Seems like V30 is going to be the best phone

[Aquila]

IMO, people should buy whatever phone they want most. Even if specs are capable of determining the best phone, not everyone wants or needs the best. That's the same with any other items people buy.

Exactly. People should: Want what you like, buy what you want, love what you bought.

 

[jjinal]

IMO, people should buy whatever phone they want most. Even if specs are capable of determining the best phone, not everyone wants or needs the best. That's the same with any other items people buy.

What's best?? I have an iPhone 7+ and a S8+ but I'm typing this on a Sony XA1 Ultra. Is it better than the other two? It is today, for me.

 

[ThrottleJohnny]

People seem obsessed with making sure the phone they buy is positively represented by the collective. I thought as Android users that's what we were trying to get away from.

 

[Aquila]

People seem obsessed with making sure the phone they buy is positively represented by the collective. I thought as Android users that's what we were trying to get away from.

Sort of like 'be together, not the same?'

 

[jjinal]

People seem obsessed with making sure the phone they buy is positively represented by the collective. I thought as Android users that's what we were trying to get away from.

With so many choices these days people want to have their choice validated by strangers. The G6 crowd was especially needy this year.

When forum members say negative things about the phone someone chose the person hears "you're a dummy for buying that piece of crap"

 

[Aquila]

With so many choices these days people want to have their choice validated by strangers. The G6 crowd was especially needy this year.

When forum members say negative things about the phone someone chose the person hears "you're a dummy for buying that piece of crap"

I saw this as well. "the camera is great but not the best" seems to be interpreted as, "your phone is garbage and you should feel bad for buying it. what's wrong with you?"

 

[jjinal]

I saw this as well. "the camera is great but not the best" seems to be interpreted as, "your phone is garbage and you should feel bad for buying it. what's wrong with you?"

How dare you insult my camera sir!! I challenge you to a duel??

 

[chyeo1979]

Their aspect ratios are practically identical? 18:9 vs 18.5:9

Somehow dun really look like their ratio are so close when put side by side. Strange

 

[Mike Dee]

Somehow dun really look like their ratio are so close when put side by side. Strange

Is it because one is bigger?

 

[Tsepz_GP]

No you can't because it doesn't.

And another thing the note 8 shouldn't be compared to the v30. The v30 is against the s8 anyways. Note 8 is at a higher level.

Indeed.

The Note8's 6GB RAM, Dual OIS Cameras, SPen with its SPen Suite, Samsung Pay, 6.3inch 1200nit Infinity Display and Iris Scanner put it on a whole other league. Samsung are very much still innovating.

The V30 seems like a great device for Multimedia especially, it should be compared to the S8+ rather.

The Note8 is great for Productivity, Multimedia and Content Creation.

The Note8 is not made for the masses, and is more comparable to high end tablets with Stylus.

 

[Mike Dee]

Indeed.

The Note8's 6GB RAM, Dual OIS Cameras, SPen with its SPen Suite, Samsung Pay, 6.3inch 1200nit Infinity Display and Iris Scanner put it on a whole other league. Samsung are very much still innovating.

The V30 seems like a great device for Multimedia especially, it should be compared to the S8+ rather.

The Note8 is great for Productivity, Multimedia and Content Creation.

The Note8 is not made for the masses, and is more comparable to high end tablets with Stylus.

I hear what you are saying based on specs, however there are many people who are deciding between the Note 8 and the V30. Its really OK to compare any two units you like and then buy the one you like best. I'm sure there are many who will buy the Note and not take full advantage of all features. Same goes for the V30.

 

[Mike Dee]

How dare you insult my camera sir!! I challenge you to a duel??

Insult my wife...it depends..... my camera..... Never

 

[Aquila]

I hear what you are saying based on specs, however there are many people who are deciding between the Note 8 and the V30. Its really OK to compare any two units you like and then buy the one you like best. I'm sure there are many who will buy the Note and not take full advantage of all features. Same goes for the V30.

Very much this ^^

Also, there's this myth about the Note series being for "power users". Not only is that not true now (it never was) - but the power users themselves are mythological. Are there a couple people with well above average use cases? Yep. Statistical outlier is the term for that. Is there an entire market of them? Hell no. There never has been.

A good logic test for that ... if there were real, "power users" - do you think they'd let themselves be stopped by this or that phone not having some specific feature that they "need"?

Example, removable batteries. A real power user is going to figure out how to make their charging habits and/or accessories match the tools they have, not sit there and cry for years after their toolkit starts to change. A real power user would be exactly as happy with a Pixel or an iPhone or an S8 or a Note or a V30. Why? Because it's just a phone to them.

 

[nizmoz]

Very much this ^^

Also, there's this myth about the Note series being for "power users". Not only is that not true now (it never was) - but the power users themselves are mythological. Are there a couple people with well above average use cases? Yep. Statistical outlier is the term for that. Is there an entire market of them? Hell no. There never has been.

A good logic test for that ... if there were real, "power users" - do you think they'd let themselves be stopped by this or that phone not having some specific feature that they "need"?

