Thunderbolt vs Bionic

[Johnly]

Bells and whistles better improve functionality, or someone is hugging trees. Looking at UIs is a small incisor, as that can be the first thing gone without root (pun intended.)

LPP blows sense out of the water. Have you seen the sense dock? It is a gawd awful three finction black amebic from the hideous zone.

Motorola was the first to introduce a REAL unified in-box. OS implementation win.

If you ever rooted, ran a ROM custom, and overclocked and undervolted. Don't be fooled by sheep. You know the direction we go......

Motorola sold so well because they got the hardware/performance right.

That is why they will do it again.

If you want and EVO, get one, if you want a BIONIC, get one, just don't be fooled, or led into a trap, the future of your device is as only good as it can perform. You want an Audi, get one, because most people can't run a Bugatti, but if you run a Bugatti, FTW, and slow *** dated hardware. Get the good stuff.

 

[Brett]

Bells and whistles better improve functionality, or someone is hugging trees. Looking at UIs is a small incisor, as that can be the first thing gone without root (pun intended.)

LPP blows sense out of the water. Have you seen the sense dock? It is a gawd awful three finction black amebic from the hideous zone.

Motorola was the first to introduce a REAL unified in-box. OS implementation win.

If you ever rooted, ran a ROM custom, and overclocked and undervolted. Don't be fooled by sheep. You know the direction we go......

Motorola sold so well because they got the hardware/performance right.

That is why they will do it again.

If you want and EVO, get one, if you want a BIONIC, get one, just don't be fooled, or led into a trap, the future of your device is as only good as it can perform. You want an Audi, get one, because most people can't run a Bugatti, but if you run a Bugatti, FTW, and slow *** dated hardware. Get the good stuff.

You have a lot of good points and I really do hope that motorola pulls something off something great.

The only thing I don't agree with is your statement about motorola continuing to put out great devices. I would go ask the droid 2 owners of our forum how much they like their devices.

Sent from my Droid Incredible because I'm too lazy to walk over to my computer.

 

[Chris Kerrigan]

I think the biggest problem plaguing Motorola isn't the quality of the phones themselves, but the updates thereafter. Just ask some of the Droid X owners the hell they've gone through with certain post-launch software updates.

 

[Johnly]

You have a lot of good points and I really do hope that motorola pulls something off something great.

The only thing I don't agree with is your statement about motorola continuing to put out great devices. I would go ask the droid 2 owners of our forum how much they like their devices.

Sent from my Droid Incredible because I'm too lazy to walk over to my computer.

Fair enough good sir. I was referencing that in battery life. I have never seen lengthy threads claiming Motorola stiffed their network of customers with decent battery life. I am talking high end Motorola only. I am NOT a fan of the droid 2. It sucks IMO. I stand corrected. "most of" maybe?

 

[RichardClark]

Below is the link to a thread here that contains a category-by-category comparison of the the specs on the first wave of Verizon LTE phones. Might come in handy when comparing the ThunderBolt to the Bionic.

Spreadsheet comparing Verizon LTE phones

 

[Johnly]

I would love to take that as bible, but we can't. It is speculatory Clark. Give it a couple months, we will see....

 

[PvilleComp]

Hugh?!?!

My Veyron detector went off!

I think it's a shame that the DOLT is coming out now instead of last November. It's a great phone, but it would have been better served against the Droid Pro.

 

[Bushido Brown]

Quadrant scores are becoming less and less relevant since they are hardly an indicator of a device's true performance due to flaws in the way Quadrant calculates said scores.

Check out this post from a writer at AndroidSpin who was able to literally rape his quadrant score to over 3,000 by exploiting some of the significant flaws in Quadrant's algorithm (he goes on to say that the increase in score translated to zero increase in performance). These flaws with Quadrant have even been confirmed by the almighty cyanogen himself:

AndroidSPIN ? My Quadrant is bigger than your Quadrant

Just last week I worked on two different phones (an Incredible and a Droid X). One of those phones had a much higher quad score, but was much more sluggish during use. Which would you rather have - the higher score, or the smoother phone?

