The iPhone SE 2020 basically just killed the Pixel 4a and other value flagships...

[anon(50597)]

I agree

Maybe Google could learn from this regarding their “a” Pixel phones? I know they don’t make their own chips but reusing previous bodies, etc. might allow them to save money and increase value to customers.

 

[mustang7757]

Maybe Google could learn from this regarding their “a” Pixel phones? I know they don’t make their own chips but reusing previous bodies, etc. might allow them to save money and increase value to customers.

Actually I liked they went to plastic body on that series.

 

[MoreDef]

I honestly wish there were more phones that weren't glass sandwiches. I personally could care less about wireless charging and would love to carry a phone that didn't look like a greasy mess without a case.

 

[the_boon]

Come on Boon, you know that’s not true.
Slightly faster? It’s the best chip available right now, which means more efficient. Battery life will be fine. The people that use these aren’t phone nuts like us.

Doesn't mean it's any noticeably faster than the one in the iPhone 8/X in that anyone would really notice in day to day use.

For that price, one can probably find a decent used iPhone Xr which will have about an extra 1000Mah of juice

 

[the_boon]

I honestly wish there were more phones that weren't glass sandwiches. I personally could care less about wireless charging and would love to carry a phone that didn't look like a greasy mess without a case.

The thing is, you don't need a glass back to have wireless charging. This is one of the biggest misconceptions in the smartphone world.

BlackBerry Priv US models, Passport and Classic AT&T models all had wireless charging with their rubber/plastic backs.

And so did the UniHertz Titan as well.

A metal back is the issue.

A glass back isn't necessarily the answer

 

[anon(50597)]

Doesn't mean it's any noticeably faster than the one in the iPhone 8/X in that anyone would really notice in day to day use.

For that price, one can probably find a decent used iPhone Xr which will have about an extra 1000Mah of juice

But why does it need to be “noticeably faster”? It needs to be efficient and that is something Apple is good at.

 

[MoreDef]

Thanks for dropping that knowledge.

Well then I guess for me, the question then becomes, why is the world would you make something that is used and picked up and handled so much throughout the day out of something so brittle and fragile? Is it cheaper to make it out of glass? Is it easier? Why? If it isn't for wireless charging, then why are we holding phones that can chip and crack with the slightest of drops?

Anyway, that just means there's another reason the budget models are more appealing...they're not fragile glass sandwiches.

 

[Mike Dee]

Utter drivel. Camera on this thing will be the same old crappy 12mp - for the same money you can get a xiaomi note 10 pro - quad cam set up including telephoto, 108mp, ois and laser focus. According to dxmark ranking this mid range camera smashes the iPhone 11 pro scores let alone what you'll find on this handset. The iPhone 11 pro only just sneaks into the top 10 camera scores and will be out the top 10 by end of the year. Some flagship.
Its all very well saying the updates will go on 5 years - you'll have needed at least 2 new batteries and thanks to Mr built in obsolescence jobs it'll get slower with every update. The real kicker is no one keeps a phone that long. The only people using these old iPhone are teenagers that need to say they have an iPhone, and will shell out pocket money for an iPhone 6 or 6sbrather than spend the same on a brand new Chinese handset that wipes the floor with it.
In fact you can pick up huawei mate 10 pro, few years old but far superior camera set up with ois laser focus and leica lenses. The images off this thing are unreal, outperforms my nikon dslr most of the time.

A lot of your statements are incredible and unsubstantiated. I was all set on pointing out which ones but when I got to the last one I decided it was a lost cause. No cell phone beats any DSLR, not even an ancient one.

 

[Mike Dee]

The thing is, you don't need a glass back to have wireless charging. This is one of the biggest misconceptions in the smartphone world.

BlackBerry Priv US models, Passport and Classic AT&T models all had wireless charging with their rubber/plastic backs.

And so did the UniHertz Titan as well.

A metal back is the issue.

A glass back isn't necessarily the answer

Don't forget ceramic which is substantially more durable than glass, however keeps that fancy look and feel that the "premium feel" crowd like to talk about, then cover it with a case.

 

[Ry]

The iphone is also IP rated water resistant that surprised me at the price .

And has wireless charging, unlike the 3a. (Does the 4a have wireless charging?)

 

[mustang7757]

And has wireless charging, unlike the 3a. (Does the 4a have wireless charging?)

Wireless charging also this a win win phone, no i haven't heard pix 4 a with wireless charging.

 

[Mike Dee]

Wireless charging also this a win win phone, no i haven't heard pix 4 a with wireless charging.

Use the Force Luke!

 

[mustang7757]

Use the Force Luke!

 

[vzwuser76]

But why does it need to be “noticeably faster”? It needs to be efficient and that is something Apple is good at.

I think because everyone's gushing about having this chip in the SE. If it's not noticeably faster than a 2-3 year old phone, then what's the draw? Being able to say you've got the latest processor in it?

Something else to consider is that while they will get updates for 4-5 years, don't forget that they have a tendency to limit features that people want to newer phones, so it's more like getting security patches for 5 years and feature updates for 2-3 years. I also wonder if they'll limit performance the older it gets to keep battery life like they have in the past.

