The Nexus 6 isn't as big as you guys think.!

[Robbie317]

Again, there is definitively a market for it. But lets say its even more than 24%. Lets say its 35%. Why would you release a product that 65% of the market doesn't yet, or never will want?


Agreed, they should have refreshed the Nexus 5.

the 65% is a saturated market.... lots of competition in that 65%...... the 24 or say 35% is a "Growth" market....

You make your money on the growth market not the stagnate/saturated market..... The original Note was a gamble by Samsung... To go where no other smartphone maker had gone before... Even Samsung admitted they had no clue if it would stick or not..... Now it looks like Google is trying to make sure they don't have that market cornered and then tried to one up them a little.... .25 inch bigger screen in a similar foot print...

We will all find out in about a month if the gamble was a good one for Google or not..... The only way to reverse the trend is to not spend our hard earned money on it and they will scale it back for next year... I look forward to getting one personally.... but if it out sells their internal numbers the odds of seeing a 5 inch device next year might be minimal..

but I do think they are holding back a 5 inch device for the 64 bit Snapdragon 808 and 810 processors due out first quarter of 2015.... I'd put my money on we will see something in February at CTIA that would be a competitor to the Galaxy S6........ My two cents (if it's even worth that much)

 

[Johnston212]

The phablet market is the fastest growing phone market segment.... was 1% of the market when the original Note was released and up to 24% of the market in 2014.... There is room for growth in that 5 inch and larger segment where as the sub 5 inch market is saturated already.... Even Apple jumped into the market after YEARS of saying that 3.5 - 4 inch was the ideal smart phone size.......

Heck I use to think the Note series was outrageous and over time it's what I've been looking for since last year but in a more pure android flavor like the Nexus.... So this is without a doubt what I wanted and was looking for......

That being said.... I don't see why they couldn't have released a refreshed Nexus 5 for 2014 along side the Nexus 6.... Only thing I can think of is the Moto X pure edition is the refreshed Nexus 5 in Google's eyes.... It's about as close to stock android as you can get without actually getting a Nexus 5 and has more up to date 2014 specs.... just a little more pricey ($100 more) than the Nexus 5 was....

I still think that the Note series is ridiculous. I never thought that 5 inches was too big, but actually a good size.

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[Zendroid1]

The dimensions are almost doable for me, I think it's the width that I'd be most worried about.

 

[Robbie317]

I still think that the Note series is ridiculous. I never thought that 5 inches was too big, but actually a good size.

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I thought the Note series was crazy too... Until two people I work with got Note 3's last year..... One of which is a really good friend.... So I've been able to mess around with it enough that over time I just had to have one.... but just like with my Galaxy S3 I don't really care for Touchwiz... and neither of them use the S pen or multiscreen at all.... I just want to be with one device.... No more 7 inch tablet and a 5 inch phone... 6 inch is right in the middle to where I can rid myself of the Nexus 7 (already sold it) and have just the phone.......

 

[Johnston212]

I thought the Note series was crazy too... Until two people I work with got Note 3's last year..... One of which is a really good friend.... So I've been able to mess around with it enough that over time I just had to have one.... but just like with my Galaxy S3 I don't really care for Touchwiz... and neither of them use the S pen or multiscreen at all.... I just want to be with one device.... No more 7 inch tablet and a 5 inch phone... 6 inch is right in the middle to where I can rid myself of the Nexus 7 (already sold it) and have just the phone.......

I can definitely appreciate that standpoint, but if I were to upgrade to the 6, I would still have my N7. They haven't made a device that can act as a One Device for me

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[Jeremy8000]

Again, there is definitively a market for it. But lets say its even more than 24%. Lets say its 35%. Why would you release a product that 65% of the market doesn't yet, or never will want?


Agreed, they should have refreshed the Nexus 5.

That sentiment was common several years ago, when anything approaching even a *gasp* 5" screen size was called a phablet. Times have changed, and people have adapted since their product now is becoming less of a phone and more of an internet device.

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So the average smartphone today is yesteryear's phablet. I agree there will come a stopping point, but if you were a manufacturer would you want to stop at 5" size if the average consumer for 2015 chooses a 5.3"+ display?

