Rumor: No LTE? Why is that upsetting?

[Woosh]

Ugh, why settle for a corvette when you could have a ferrari. "Fairly high end" should not be the goal of the nexus line. Like I said before, release several versions, give consumers the choice. Release an entry level, mid range and premium model at staggered price points and increase the market share of the nexus line instead of letting OEMs like samsung who will likely fork in the next year or two capture more and more market share by releasing premium hardware and custom bloated versions of android.

There is no reason that the amazing developer community and software first mentality couldn't be applied to a device that has premium specs that match or exceed what is on the market today.

Well, for starters Google can't make phones. They need their partners to make these for them. They don't want Samsung forking or anyone forking and if they do in fact go head on against these phone makers and make a dent in their sales you can bet that Samsung will have their OS rdy to go and change things up.

I think it would be and could be awesome if Google could do what you want them to do. Believe me I would enjoy different Nexus devices with different designs on different carriers but there is no way Google can maintain all of that and not completely destroy the Nexus idealism as a whole.(First updates)

What it sounds like is you want Google to bury their partners and take full control and lock it down like an iPhone. It would be disastrous to the Android name imo and would hurt them in the long run.

Fact is even if Google made 5 Nexus devices, there would still be some ppl saying its not good enough and in under 60 days every single device would no longer be the best device on the market. Technology moves way too fast. But tbh....most ppl consider the Galaxy Nexus RIGHT NOW to be the best device and that's because of software, not hardware.

PS - I would much rather have a corvette over a ferrari. Never liked the look of a ferrari and even if I could afford one it would not be the car of my choice.

 

[Ry]

What it sounds like is you want Google to bury their partners and take full control and lock it down like an iPhone. It would be disastrous to the Android name imo and would hurt them in the long run.

Sounds like this is what a lot of (tech) people want.

I doubt it's what Google wants though. The openness of Android allows Google to cast a much wider net. For Google, it's not even about the devices. It's not about the app ecosystem. It's not about the accessory ecosystem.

It's about collecting your data.

Closing the open Android defeats the purpose of what Google is trying to do.


And it's because of this, I truly believe we'll see a CDMA/LTE version of the LG Nexus/Nexus 4 sometime in the near future. 100+ subscribers (Verizon + Sprint) is a hard number to ignore.

 

[FishPharm]

I don't think people are wanting to close the open Android we just want a yearly pure Google phone that is made well, and has specs better than or equal to the performance of the current iphone or Android on the market. I really don't think this is asking a lot and it makes perfect sense because a flagship device should be a trend setter for all other phones after it to match or beat. I understand that the Nexus phone may not be known to all but who's fault is that anyway? I blame that one on Google mostly and then the carrier that is chosen to launch. The Nexus phone must be of some interest to people because if it wasn't then why would phone manufacturers bid on making the device each year? My hope is that one day Google will take the Nexus brand more seriously and treat it like Apple does with the iphone in regards to hardware and press. Each year Apple fans get a clear date and event that promotes the phone. At that event, price points are clearly laid out as well as carrier and when it will go on sale. Here it is in mid-October and we still really have no idea when they are going to talk about this new device. We think it MAY be the 29th but who really knows? I just don't think the whole thing is done right. I am in no way an Apple fan and the only product that I've owned of them is the itouch but I do admire how they treat their fans and don't make them rely for months on end to rumors and fake pictures. Until Google takes their Nexus seriously then how can we really expect the carriers or the manufacturers to? I mean, I do like my GN but it should never have left the factory floor with the camera it has in it.

 

[cormaster628]

I don't see the big deal personally. My phone has lte, and the biggest noticeable difference is battery life, it's terrible! HSPA+ is plenty fast and who cares if you can download 50 megs a second when many carriers cap your data anyway?

It's really pointless at this point. The future? Yes definitely, but right now it's in its infancy stage and really this shouldn't come as a big surprise, I don't think anyone has made an unlocked LTE phone yet.

