The V30 rumoured battery: Disappointment or a non issue?

[Ry]

Well, yes. Because you list the V20's features, but not the Note 8's compared to the presumed V30. That's really the point. Which of those features really distinguishes the phone? Sound? (Personally, I use wired headphones about 3x per year these days...)

Who doesn't have a good screen, a good camera, good sound?

removable batteries
second screen.

Pretty good starting points for something really different that no longer is.

It seems to me you're missing the point about the V-line's place in the market.

LG themselves has positioned the V10 and V20 as the best phones for content (photo and video) creation and consumption.

I list the V20's tent-pole features because this is what the V30 builds on.

I already gave you the second screen. All signs point to LG not carrying that feature over to the next iteration. It's a loss of a high-end feature, for sure. But what are they putting it it's place? They are simplifying to the 18:9 (2:1) aspect ratio. That all-screen front they did with the LG G6 - same thing Samsung did with the S8 and highly-likely the same thing Samsung is bringing to the Note 8 - LG's doing it with the V30. Also they're switching from LCD to OLED which opens the door to Daydream (hello content consumption) and proper VR. Even trade at minimum, though I think it's a bigger plus than most people realize.

Removable batteries though? It's not a high-end feature. It's not a flagship feature. And that's not just based on my opinion. It's not a headline feature. LG's not touting it as a differentiator in their marketing as to why you should buy a V20 over any other phone with a sealed battery.

Compared to the Note 8, LG wants you to believe media is better with the V30.

 

[flyingkytez]

You can stick with a V20 if you don't like the V30.

Yeah I am. V20 works great and has great features. Camera still good, but it's no DSLR.

 

[flyingkytez]

The V30 is losing nothing useful and gaining what LG believes is an attractive design aimed at attracting mainstream consumers.

Mainstream consumers = Apple users and Samsung users?

 

[flyingkytez]

So where do you want to put those components that live under the bezels? Also, why do people think bezel-less is a good thing? I understand it's a trend, but what makes it better or worse?

Well if you're paying $900 for it, then it should be top of the line. Fat bezels means smaller screen and bigger phone for no reason. Why buy a $900 phone that looks like it's from 2014?

 

[MSFTisMIA]

So where do you want to put those components that live under the bezels? Also, why do people think bezel-less is a good thing? I understand it's a trend, but what makes it better or worse?

This is what I never understood. Component have to go somewhere, especially when people want front facing speakers. Last time I checked, speakers need an echo chamber to work...

 

[MSFTisMIA]

The funny part about LG chasing Samsung and Apple customers...Apple customers are usually like to stick to Apple and Samsung fans do the same. I've personally seen Apple people leave for Samsung because they feel that's their best and simplest alternative.

I respect Google with the Pixel for stating unofficially that they want to offer simple Android experience, and that includes a fully auto camera (no real manual mode). LG has a tough road because they want to keep content creators who know how to get into the software to tweak things and draw in more people who may be willing to learn.

I thought it was a mistake last year to position the V20 as a Note 7 alternative. I think it's a mistake this year to position the V30 as a Note 8 alternative. Go after iPhone 7+ and S8+ and Google Pixel XL people if that's the approach.

 

[Aquila]

Well if you're paying $900 for it, then it should be top of the line. Fat bezels means smaller screen and bigger phone for no reason. Why buy a $900 phone that looks like it's from 2014?

If the best phone on the market looks like it's from 2014 then it looks "old". My question is what's better about looking "newer". Also, 2014 had the Nexus 6 iirc.

 

[L0n3N1nja]

I for one am a bit disappointed in hearing that the V30 will most likely be sporting a 3200mAh battery. It being 100mAh smaller than the upcoming Note 8 is in my book a non event, however that does give Samsung bragging rights that they in fact have the bigger battery. The common thought is that the 835 will run more efficiently and fast charging eliminates the need for large batteries, however it seems like we are going backwards these days or at least staying the same when it comes to battery size.

While I don't think its enough to keep me from buying it if everything else about the phone says buy, buy, buy, it certainly puts a dent in the hopes I had for at least 3500mAh.

The other uncertainty or lack of faith I'm seeing is the P-OLED screen. Some are already expressing hesitancy because LG supposedly had issues with that type of screen in the past. I guess time will tell if these or other features make for a decent phone.

Note will have a larger screen to power as well.