As to a Nexus 5 refresh, my guess is that they feel it still has a lot of life in it and is still a competitive value at it's size, and Lollipop will dramatically refresh it on its own (25-30% increase in battery life, much better camera performance potential via opened camera API, etc). And by holding off, perhaps they've been working on an updated version to be their first 'phone' to include a 64bit processor - staggering its release is a nice way of avoiding cross-product sales cannibalization.

 

[Johnston212]

Oh, and I have coworkers and friends that have Notes, so I have a little experience with the size situation.

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[Johnston212]

Less of a phone and more of an Internet device. Interesting way of putting it.

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[infinity12402]

The reason I love having a note is because it is an Internet device. I hardly use it as an actual phone. I'm on websites, fb, or texting. And having a large screen for that is awesome.

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[Johnston212]

The reason I love having a note is because it is an Internet device. I hardly use it as an actual phone. I'm on websites, fb, or texting. And having a large screen for that is awesome.

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Fair enough.

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[Robbie317]

I can definitely appreciate that standpoint, but if I were to upgrade to the 6, I would still have my N7. They haven't made a device that can act as a One Device for me

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After I got the Chromecast I just wasn't using my Nexus 7 hardly ever..... I'd just cast video and content from the device to one of 3 TV's I got the Chromecast for.... I tried to tether off my phone and carry the Nexus 7 with me more but it was just a hassle.....

To each his own... Everyone has there own personal preferences.... What works for you might not work for me and so on.... It's funny to see people pick a side and just flat out deny there are people out there who actually want this or that.... a big device isn't for everyone and a smaller device has limitations for other people....

 

[Johnston212]

After I got the Chromecast I just wasn't using my Nexus 7 hardly ever..... I'd just cast video and content from the device to one of 3 TV's I got the Chromecast for.... I tried to tether off my phone and carry the Nexus 7 with me more but it was just a hassle.....

To each his own... Everyone has there own personal preferences.... What works for you might not work for me and so on.... It's funny to see people pick a side and just flat out deny there are people out there who actually want this or that.... a big device isn't for everyone and a smaller device has limitations for other people....

Exactly. I know people who stream everything and don't seem to get why I keep 3gbs of music downloaded on my phone, but then I also only read books and magazines on my 7.

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[Robbie317]

Exactly. I know people who stream everything and don't seem to get why I keep 3gbs of music downloaded on my phone, but then I also only read books and magazines on my 7.

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3 gig of music is a lot of music.. I have roughly 1 gig downloaded on my phone and about the same on the iPod I keep in the car.....

but I do stream a lot of content.... I almost exclusively buy movies now via the play store and then stream to my TV or device.. I can't even recall the last time I bought an actual DVD or Blu-Ray, don't even have Cable anymore... Netflix, Hulu and Amazon.. I buy the full seasons of the few shows I actually watch.. a lot cheaper than cable... only pay $60 a month for Fios instead of $170+ for all those pointless cable channels.. Full seasons of shows are usually about $30 - 40 and I save $1,100 a year... That alone buys a lot of seasons of whatever show you want to watch..

I have two of the original 32 inch Sony Google TV's and then I even have the Sony Google TV Blu-Ray player.. Plus a chromecast on each TV.... The iPod in my car is actually the original first generation iPod touch.... the thing just keeps on kicking......

 

[Slow_S10]

I just don't know on this one. I keep going back and forth on it. Part of me really wants to get one but part of me thinks that I should just be happy with my N5 and N7 especially since I know for a fact they will be getting lollipop fairly soon. But like so many others I can definitely see the benefit of consolidating down to one device. I did the same thing that someone else did a couple of pages back and actually made myself a cardboard cutout based on the posted dimensions of the N6 so I would have something tangible that I could use to get and actual sense of just how big this phone will be... and it's definitely big, noticeably bigger than my wife's Note 3. But I think in the long run if I did get one I would get used to the size quickly enough, but it will definitely be a big change. The price doesn't even faze me, I'm not independently wealthy or anything and I know it is a major deal breaker for many, but realistically by comparison it is pretty much on par with what I would expect to pay for a flagship device from any other company. It may be more expensive but I can definitely make it work.

