Rumor: No LTE? Why is that upsetting?

[djw39]

"So the one in the play store is the AT&T version?"

"No, it's the unlocked one."

"So I can use it with any carrier?"

"No, just AT&T."

"???"

(I'm ignoring T-Mobile because I am a Sprint fanboy and have to undercut them at every opportunity!)

Sent from my Nexus S 4G

 

[Woosh]

"So the one in the play store is the AT&T version?"

"No, it's the unlocked one."

"So I can use it with any carrier?"

"No, just AT&T."

"???"

(I'm ignoring T-Mobile because I am a Sprint fanboy and have to undercut them at every opportunity!)

Sent from my Nexus S 4G

Whether you want to ignore them or not, they still exist and can take advantage of Nexus devices. In fact the $30 plan is simply the best plan for anybody who doesn't talk too much and/or can use WiFi calling enough.

The fact is Google cannot do what you want them to do. If you are a Sprint fanboy you should know that both Sprint and Verizon lock down their network to ONLY activate devices with their logo on it. So Google can't just make a compatible device for you to activate on their network.

Sprint has gotten both the S and the Galaxy Nexus so there is a good chance they will get this one too, and WITH LTE to make you happy.

 

[Dr0me]

I hate the notion that android is supposed to be some budget rate mobile platform focused on bang for your buck over quality. If you want to make entry level / medium quality phones affordable and unlocked to be sold via Google Play with compromised specs, fine go ahead. But Google needs to have a high end line as well to appease their customers who don't make minimum wage and can afford to pay top dollar for a device with 100% premium specs.

There was a stat that moto released that said devices that have LTE vs 3G use 8x more data than devices with 3g. This is interesting as LTE is not 8x faster than 3G. It means that the devices are 8x more useful since they make is easier to get information and perform tasks. I think that the LG nexus will have an LTE version (likely ATT) and I am praying to god they released a 32gb version as well.

 

[Woosh]

I hate the notion that android is supposed to be some budget rate mobile platform focused on bang for your buck over quality. If you want to make entry level / medium quality phones affordable and unlocked to be sold via Google Play with compromised specs, fine go ahead. But Google needs to have a high end line as well to appease their customers who don't make minimum wage and can afford to pay top dollar for a device with 100% premium specs.

There was a stat that moto released that said devices that have LTE vs 3G use 8x more data than devices with 3g. This is interesting as LTE is not 8x faster than 3G. It means that the devices are 8x more useful since they make is easier to get information and perform tasks. I think that the LG nexus will have an LTE version (likely ATT) and I am praying to god they released a 32gb version as well.

No they don't. Sorry, but Google isn't rly making money on the Nexus program. If you wanted a top end device you should have bought enough Galaxy Nexus devices for it to be highly profitable for them with your millions of dollars. This is a developers device, not a cheap device for the minimum wage ppl and not a super expensive high end device. Its a device made for developers.

LTE is 8x faster than 3G. It may not be 8x faster than HSPA+ 4G, but its 8x faster than what was previously known as 3G. Especially Verizon 3G which is usually tops 1-3 down.

PS - Fun fact... If you want a super expensive high end phone running any OS(Including Android), they exist for you Mr Moneybags.

 

[speculatrix]

I would care more about 4G if the carriers had actually fulfilled the promise of good (coverage and speed) 3G!

I very rarely find I get a strong signal and decent speeds outside of central city areas.
So I don't really believe that 4G will fulfill the promises this side of 2014.

At least the problems of battery life are being overcome in the newest handsets.

 

[Dr0me]

No they don't. Sorry, but Google isn't rly making money on the Nexus program. If you wanted a top end device you should have bought enough Galaxy Nexus devices for it to be highly profitable for them with your millions of dollars. This is a developers device, not a cheap device for the minimum wage ppl and not a super expensive high end device. Its a device made for developers.

LTE is 8x faster than 3G. It may not be 8x faster than HSPA+ 4G, but its 8x faster than what was previously known as 3G. Especially Verizon 3G which is usually tops 1-3 down.

PS - Fun fact... If you want a super expensive high end phone running any OS(Including Android), they exist for you Mr Moneybags.

hey here is a fun fact. You are making assumptions and acting like you know for certain that there wont be a LTE version when in reality you don't have a clue. Watch this video Motorola. On Display. - YouTube (around the 30-32 min mark). "at google we believe faster is better" . "at google, we have leared milliseconds matter when making a search". We have top google executives singing the praises of 4G LTE and talking about how much more useful it is than 3G. Do you really think they would release a flagship google phone without it? If not you may want to reconsider.