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[Dr0me]

I don't think people are wanting to close the open Android we just want a yearly pure Google phone that is made well, and has specs better than or equal to the performance of the current iphone or Android on the market. I really don't think this is asking a lot and it makes perfect sense because a flagship device should be a trend setter for all other phones after it to match or beat. I understand that the Nexus phone may not be known to all but who's fault is that anyway? I blame that one on Google mostly and then the carrier that is chosen to launch. The Nexus phone must be of some interest to people because if it wasn't then why would phone manufacturers bid on making the device each year? My hope is that one day Google will take the Nexus brand more seriously and treat it like Apple does with the iphone in regards to hardware and press. Each year Apple fans get a clear date and event that promotes the phone. At that event, price points are clearly laid out as well as carrier and when it will go on sale. Here it is in mid-October and we still really have no idea when they are going to talk about this new device. We think it MAY be the 29th but who really knows? I just don't think the whole thing is done right. I am in no way an Apple fan and the only product that I've owned of them is the itouch but I do admire how they treat their fans and don't make them rely for months on end to rumors and fake pictures. Until Google takes their Nexus seriously then how can we really expect the carriers or the manufacturers to? I mean, I do like my GN but it should never have left the factory floor with the camera it has in it.

exactly, it is no wonder that the nexus sold like crap, google did not go to bat to make sure this phone was a hit with the general public. We all know it is still one of the best phones out today, but why didnt the public realize that? Well for one, It's release was delayed, updates delayed, accessories delayed or cancelled and it launched with a bad camera. Not to mention that it was initially a VZW exclusive at the same time VZW was blasting droid razr ads every where. Why are VZW employees going to promote it over a phone that their company favors, has tons of awesome accessories that they can sell to the consumer to hit their quotas? Google clearly wants people on stock android or at least to have access to their ecosystem (i.e. not a fork like kindles) as they want the data and play store access. They need to have a high end nexus and they need to advertise the crap out of it.

I am going to leave it at that as this phone is just a prototype and could very well launch with killer high end specs, but thought thought of 3G only and 16gb max nexus is frightening.

 

[Woosh]

I don't think people are wanting to close the open Android we just want a yearly pure Google phone that is made well, and has specs better than or equal to the performance of the current iphone or Android on the market.

So far all the Nexus devices were very close to current best phones on the market. The Galaxy Nexus was close in stats to the S2 and tbh, Who can honestly say the S2 right now is better than the Galaxy Nexus? Nobody imo with the exception of the camera.

The Nexus phone must be of some interest to people because if it wasn't then why would phone manufacturers bid on making the device each year?

I might be wrong about this but my understanding with the Nexus program is that Nexus tells the makers what they want, the company that can make it for the least money and sell it to Google is the winner of the bid. If I'm correct than the reason the phone makers do it is because they make money making the phone.

Each year Apple fans get a clear date and event that promotes the phone. At that event, price points are clearly laid out as well as carrier and when it will go on sale.

No they don't....Last year iirc they started changing up when iPhone launches and now has a new date. They didn't magically tell everybody that on Jan 1st that they would be changing things up. Sure its mostly on time but look at the supposed mini tablet....it's been rumored for over a year now and "maybe" we will see it in a week. Apple didn't tell ppl 6 months ago that they would be announcing this awesome product in 6 months and it'll have so and so price. The one thing you are right about here is when they make the announcement they announce pricing and availability asap rather than TBD.

I am in no way an Apple fan and the only product that I've owned of them is the itouch but I do admire how they treat their fans and don't make them rely for months on end to rumors and fake pictures.

 

[Ry]

I don't think people are wanting to close the open Android we just want a yearly pure Google phone that is made well, and has specs better than or equal to the performance of the current iphone or Android on the market. I really don't think this is asking a lot and it makes perfect sense because a flagship device should be a trend setter for all other phones after it to match or beat. I understand that the Nexus phone may not be known to all but who's fault is that anyway? I blame that one on Google mostly and then the carrier that is chosen to launch. The Nexus phone must be of some interest to people because if it wasn't then why would phone manufacturers bid on making the device each year? My hope is that one day Google will take the Nexus brand more seriously and treat it like Apple does with the iphone in regards to hardware and press. Each year Apple fans get a clear date and event that promotes the phone. At that event, price points are clearly laid out as well as carrier and when it will go on sale. Here it is in mid-October and we still really have no idea when they are going to talk about this new device. We think it MAY be the 29th but who really knows? I just don't think the whole thing is done right. I am in no way an Apple fan and the only product that I've owned of them is the itouch but I do admire how they treat their fans and don't make them rely for months on end to rumors and fake pictures. Until Google takes their Nexus seriously then how can we really expect the carriers or the manufacturers to? I mean, I do like my GN but it should never have left the factory floor with the camera it has in it.

..re: Apple - all of that was rumors until Apple announced the announcement date.