Oh well, for now I think I am just going to wait until these start actually getting into more folks hands and I will go from there.

 

[nyc_rock]

Again, I am not saying you don't offer something for this market. But not in lieu of offering the majority of customers a product. Samsung doesn't do it. LG doesn't do it. Nokia/Micorsoft doesn't do it. Apple doesn't do it.

 

[nyc_rock]

That sentiment was common several years ago, when anything approaching even a *gasp* 5" screen size was called a phablet. Times have changed, and people have adapted since their product now is becoming less of a phone and more of an internet device.

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So the average smartphone today is yesteryear's phablet. I agree there will come a stopping point, but if you were a manufacturer would you want to stop at 5" size if the average consumer for 2015 chooses a 5.3"+ display?

As to a Nexus 5 refresh, my guess is that they feel it still has a lot of life in it and is still a competitive value at it's size, and Lollipop will dramatically refresh it on its own (25-30% increase in battery life, much better camera performance potential via opened camera API, etc). And by holding off, perhaps they've been working on an updated version to be their first 'phone' to include a 64bit processor - staggering its release is a nice way of avoiding cross-product sales cannibalization.

I hope thats the case.

 

[Robbie317]

Again, I am not saying you don't offer something for this market. But not in lieu of offering the majority of customers a product. Samsung doesn't do it. LG doesn't do it. Nokia/Micorsoft doesn't do it. Apple doesn't do it.

But Google is still offering the Nexus 5 and you have the option of the 2014 Moto X pure edition.... and Apple use to do it for YEARS.... The offered just ONE iPhone.... it wasn't until last year they offered the 5S and 5C but for the most part same form factor just a little cheaper material in the 5C vs the 5S and the finger print scanner was only on the 5S if I am not mistaken.... and then this year they did it again.. but up until last year they only offered you one flavor of device...

Since Android is spread out across different MFG's you have options.... Android is not just Google... and if your looking for pure android again Moto X 2014 or the Nexus 5 are both still very good higher end Android devices that offer at or near stock Android...

 

[nyc_rock]

I am sure you know Apple just released both the 6 and 6+. Yes, they offered one size for many years and were chastised for it. They reacted. Can you imagine if they had only released the 6+?? Can you even imagine? LOL.

Moto X 2014 has sub par battery life and a sub par camera. We already have the Nexus 5 for that.

Look, I'm glad you are excited for the Nexus 6. IMO, Google either doesnt want the Nexus to be a mainstream device or they really believe that 6 inches is the new 5 inches. The former of which doesn't really make sense because then why would they release it on all the carriers? Either way, I think they made a mistake.

 

[Robbie317]

I am sure you know Apple just released both the 6 and 6+. Yes, they offered one size for many years and were chastised for it. They reacted. Can you imagine if they had only released the 6+?? Can you even imagine? LOL.

Moto X 2014 has sub par battery life and a sub par camera. We already have the Nexus 5 for that.

Look, I'm glad you are excited for the Nexus 6. IMO, Google either doesnt want the Nexus to be a mainstream device or they really believe that 6 inches is the new 5 inches. The former of which doesn't really make sense because then why would they release it on all the carriers? Either way, I think they made a mistake.

If Apple only released a 6+ the fans would have grumbled a little and then bought it in droves. Apple swore for years 3.5 was the perfect screen size and then went to 4 inches and made fun of everyone who was at 4.3 or 4.5 as being too big and now they have 4.7 and 5.5... but from 2007 - 20012 they offered just one flavor/size phone per year....

As for the Nexus 6.... Being on every carrier and being offered and sold in stores and on contract...................... People said the original Note was going to flop.... I think you are going to be very surprised at the number of Nexus 6 devices that sell... The Note is still very popular and the Nexus 6 is just barely bigger than the Note 3/4 with an almost .30 inch larger screen....

 

[Slow_S10]

Just for grins here is a shot of my N5, N7 and mock up N6.

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