Also, the nexus may be used by developers as a reference device but it is not purely a developer phone. As soon as it was offered to the general public and advertised the same as any other retail phone that argument went right out of the window. My roommate is an android developer and he receives phones for free to develop on. I would also say that all google employees and most developers use G nex's and don't you think these people would be the most fanatical and sensitive to a device that has poor specs? Google will release an unlocked GSM/HSPA+ version of the LG nexus and sell it via the google play store with 99.9999% certainty. However, I would be VERY surprised if they did not release a 4G model at least at a later date.

And yes I know there are other high end devices but all of the run crappy skins of android. since I use my phone for work I cannot root or rom my device or i loose access to company emails. I want a nexus and I want it to be high end. If you cannot afford to pay $300 w/ a two year contract for something that you use every day / all day to have the best performance possible maybe you should have studied a little harder in school because that is not that much money. I never said releasing a cheaper model was bad but they should give consumers the OPTION between that and a higher end device. Read the comments on any article about the LG nexus and you will see that this is what the hardcore users want .

 

[Woosh]

hey here is a fun fact. You are making assumptions and acting like you know for certain that there wont be a LTE version when in reality you don't have a clue. Watch this video Motorola. On Display. - YouTube (around the 30-32 min mark). "at google we believe faster is better" . "at google, we have leared milliseconds matter when making a search". We have top google executives singing the praises of 4G LTE and talking about how much more useful it is than 3G. Do you really think they would release a flagship google phone without it? If not you may want to reconsider.

Also, the nexus may be used by developers as a reference device but it is not purely a developer phone. As soon as it was offered to the general public and advertised the same as any other retail phone that argument went right out of the window. My roommate is an android developer and he receives phones for free to develop on. I would also say that all google employees and most developers use G nex's and don't you think these people would be the most fanatical and sensitive to a device that has poor specs? Google will release an unlocked GSM/HSPA+ version of the LG nexus and sell it via the google play store with 99.9999% certainty. However, I would be VERY surprised if they did not released a 4G model at least at a later date.

And yes I know there are other high end devices but all of the run crappy skins of android. since I use my phone for work I cannot root or rom my device or i loose access to company emails. I want a nexus and I want it to be high end. If you cannot afford to pay $300 w/ a two year contract for something that you use every day / all day to have the best performance possible maybe you should have studied a little harder in school because that is not that much money. I never said releasing a cheaper model was bad but they should give consumers the OPTION between that and a higher end device. Read the comments on any article about the LG nexus and you will see that this is what the hardcore users want .

Well. for starters....read what I posted above, I specifically said that most likely there will be a Verizon model WITH LTE. It could even come at launch.....Idk, you don't know....Few ppl know. As I've said before, IF this launches on a network with LTE then it will have LTE included in it. There is no denying that. But the fact is Samsung even admitted that the sales of the Galaxy Nexus were not that great. So who knows if Google decided to change courses or not.

Secondly.....What specs are lacking in this device that doesn't make it a high end device? To me it looks to be the single best device on the market when and if it launches within the next month.

Thirdly....I can afford it just fine. Although I don't buy phones with contract, I buy them off and use them till I find something better.

Either way, Mostly a void argument....If you are saying this device is ONLY missing LTE to be a high end device then fear not....I will guarantee you IF it comes to your network it will have it.

 

[zero neck]

can i just get one on verizon

 

[Dr0me]

Well. for starters....read what I posted above, I specifically said that most likely there will be a Verizon model WITH LTE. It could even come at launch.....Idk, you don't know....Few ppl know. As I've said before, IF this launches on a network with LTE then it will have LTE included in it. There is no denying that. But the fact is Samsung even admitted that the sales of the Galaxy Nexus were not that great. So who knows if Google decided to change courses or not.

Secondly.....What specs are lacking in this device that doesn't make it a high end device? To me it looks to be the single best device on the market when and if it launches within the next month.

Thirdly....I can afford it just fine. Although I don't buy phones with contract, I buy them off and use them till I find something better.

Either way, Mostly a void argument....If you are saying this device is ONLY missing LTE to be a high end device then fear not....I will guarantee you IF it comes to your network it will have it.

I was also referring to the paltry 8/16GB ROM, lack of SD card (yes i know google is moving away from this), non removable small battery (compared the RAZR Maxx) as well as the aforementioned lack of 4G on the prototype. Also based on the pictures from the prototype, the camera looks pretty lackluster although this may be corrected / calibrated in the final version. Those are the reasons I was saying that is may not be a high end device. The final version could be a showstopping beast but the early signals have me and many others worried this device is going to weak. My argument is far from void.