Flagship phones should be slightly thicker for larger batteries in my opinion but this should have no problem out lasting the V20. I believe they are moving to a OLED display which will draw less power, and the SOC will be more energy efficient as well.

 

[monsieurms]

Removable batteries though? It's not a high-end feature. It's not a flagship feature. And that's not just based on my opinion. It's not a headline feature. LG's not touting it as a differentiator in their marketing as to why you should buy a V20 over any other phone with a sealed battery.

Compared to the Note 8, LG wants you to believe media is better with the V30.

There sure was a time when lots of people thought it was a high-end feature and a differentiator. Including LG and Samsung before it went on a "let's make a Samsung more like an iPhone" jag.

I understand perfectly LG's point on what constitutes a market differentiator and a high-end feature. I don't agree with it. (finis,nothing left to add )

 

[sarahgad]

Well, I have used a lot of LG phone but this one. I don't have any problem related to the battery.

 

[Almeuit]

This is what I never understood. Component have to go somewhere, especially when people want front facing speakers. Last time I checked, speakers need an echo chamber to work...

I agree. I mean I don't want an old cell phone bag phone but having a little bezel really isn't that horrible.

 

[Rob Chew]

Non-issue with me and I plan to buy the phone assuring it has their quad dac in the North American version. Despite owning an LG G3 and V10, I never bought a spare battery. I'm never far from a charger and use an external battery pack when I am.

 

[EnemiesInTheEnd]

Doesn't seem to be hurting iPhone sales significantly.

Yeah, but that's for reasons outside of design like iOS and Apple's ecosystem. Besides, Apple fans are the most casual of all phone owners. If anyone doesn't care about design, it is Apple fans.

 

[Aquila]

Yeah, but that's for reasons outside of design like iOS and Apple's ecosystem. Besides, Apple fans are the most casual of all phone owners. If anyone doesn't care about design, it is Apple fans.

I would have gone with them as the most aesthetically demanding, but that's really only the Apple fans. You're right to a point. Most of their consumers really aren't fans, they might not even know Android exists.

 

[Aquila]

The S7 is really one of the ugliest flagship phones around. Terrible edge display, physical buttons, glass back, etc. It looks gaudy and classless. The S8 fixed the buttons issue almost entirely, but still has the rest of the issues. I sincerely hope this glass body nonsense is over soon.

 

[EnemiesInTheEnd]

The S7 is really one of the ugliest flagship phones around. Terrible edge display, physical buttons, glass back, etc. It looks gaudy and classless. The S8 fixed the buttons issue almost entirely, but still has the rest of the issues. I sincerely hope this glass body nonsense is over soon.

Not in a world where Apple, LG, HTC, Sony and Motorola exists.

 

[Aquila]

Not in a world where Apple, LG, HTC, Sony and Motorola exists.

Ha I forgot Moto. They've started making great devices but ugly as sin.

 

[Mike Dee]

Yeah I am. V20 works great and has great features. Camera still good, but it's no DSLR.

Phone cameras will never equal a DSLR under the present format because its mostly about sensor size and lens capability. Having said, phone cameras are pretty good these days.

 

[Mike Dee]

There sure was a time when lots of people thought it was a high-end feature and a differentiator. Including LG and Samsung before it went on a "let's make a Samsung more like an iPhone" jag.

I understand perfectly LG's point on what constitutes a market differentiator and a high-end feature. I don't agree with it. (finis,nothing left to add )

I don't see a removable battery as a high end feature though I like my phone with one. There was a time when all phones had a removable battery.

 

[Mike Dee]

The funny part about LG chasing Samsung and Apple customers...Apple customers are usually like to stick to Apple and Samsung fans do the same. I've personally seen Apple people leave for Samsung because they feel that's their best and simplest alternative.

I respect Google with the Pixel for stating unofficially that they want to offer simple Android experience, and that includes a fully auto camera (no real manual mode). LG has a tough road because they want to keep content creators who know how to get into the software to tweak things and draw in more people who may be willing to learn.

I thought it was a mistake last year to position the V20 as a Note 7 alternative. I think it's a mistake this year to position the V30 as a Note 8 alternative. Go after iPhone 7+ and S8+ and Google Pixel XL people if that's the approach.

I think its a mistake to draw tight boundaries. A high end phone should appeal and draw consumers from multiple sources. If I were designing a phone I would want every to want it even if they had to raid their child's piggy banks.