency available.

Hopefully lte gets a little more open in the future, but tbh I doubt it. One of the reasons Verizon was so happy to use it is because of the amount of control it gives the carrier.

IF this phone comes to att or Verizon or sprint, it will have lte in it.

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[djw39]

a good HSPA+ connection is just as good for a phone.

The problem with HSPA is that while globally it may be a standard, it is not in the US. That is, two of the three largest wireless providers don't use it. And the way they have chosen to deliver those 10mbps speeds is with LTE.

A year ago, the argument for the "open" Android way was that you could be first to market with new technologies like NFC, like LTE. Now even Apple has LTE on all three major carriers, and you think Google will leave it out? I really don't think they will, but if they do leave it out that will be a devastating failure for open source.


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[Woosh]

The problem with HSPA is that while globally it may be a standard, it is not in the US. That is, two of the three largest wireless providers don't use it. And the way they have chosen to deliver those 10mbps speeds is with LTE.

A year ago, the argument for the "open" Android way was that you could be first to market with new technologies like NFC, like LTE. Now even Apple has LTE on all three major carriers, and you think Google will leave it out? I really don't think they will, but if they do leave it out that will be a devastating failure for open source.


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The current speeds with HSPA+ sometimes rival that of LTE, I personally get roughly 20 down here at work with my T-Mo plan. Its very usable for anything that I need it for and faster than my home connection. My older $45 a month ST plan that was used on AT&T was fairly consistently 6-8 down and I rarely had any problem with that either.

There is no failure here. It WILL have LTE if it goes on a network that has LTE. Its not like they will be releasing the highest end phone on the market for Verizon and saying it'll run on their 3G network. Verizon wouldn't take it, and Google isn't dumb enough to even think about it.

I'm not understanding the argument here.

Google just can't make a phone that they can sell and that YOU can activate on Verizon. They control their network, they control their data, it would NOT be allowed unless Google worked out a deal with them.

This phone has the opportunity to be the perfect, and overwhelmingly best phone for prepaid, Assuming price is reasonable and it is indeed factory unlocked pentaband like the Galaxy is. Which seems likely based on rumors.

 

[djw39]

Google just can't make a phone that they can sell and that YOU can activate on Verizon.

Apple can do this. Best Buy can do this. Work out the deal!

Again, I think they will offer carrier-specific phones. I am responding to speculation from Kevin and others that LTE will not be part of a Nexus device ever again. This makes little sense to me as it means Google would shut out two major US carriers, and all their customers, from the program.

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[emoeskaite]

I don't care about 10 mbit/s dl on hspa+ when the ping >100ms. Websites open too slow, often ping is even much worse, like over 200ms. I'd rather have 1mbit dl and a solid ping. Last time I checked on VZW it was 23ms and WWWs opened like crazy. I don't downlowad movies through my phone, I don't need plenty of mb/s.... Actually 1 HD movie would exceed my monthly limit which is 5GB on Tmo....

And the VZW's LTE network is gonna cover entire country next year, while HSPA+ works only in big cities.

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[Kevin OQuinn]

Apple can do this. Best Buy can do this. Work out the deal!

Again, I think they will offer carrier-specific phones. I am responding to speculation from Kevin and others that LTE will not be part of a Nexus device ever again. This makes little sense to me as it means Google would shut out two major US carriers, and all their customers, from the program.

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No phone sold for Verizon or Sprint is unlocked. They are locked to a carrier through a third party reseller (in your example that's apple and best buy).

When you buy a Galaxy Nexus from Google it's like any other purchase. No carrier is involved. If Google were to sell a carrier version they would have to tie in to those systems, which is something Google has shown zero interest in doing. You think they wanna get blamed for screwing up your cellular account?

The version Google sells on the Play Store won't have LTE IMO. It's not an open standard. If it DOES have LTE I'll be very surprised.

Carrier versions are a completely different story, though.

 

[titans30dude]

No phone sold for Verizon or Sprint is unlocked. They are locked to a carrier through a third party reseller (in your example that's apple and best buy).

When you buy a Galaxy Nexus from Google it's like any other purchase. No carrier is involved. If Google were to sell a carrier version they would have to tie in to those systems, which is something Google has shown zero interest in doing. You think they wanna get blamed for screwing up your cellular account?

The version Google sells on the Play Store won't have LTE IMO. It's not an open standard. If it DOES have LTE I'll be very surprised.

Carrier versions are a completely different story, though.

Ummm.....the Apple iPhone 5 is unlocked on verizon....so the phone came unlocked through verizon....the droid razr didnt come unlocked but was unlocked by VERIZON through a software update when global roaming was enabled on it.

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[djw39]

I'm just saying..."unlocked" doesn't mean a whole lot in the US when you can only use it on one of the major carriers anyway. Might as well call it an AT&T exclusive.

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[Woosh]

I'm just saying..."unlocked" doesn't mean a whole lot in the US when you can only use it on one of the major carriers anyway. Might as well call it an AT&T exclusive.

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It means a bunch, try looking at the prepaid networks that it can run on and the smart ppl saving money on their phone bills that way.

PS - This will work with T-Mo also.....So half of the major 4 carriers. I'd say it means something personally.