 

[Woosh]

I was also referring to the paltry 8/16GB ROM, lack of SD card (yes i know google is moving away from this), non removable small battery (compared the RAZR Maxx) as well as the aforementioned lack of 4G on the prototype. Also based on the pictures from the prototype, the camera looks pretty lackluster although this may be corrected / calibrated in the final version. Those are the reasons I was saying that is may not be a high end device. The final version could be a showstopping beast but the early signals have me and many others worried this device is going to weak. My argument is far from void.

Shame on Google for not making a perfect phone based on your personal wants/needs.

 

[Dr0me]

Shame on Google for not making a perfect phone based on your personal wants/needs.

more like google for producing a device that has removed popular features that previous models of their flagship phones have had in the name of cost savings. If they want to grow the nexus brand and compete with skinned devices like the Siii or the iphone 5 then they need to have top of the line specs. It is a sad state when the company who writes the android code cant produce a phone that competes with the bloated skinned versions in all features. As much as it pains me to say it, besides the medium sized screen, non removable battery and crappy maps, the iphone 5 is near perfect (assuming you like iOS, which I absolutely don't). It is benchmarking better than any android device out right now and has the best camera and a great screen resolution. It has solid battery life, 4G and their updates come out on verizon ON TIME. It also is made of metal opposed to plastic. I want a device of that caliber with stock android. I would like to see the Nexus become that line.

 

[Woosh]

more like google for producing a device that has removed popular features that previous models of their flagship phones have had in the name of cost savings. If they want to grow the nexus brand and compete with skinned devices like the Siii or the iphone 5 then they need to have top of the line specs. It is a sad state when the company who writes the android code cant produce a phone that competes with the bloated skinned versions in all features. As much as it pains me to say it, besides the medium sized screen, non removable battery and crappy maps, the iphone 5 is near perfect (assuming you like iOS, which I absolutely don't). It is benchmarking better than any android device out right now and has the best camera and a great screen resolution. It has solid battery life, 4G and their updates come out on verizon ON TIME. It also is made of metal opposed to plastic. I want a device of that caliber with stock android. I would like to see the Nexus become that line.

Well lets see....this will have as much storage as the galaxy, double the ram, super fast processor, better camera, a bigger battery, and in a non plastic shell. All this in a new vanilla Android package. I don't see this missing anything and will most likely be better than the S3.

Would you mind naming ONE feature that was removed from the galaxy other than the removeable back?

 

[Kevin OQuinn]

more like google for producing a device that has removed popular features that previous models of their flagship phones have had in the name of cost savings. If they want to grow the nexus brand and compete with skinned devices like the Siii or the iphone 5 then they need to have top of the line specs. It is a sad state when the company who writes the android code cant produce a phone that competes with the bloated skinned versions in all features. As much as it pains me to say it, besides the medium sized screen, non removable battery and crappy maps, the iphone 5 is near perfect (assuming you like iOS, which I absolutely don't). It is benchmarking better than any android device out right now and has the best camera and a great screen resolution. It has solid battery life, 4G and their updates come out on verizon ON TIME. It also is made of metal opposed to plastic. I want a device of that caliber with stock android. I would like to see the Nexus become that line.

Wrong in so many ways. The Nexus devices have always been about the software, and making the most of the hardware inside, not throwing a ton of hardware at mediocre software. Google doesn't want to load Android up with all the features that OEM's put in their versions. That's not the point. Also, Google doesn't want to compete with the S3, One X, or any other high-end Android device. Again, that's not the point of the line. Can that change? Sure, but it's not quite there yet.

Also, benchmarks suck and are terrible. Using them to compare any OS to another OS is a failure.

If you want a metal Nexus go back to the Nexus One.

 

[Dr0me]

Well lets see....this will have as much storage as the galaxy, double the ram, super fast processor, better camera, a bigger battery, and in a non plastic shell. All this in a new vanilla Android package. I don't see this missing anything and will most likely be better than the S3.
Would you mind naming ONE feature that was removed from the galaxy other than the removeable back?

my VZW g nex has 32gb of ROM and LTE besides the battery. And while the camera will be better than the current g nex it is still going to fall flat compared to the iphone or one x or lumia 920.