Example, removable batteries. A real power user is going to figure out how to make their charging habits and/or accessories match the tools they have, not sit there and cry for years after their toolkit starts to change. A real power user would be exactly as happy with a Pixel or an iPhone or an S8 or a Note or a V30. Why? Because it's just a phone to them.

Keep telling yourself that dream thinking the Note 8 isn’t for power users. It has and always been for the business person more than a consumer device. A phone that you can use as a tablet to do a lot of work related tasks on is considered a device for power users. One that is good for watching movies on or music is a consumer device (V30, S8) Got to love them facts.

 

[Aquila]

Keep telling yourself that dream thinking the Note 8 isn’t for power users. It has and always been for the business person more than a consumer device. A phone that you can use as a tablet to do a lot of work related tasks on is considered a device for power users. One that is good for watching movies on or music is a consumer device (V30, S8) Got to love them facts.

Yeah, I understood what you said. I just think you're wrong. There are two devices that went wide in enterprise - iPhones and BlackBerry. Enterprise isn't buying Note 8's for their employees. Almost all of the sales are regular consumers.

But, even if that weren't true - if enterprise were buying it - that still wouldn't make power users real - for 3 reasons. 1) because power users, as a market, have never existed. They didn't 10 years ago or last year and they don't now. I won't say they will never exist, because who knows? But so far, it's not a real thing. 2) because using your phone for work can be done with almost every phone 3) most business users are using their phone to manage email, calendar, calls and sometimes, but not usually, tasks. They're not doing anything magical or out of the ordinary. Your average 20 something person managing a dozen social network accounts, streaming videos left and right, etc. is doing far more with their phone than even the top 10% of business class users.

I think what you meant to say is that you think that the s-pen and large display makes it attractive for business use. And that's a fair point, but that doesn't mean that the market is actually taking advantage of it in the way that you think they are or ought to, or however you want to parse it. But the truth is, there's probably not a single business process that you think can be accomplished by the Note 8 that can't be accomplished by the Nexus 6, despite the Note 8's 2.87% larger display.

So to recap: 1) power users aren't real 2) business users doesn't mean the same thing as power users 3) power users wouldn't be reliant on single features 4) most Note 8 buyers are not business users and 5) given the 1st point, very few if any Note 8 customers are "power users".

This leads to the conclusion that either a) power users are not a market or b) if they are a market, the Note 8 is not the device for them.

 

[richdroidx]

who's better who's faster who's stronger.. it's a never ending battle between all these devices.. Be glad you have choices and get whatever floats ur boat.

 

[Mike Dee]

Yeah, I understood what you said. I just think you're wrong. There are two devices that went wide in enterprise - iPhones and BlackBerry. Enterprise isn't buying Note 8's for their employees. Almost all of the sales are regular consumers.

But, even if that weren't true - if enterprise were buying it - that still wouldn't make power users real - for 3 reasons. 1) because power users, as a market, have never existed. They didn't 10 years ago or last year and they don't now. I won't say they will never exist, because who knows? But so far, it's not a real thing. 2) because using your phone for work can be done with almost every phone 3) most business users are using their phone to manage email, calendar, calls and sometimes, but not usually, tasks. They're not doing anything magical or out of the ordinary. Your average 20 something person managing a dozen social network accounts, streaming videos left and right, etc. is doing far more with their phone than even the top 10% of business class users.

I think what you meant to say is that you think that the s-pen and large display makes it attractive for business use. And that's a fair point, but that doesn't mean that the market is actually taking advantage of it in the way that you think they are or ought to, or however you want to parse it. But the truth is, there's probably not a single business process that you think can be accomplished by the Note 8 that can't be accomplished by the Nexus 6, despite the Note 8's 2.87% larger display.

So to recap: 1) power users aren't real 2) business users doesn't mean the same thing as power users 3) power users wouldn't be reliant on single features 4) most Note 8 buyers are not business users and 5) given the 1st point, very few if any Note 8 customers are "power users".

This leads to the conclusion that either a) power users are not a market or b) if they are a market, the Note 8 is not the device for them.

Exactly....

 

[jjinal]

The only people who buy the "Power User" myth are those who fancy themselves as power users. They handle business on their device after hours, you know, just like us regular users. They just make sure the people around them know that they're handling business.....after hours.....on their fancy phone.

 

[Mike Dee]

The only people who buy the "Power User" myth are those who fancy themselves as power users. They handle business on their device after hours, you know, just like us regular users. They just make sure the people around them know that they're handling business.....after hours.....on their fancy phone.

I didn't want to go there but for the most part it's a self proclamation.

 

[Mike Dee]

Anyway the topic by the OP is that they feel the V30 is going to be the best phone. Also a myth because the best phone is the one that is the best for you. Not the most expensive one, not the best selling one, not the one with the best camera, not the one with the best sound and certainly not the one that's best for Power Users.... It's the one the one that does what you want it to do when you want it to do it and at the price you're willing to pay.