I agree, it's about time Apple came out with something like this, but it won't sway me to iOS. I've played around with the OS on family's devices, and I'm just not into it. That and the fact that Apple is still Apple (business-wise) and I'd prefer not to deal with them again. I was all set to get an iPhone when they came to Verizon, but then tried to charge me on something that was their fault, and that was it for me. They screwed me out of $150 and ended up losing a customer who would've probably bought at least 5 phones (and all the accessories to go with them) by this point.

 

[Ry]

Something else to consider is that while they will get updates for 4-5 years, don't forget that they have a tendency to limit features that people want to newer phones, so it's more like getting security patches for 5 years and feature updates for 2-3 years. I also wonder if they'll limit performance the older it gets to keep battery life like they have in the past.

Apple will. Probably in iOS 15 and only if the battery health is below a certain number.

 

[anon(50597)]

I think because everyone's gushing about having this chip in the SE. If it's not noticeably faster than a 2-3 year old phone, then what's the draw? Being able to say you've got the latest processor in it?

Something else to consider is that while they will get updates for 4-5 years, don't forget that they have a tendency to limit features that people want to newer phones, so it's more like getting security patches for 5 years and feature updates for 2-3 years. I also wonder if they'll limit performance the older it gets to keep battery life like they have in the past.

I agree, it's about time Apple came out with something like this, but it won't sway me to iOS. I've played around with the OS on family's devices, and I'm just not into it. That and the fact that Apple is still Apple (business-wise) and I'd prefer not to deal with them again. I was all set to get an iPhone when they came to Verizon, but then tried to charge me on something that was their fault, and that was it for me. They screwed me out of $150 and ended up losing a customer who would've probably bought at least 5 phones (and all the accessories to go with them) by this point.

The processor allows this to be a viable phone, for the average consumer, for at least 5 years. That’s less than $100 per year. A big deal to a lot of people.

The people that will buy this are not feature hogs. They want a smaller phone that will last for 5 years and will get top tier support. That is where Apple excels and Android needs to improve.

 

[vzwuser76]

Apple will. Probably in iOS 15 and only if the battery health is below a certain number.

IIRC the article I read said that Apple started intentionally degrading performance as soon as the second year to offset battery degradation. This is only going to be exacerbated with a $400 phone, since the cost of replacing a battery isn't going to be worth it, so these will end up being more disposable. I think a lot of people are glossing over cons like these.

 

[Ry]

IIRC the article I read said that Apple started intentionally degrading performance as soon as the second year to offset battery degradation. This is only going to be exacerbated with a $400 phone, since the cost of replacing a battery isn't going to be worth it, so these will end up being more disposable. I think a lot of people are glossing over cons like these.

Second year, which is why I said iOS 15 (but I'll probably be a point update for iOS 14).

If the battery is fine (plus other immediate factors like current device temperature), there won't be any performance slowdowns. It's not a case of "this iOS version degrades performance" immediately.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208387

This performance management works by looking at a combination of the device temperature, battery state of charge, and battery impedance. Only if these variables require it, iOS will dynamically manage the maximum performance of some system components, such as the CPU and GPU, in order to prevent unexpected shutdowns. As a result, the device workloads will self-balance, allowing a smoother distribution of system tasks, rather than larger, quick spikes of performance all at once. In some cases, a user may not notice any differences in daily device performance. The level of perceived change depends on how much performance management is required for a particular device.

The cost of replacing a battery will probably be around $80 at Apple and of course lower if there's still active Apple Care. Even lower if you can do it yourself. And (depending how things go with lockdowns and such) it's still much easier to get an iPhone serviced versus an other device.

 

[Morty2264]

My mom just told me she's tired of her phone (Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge) and may look at iPhones next, instead of Android.

Other than being heartbroken over that, I may recommend this phone to her. Apple is expensive and if a phone like this does make a première, I'd rather her not get a massive dent in her wallet. The OS is smooth and it "just gets the job done" - I think she'd like that better than Samsung's skin.

That said, she was also interested in the Samsung Galaxy S10e, so maybe that will be a viable option, as well.

 

[vzwuser76]

Second year, which is why I said iOS 15 (but I'll probably be a point update for iOS 14).

If the battery is fine (plus other immediate factors like current device temperature), there won't be any performance slowdowns. It's not a case of "this iOS version degrades performance" immediately.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208387



The cost of replacing a battery will probably be around $80 at Apple and of course lower if there's still active Apple Care. Even lower if you can do it yourself. And (depending how things go with lockdowns and such) it's still much easier to get an iPhone serviced versus an other device.

I was referring to when the total capacity of the battery starts to degrade significantly. What you quoted sounds more like a battery saver than what I was referring to.

I didn't even factor in AppleCare, how much does that run on a device like this? That's another cost to consider if you're looking at this device. Sorry but to me $80 to repair a 2-3 year old phone that cost $400 to begin with doesn't seem worth it.