Google hasn't announced an announcement, yet. We're all going by rumors and leaks. Nothing official.

The Nexus phone line has always had up to date specs when it was released. And, as pointed out earlier, the Nexus phones have never been about the specs - it's always been about showing off Android, the software.

 

[Ry]

exactly, it is no wonder that the nexus sold like crap, google did not go to bat to make sure this phone was a hit with the general public. We all know it is still one of the best phones out today, but why didnt the public realize that? Well for one, It's release was delayed, updates delayed, accessories delayed or cancelled and it launched with a bad camera. Not to mention that it was initially a VZW exclusive at the same time VZW was blasting droid razr ads every where. Why are VZW employees going to promote it over a phone that their company favors, has tons of awesome accessories that they can sell to the consumer to hit their quotas?

Here's the predicament -

Does Google now want to compete with Android OEMs by marketing the heck out of the Nexus line as a consumer brand?

Google clearly wants people on stock android or at least to have access to their ecosystem (i.e. not a fork like kindles) as they want the data and play store access. They need to have a high end nexus and they need to advertise the crap out of it.

Actually, one could argue "Google clearly wants people on Android with access to their ecosystem." Marketing the heck out of the RAZR achieves that goal.

 

[Dr0me]

Here's the predicament -

Does Google now want to compete with Android OEMs by marketing the heck out of the Nexus line as a consumer brand?

Actually, one could argue "Google clearly wants people on Android with access to their ecosystem." Marketing the heck out of the RAZR achieves that goal.

absolutely.. they are certainly doing it for the Nexus 7.. I dont see why you would leave it up to a 3rd party to make your products competitive.

 

[Woosh]

absolutely.. they are certainly doing it for the Nexus 7.. I dont see why you would leave it up to a 3rd party to make your products competitive.

So you are comparing a super cheap tablet but are asking for a super high end ferrari phone?

I think your problem is that you think Nexus is their product. What they make money on is the OS and the ecosystem. Not the hardware.

 

[Ry]

absolutely.. they are certainly doing it for the Nexus 7.. I dont see why you would leave it up to a 3rd party to make your products competitive.

Do you have any numbers to show the Nexus 7 marketshare as it relates to Android tablets with Google services and/or Google Play access?

 

[cormaster628]

Nexus devices are reference devices, used for showing off new versions of android as well as developing new versions of android, they aren't meant to be ground breaking high end devices , they are meant to show off raw android.

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[FishPharm]

Nexus devices are reference devices, used for showing off new versions of android as well as developing new versions of android, they aren't meant to be ground breaking high end devices , they are meant to show off raw android.

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Again, no one is asking for ground breaking devices but who wants something that may potentially be not as good as something on the market that is 6 months old? I remember when the GN came out we had a lot of people with problems with the radios, camera, screen etc etc. I tend to think it would benefit the awesome software if it did have top specs but at this point I would be happy for them to put a damn camera in it that is as good as Apple.

And my point about Apple and how they release still stands. Apple has a pretty tight schedule as far as the iphone and each year around this time or a bit earlier they get an event that goes over the new iphone with release dates, pricing, carrier etc. Look how messy last years GN release was. On my last post I wasn't talking about brand new devices like the mini, my point was on the iphone. We are now in mid October with less than 2 and 1/2 months until Christmas and still no official word of a Nexus or even a date to reveal. I'm sorry but that is laughable. No wonder the Nexus line is only known to a few. If the game is that companies bid to make a phone and win the bid and then not market the phone properly then isn't it in Google's best interest to just start making a Motorola Nexus every year?

 

[Ry]

Again, no one is asking for ground breaking devices but who wants something that may potentially be not as good as something on the market that is 6 months old? I remember when the GN came out we had a lot of people with problems with the radios, camera, screen etc etc. I tend to think it would benefit the awesome software if it did have top specs but at this point I would be happy for them to put a damn camera in it that is as good as Apple.

And my point about Apple and how they release still stands. Apple has a pretty tight schedule as far as the iphone and each year around this time or a bit earlier they get an event that goes over the new iphone with release dates, pricing, carrier etc. Look how messy last years GN release was. On my last post I wasn't talking about brand new devices like the mini, my point was on the iphone. We are now in mid October with less than 2 and 1/2 months until Christmas and still no official word of a Nexus or even a date to reveal. I'm sorry but that is laughable. No wonder the Nexus line is only known to a few. If the game is that companies bid to make a phone and win the bid and then not market the phone properly then isn't it in Google's best interest to just start making a Motorola Nexus every year?