Wrong in so many ways. The Nexus devices have always been about the software, and making the most of the hardware inside, not throwing a ton of hardware at mediocre software. Google doesn't want to load Android up with all the features that OEM's put in their versions. That's not the point. Also, Google doesn't want to compete with the S3, One X, or any other high-end Android device. Again, that's not the point of the line. Can that change? Sure, but it's not quite there yet.

Also, benchmarks suck and are terrible. Using them to compare any OS to another OS is a failure.

If you want a metal Nexus go back to the Nexus One.

I know that benchmarks aren't always a good indicator of actual performance but for lack of a better method of comparison they are one of the only ways to rank hardware against other hardware. While I love how the nexus line is about the software and developer community, I still would like to see Google (RE: not samsung/moto/HTC's version of android) put out a phone that has nothing but the best features and build quality. While I love my G nex, I do feel like the plastic back is cheap and that the camera leaves a lot to be desired. Not to mention its specs are now outdated compared to the s3/OneX+/Optimus G. If the LG Nexus has the same rumored specs except a 4G / 32gb version I can live with the non removable battery and will replace my G nex with it. 16GB max of ROM combined with HSPA+ only could have me looking at other phones.

 

[Woosh]

The storage in this device is based solely on a guess from looking at a supposed 6 month old prototype. Let Google announce the thing before you cry about it.

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2

 

[Ry]

Wrong in so many ways. The Nexus devices have always been about the software, and making the most of the hardware inside, not throwing a ton of hardware at mediocre software. Google doesn't want to load Android up with all the features that OEM's put in their versions. That's not the point. Also, Google doesn't want to compete with the S3, One X, or any other high-end Android device. Again, that's not the point of the line. Can that change? Sure, but it's not quite there yet.

Also, benchmarks suck and are terrible. Using them to compare any OS to another OS is a failure.

If you want a metal Nexus go back to the Nexus One.

thank you.

Sent from my DROID BIONIC using Android Central Forums

 

[FishPharm]

more like google for producing a device that has removed popular features that previous models of their flagship phones have had in the name of cost savings. If they want to grow the nexus brand and compete with skinned devices like the Siii or the iphone 5 then they need to have top of the line specs. It is a sad state when the company who writes the android code cant produce a phone that competes with the bloated skinned versions in all features. As much as it pains me to say it, besides the medium sized screen, non removable battery and crappy maps, the iphone 5 is near perfect (assuming you like iOS, which I absolutely don't). It is benchmarking better than any android device out right now and has the best camera and a great screen resolution. It has solid battery life, 4G and their updates come out on verizon ON TIME. It also is made of metal opposed to plastic. I want a device of that caliber with stock android. I would like to see the Nexus become that line.

Hopefully Google will do this one day. I don't think there is anything wrong with anyone expecting the Nexus line to compete with the current iphone or S3 because by the time the Nexus comes out the S3 will most likely be 6 months old already and the iphone 5 3 months old. So I don't feel there is anything wrong with people expecting the Nexus to at least be equal is specs etc. And as far as camera's go, the one on the current Nexus is a joke unless you are outside with good light. If Apple can put a great camera in a smaller package then surely we can expect Google to put a great one in their flagship phone which we all know is considerably bigger. No one is asking for a light year leap in technology for the Nexus line .... we just want our stock Android in a solid package that is at least as good as the current iphone and Android phone on the market.

 

[Mooem]

I think it'll behoove for us to wait for the official announcement before claiming that the sky is falling just yet.

However, if it's going the way I think it's going then I will be very much confused on what Google is doing with the Nexus program; it appears to be in a state of flux. Nexus 7 has been pushed for mass market appeal (TV commercials) here in the U.S. It's seen as the gateway device into Google cloud services and the Play Store. Yet by most accounts the LG Nexus not having LTE (which would effectively snub a major portion of the U.S. market) seems counter to that idea of mass marketability. It is, after all, a majorly expected feature on all new devices coming out today in the U.S. So is it back to being just a reference/developer device? How does that help the ecosystem or Android's image in anyway? It goes back to the question, just what exactly is "Nexus" supposed to be anymore? Perhaps Google figures that they needed to push the Nexus 7 because the Android tablet market is floundering in comparison to its competitors. The phone front doesn't need that help.

I think the main issue people have here is that they want to see the Nexus be the antithesis to the iDevices. And in order for Google to achieve that, it would have to be available in all markets, exert tighter control on software updates, reign in carrier intervention, match or exceed on spec, and then market the heck out of it. The problem is, Google doesn't appear to want to do that and why should it, Android as a whole is doing very well via its OEMs without a need to push by the Nexus.