Let's talk about the iPhone.

We went a good 4 to 6 months on leaks and rumors.
Apple made an announcement about the announcement in August 2012 - but didn't specifically say they were going to talk about the iPhone.
Apple made an announcement at a press event about the iPhone 5 on September 12.
Apple took orders a few days later.
Apple released the phone a week after.


About the Nexus?

See that part about leaks and rumors? That's where we are with regards to the next Nexus phone.

Nothing is official until it's official. Google hasn't said a word about the next Nexus phone.



Sidenote: It seems like everyone but Apple and Amazon is clueless about these product reveals. If you're not going to announce concrete price and availability, please don't waste our time.

 

[FishPharm]

Let's talk about the iPhone.

We went a good 4 to 6 months on leaks and rumors.
Apple made an announcement about the announcement in August 2012 - but didn't specifically say they were going to talk about the iPhone.
Apple made an announcement at a press event about the iPhone 5 on September 12.
Apple took orders a few days later.
Apple released the phone a week after.


About the Nexus?

See that part about leaks and rumors? That's where we are with regards to the next Nexus phone.

Nothing is official until it's official. Google hasn't said a word about the next Nexus phone.



Sidenote: It seems like everyone but Apple and Amazon is clueless about these product reveals. If you're not going to announce concrete price and availability, please don't waste our time.

Apple may not have specifically said they were going to talk about the iphone but hasn't that been the pattern of the Apple event every year since the iphone? They go over their products .... the new OS...iphone. And if I remember correctly, we knew about the Apple event being in September before August...we just didn't know the exact date. So again, here we are with Nexus....what date is the Google Event scheduled for? Is the event that everyone is talking about on the 29th...is that the Google Event?...or is this an event where Google will have a representative there? Does a Google Event even exist?

 

[Ry]

Apple may not have specifically said they were going to talk about the iphone but hasn't that been the pattern of the Apple event every year since the iphone? They go over their products .... the new OS...iphone. And if I remember correctly, we knew about the Apple event being in September before August...we just didn't know the exact date. So again, here we are with Nexus....what date is the Google Event scheduled for? Is the event that everyone is talking about on the 29th...is that the Google Event?...or is this an event where Google will have a representative there? Does a Google Event even exist?

Remember when new iPhones were.announced in the summer?

Things change.

And even if we knew about Apple's event in September back in July, again - nothing is official until it's official. Apple never confirmed until they made an official announcement.

If Google isn't ready to make an official announcement, then Google isn't ready to make an official announcement.



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[Woosh]

Again, no one is asking for ground breaking devices but who wants something that may potentially be not as good as something on the market that is 6 months old? I remember when the GN came out we had a lot of people with problems with the radios, camera, screen etc etc. I tend to think it would benefit the awesome software if it did have top specs but at this point I would be happy for them to put a damn camera in it that is as good as Apple.

And my point about Apple and how they release still stands. Apple has a pretty tight schedule as far as the iphone and each year around this time or a bit earlier they get an event that goes over the new iphone with release dates, pricing, carrier etc. Look how messy last years GN release was. On my last post I wasn't talking about brand new devices like the mini, my point was on the iphone. We are now in mid October with less than 2 and 1/2 months until Christmas and still no official word of a Nexus or even a date to reveal. I'm sorry but that is laughable. No wonder the Nexus line is only known to a few. If the game is that companies bid to make a phone and win the bid and then not market the phone properly then isn't it in Google's best interest to just start making a Motorola Nexus every year?

Actually certain ppl are talking about "ferrari like specs". Plus, as I said before.....GN was top end specs only beat out by the GS2.

As I said above and re-stated by Mr. Ry, the iPhone was a Summer release until Apple randomly changed it as they pleased without telling anyone.

Let's talk about the iPhone.

We went a good 4 to 6 months on leaks and rumors.
Apple made an announcement about the announcement in August 2012 - but didn't specifically say they were going to talk about the iPhone.
Apple made an announcement at a press event about the iPhone 5 on September 12.
Apple took orders a few days later.
Apple released the phone a week after.


About the Nexus?

See that part about leaks and rumors? That's where we are with regards to the next Nexus phone.

Nothing is official until it's official. Google hasn't said a word about the next Nexus phone.



Sidenote: It seems like everyone but Apple and Amazon is clueless about these product reveals. If you're not going to announce concrete price and availability, please don't waste our time.

I agree about Apple and Amazon being the best at pricing and availability.....But the reveal is another story. I hate live blogs, I much prefer how Google streams their even for me to watch over having to listen to random blogs in somewhat real time.

Apple may not have specifically said they were going to talk about the iphone but hasn't that been the pattern of the Apple event every year since the iphone? They go over their products .... the new OS...iphone. And if I remember correctly, we knew about the Apple event being in September before August...we just didn't know the exact date. So again, here we are with Nexus....what date is the Google Event scheduled for? Is the event that everyone is talking about on the 29th...is that the Google Event?...or is this an event where Google will have a representative there? Does a Google Event even exist?

AFAIK nobody knows if an event exists yet. But last year it was Oct 19th....Which hasn't happened yet. Perhaps they are planning on announcing it and releasing it like rumors have suggested. Which would put it in line to be around the same as the GN from last year.

Also....the Apple "os" was actually announced in June ish? It was in beta for about 5 months before they even officially made it available to the public. On the flip side of that, JB was announced and immediately put out on a nice shiny tablet as well as upgrading both the last 2 Nexus devices within 30 days of the announcement. So I'd say both companies can do things both right and wrong.

 

[FishPharm]

I thought last year the iphone was released in October, not the summer....maybe originally it was the summer when it was a brand new product. Also, I don't believe the GN was ever considered top end specs .... it certainly wasn't as far as camera and screens go and I recall people complaining about the processor and battery too. Maybe the top spec's of phones with curved glass??

 

[Woosh]

I thought last year the iphone was released in October, not the summer....maybe originally it was the summer when it was a brand new product. Also, I don't believe the GN was ever considered top end specs .... it certainly wasn't as far as camera and screens go and I recall people complaining about the processor and battery too. Maybe the top spec's of phones with curved glass??

If you consider the iPhone 4 the "original" then you would be right on that. It was released in June.

Was the GN the best phone on the market? No, but it was not low end specs by a long shot. It also runs better than most phones with better stats atm. Again, its biggest competition was the GS2 and you can look at the minor differences between the 2.

If you are basing all your evidence of what ppl complain about than you will have plenty of bad things to say. Doesn't make them all right.

Samsung Galaxy Nexus vs. Samsung Galaxy S II: Smartphone comparison - Google Android phones, mobile phones, Samsung Galaxy Nexus, samsung galaxy s ii, smartphones - PC World Australia

Is a nice little article comparing the 2 a little bit.

 

[Dr0me]

Do you have any numbers to show the Nexus 7 marketshare as it relates to Android tablets with Google services and/or Google Play access?

TODAYonline | Technology | Google Nexus 7 best-selling Android tablet ever: UK retailer

sales were way better than expected and anticipated to sell over 10 Million by year end. Not to mention several TV ads, internet blitz and featuring it on the google home page. MUCH more than the g nex got around launch.

Actually certain ppl are talking about "ferrari like specs". Plus, as I said before.....GN was top end specs only beat out by the GS2.

So you are comparing a super cheap tablet but are asking for a super high end ferrari phone?

I think your problem is that you think Nexus is their product. What they make money on is the OS and the ecosystem. Not the hardware.

I am so sick of your smart ass condescending tone. I have no "problem". The nexus is absolutely Google's product. The same way that the A6 chip in an iphone is made by samsung FOR apple (well used to be before today). You are literally playing the devils advocate on every level and none of your points hold water. The whole argument that the nexus line is a reference device / developer phone and should not have top of the line hardware is a paradigm google needs to break if they intend to actually penetrate the market with something other than a bloated crap version of android. You don't think google would want their version of the OS to be the most popular over samsungs? are you on drugs? I am not saying that the nexus hasn't been medium to fairly high end in the past but that is my frustration with the android ecosystem. You should not have to use a skinned 3rd party phone based on android to get modern competitive specs. Google is a $86 Billion company they can figure out how to release products at different price points. bottom line.

While I won't say that I'll never flash a ROM......I will say that this phone has me excited for that same reason. I "might" be able to hold onto it for a full year without me wasting my hard earned money on phones every month. I may be wrong about that but who knows. I was actually rly liking my GN but after having the S3....Screen is far superior and the camera is amazing. If I can replace it with this Nexus than I think it'll hold me over for a long while.

oh look he actually wants top of the line specs and was just trolling the whole time. didn't see that coming.