But anyways, my rambling could be moot come October 29th if the rumored announcement pans out. Just have to wait and see before we can gauge what Google is really doing.

 

[Woosh]

Hopefully Google will do this one day. I don't think there is anything wrong with anyone expecting the Nexus line to compete with the current iphone or S3 because by the time the Nexus comes out the S3 will most likely be 6 months old already and the iphone 5 3 months old. So I don't feel there is anything wrong with people expecting the Nexus to at least be equal is specs etc. And as far as camera's go, the one on the current Nexus is a joke unless you are outside with good light. If Apple can put a great camera in a smaller package then surely we can expect Google to put a great one in their flagship phone which we all know is considerably bigger. No one is asking for a light year leap in technology for the Nexus line .... we just want our stock Android in a solid package that is at least as good as the current iphone and Android phone on the market.

I think the big problem with making it the "it" device is that these are not selling. Google does a ton of beta like things that never end up being that successful and they quit them at the drop of a hat never to be heard from again.

So its hard to judge Google for how they are handling this since I don't rly know HOW they are doing it. They don't give us their intentions like some companies do.

I think one of the big hurdles for Google is they didn't have the resources or the pull in the phone space to make a huge splash. That might change now that they have Motorola. They have some pull and now some experience in the phone industry as well as some important patents.

What I personally would like to see happen is the Nexus line stay like it is....fairly high end and affordable device. I would like to see them take a stronghold of Moto and even put out some stock devices and improve on updates for their phones going forward to improve that Moto name.

I think it'll behoove for us to wait for the official announcement before claiming that the sky is falling just yet.

However, if it's going the way I think it's going then I will be very much confused on what Google is doing with the Nexus program; it appears to be in a state of flux. Nexus 7 has been pushed for mass market appeal (TV commercials) here in the U.S. It's seen as the gateway device into Google cloud services and the Play Store. Yet by most accounts the LG Nexus not having LTE (which would effectively snub a major portion of the U.S. market) seems counter to that idea of mass marketability. It is, after all, a majorly expected feature on all new devices coming out today in the U.S. So is it back to being just a reference/developer device? How does that help the ecosystem or Android's image in anyway? It goes back to the question, just what exactly is "Nexus" supposed to be anymore? Perhaps Google figures that they needed to push the Nexus 7 because the Android tablet market is floundering in comparison to its competitors. The phone front doesn't need that help.

I think the main issue people have here is that they want to see the Nexus be the antithesis to the iDevices. And in order for Google to achieve that, it would have to be available in all markets, exert tighter control on software updates, reign in carrier intervention, match or exceed on spec, and then market the heck out of it. The problem is, Google doesn't appear to want to do that and why should it, Android as a whole is doing very well via its OEMs without a need to push by the Nexus.

But anyways, my rambling could be moot come October 29th if the rumored announcement pans out. Just have to wait and see before we can gauge what Google is really doing.

Yup....it's confusing. But with the Nexus 7 Google has full control over it. If they make a phone for Verizon they do not have such luxury. So is Google basically Beta testing the tablet market to see how well it can do or are they rly going all in and planning on putting out tablets at an affordable price? Who knows at this point what Google is thinking.

I do think though that tablets are an important part of what Google wants to represent in their ecosystem. By that I mean, I'm not buying a movie on my phone....but a tablet OTOH its possible that they will further the Google play store by getting these tablets in the hands of ppl. They want the system that Apple has and its working on getting in place, but no doubt they are not even close to the same numbers as them. I actually think a proper set top box would be very important to this but that might have licensing issues to go along with it? Not too sure about that. The Q was a fairly great device at a stupidly outrageous price. So do they go back to the drawing board and redo the Q or do they tinker with something else to do such things?

Google, to me is a super complex company that takes so many chances and different turns that its hard to understand just what they are thinking or heading with what they are doing.

 

[Dr0me]

What I personally would like to see happen is the Nexus line stay like it is....fairly high end and affordable device. I would like to see them take a stronghold of Moto and even put out some stock devices and improve on updates for their phones going forward to improve that Moto name.

Ugh, why settle for a corvette when you could have a ferrari. "Fairly high end" should not be the goal of the nexus line. Like I said before, release several versions, give consumers the choice. Release an entry level, mid range and premium model at staggered price points and increase the market share of the nexus line instead of letting OEMs like samsung who will likely fork in the next year or two capture more and more market share by releasing premium hardware and custom bloated versions of android.

There is no reason that the amazing developer community and software first mentality couldn't be applied to a device that has premium specs that match or exceed what is on the market today.