I'm not saying that the Atrix or any other dual-core phone will be slow (cuz they won't be). All I'm saying is that a quad score is not the final answer in whether a device is "faster" or "better". All I'm saying is that there are many other factors that go into the speed of a device besides the pure hardware (each manufacturers skin - sense, motoblur, etc - has a huge impact on this).

So again, which is more important - a quad score, or how fast the device actually feels during use? Personally, I care more about having a phone that feels smoother and acts quicker during use in my hand than I do about some number that a flawed program scores it as.

Again, I'm not saying that the TB will be faster than the Atrix. I'm only saying that Quadrant is a poor indicator as to how much faster/slower each phone is

You can manipulate an urine analysis too, ya know. Doesn't mean the test is bunk, it just means it can be manipulated. Its still a pretty useful tool in testing how powerful a device is. HTC has better transitions which make it appear "faster" It's similar to the way the iPhone controls the speed in which you can scroll to eliminate the look of choppiness.

I assure those that think Motorola and Nvidia dumbed millions into an OS that couldn't utilize their hardware are severely mistaken.

^precisely the point I was trying to make

 

[Damn_Smooth]

If the bionic was made by anyone other than moto I would be all over it. I will not use a phone that has no chance of a cyanogenmod port again. Looks like I'll be getting the thunderbolt on a 1 year contract and wait for dual core until it will actually be utilized, witch won't be until there is a nexus phone with a dual core in it. The specs on the bionic do look great, I do have to admit that. It's just too bad that it's the execution that really matters and in my opinion moto has failed hard in that area since the original droid.

 

[bkorver]

My decision, and I've wavered back and forth on this a few times in the last few days, will come down to two things. And believe it or not, processor and RAM didn't make the list.

1) How usable will the phone be? I want the one that I can actually use. I'm not a hard core 3d gamer, I am a web surfer/app user. Everything else is icing on the cake. So which one is going to feel more intuitive and pleasing to my eyes. I have a hunch it is going to be the one with sense, but I will give the Bionic a fair test run side by side...

2) I have every intention of rooting and throwing on every custom rom I can get my hands on. I may even get really crazy and try a kernel or two to see if I can get the processor up to 1.5. I already have a custom splash screen ready to go thanks to my gaphicly inclined wife. That to me is more fun than playing a 3D tank war game or something.

I know what we think the specs are and what we think that means as far as speed and raw power, but since I'm the one spending my money, I want to get the phone that fits those two bills to my satisfaction, not anyone else's.

 

[SUB-dawg]

My decision, and I've wavered back and forth on this a few times in the last few days, will come down to two things. And believe it or not, processor and RAM didn't make the list.

1) How usable will the phone be? I want the one that I can actually use. I'm not a hard core 3d gamer, I am a web surfer/app user. Everything else is icing on the cake. So which one is going to feel more intuitive and pleasing to my eyes. I have a hunch it is going to be the one with sense, but I will give the Bionic a fair test run side by side...

2) I have every intention of rooting and throwing on every custom rom I can get my hands on. I may even get really crazy and try a kernel or two to see if I can get the processor up to 1.5. I already have a custom splash screen ready to go thanks to my gaphicly inclined wife. That to me is more fun than playing a 3D tank war game or something.

I know what we think the specs are and what we think that means as far as speed and raw power, but since I'm the one spending my money, I want to get the phone that fits those two bills to my satisfaction, not anyone else's.

comments

1. The HTC Thunderbolt is a very fast and snappy device just like the incredible. The Browser has better features also.

2. For rooting, HTC puts almost no restriction of what you can do.

 

[menschmaschine5]

The HTC device will definitely be more hacker friendly. I'm 99% sure that the Bionic will still have a locked bootloader.

There is hope, though; look on the front page. The Motorola Milestone finally has a Cyanogen port, so the locked bootloader may be possible to crack...

 

[Johnly]

nothing to compare....lol! Bionic will be a secure machine, the HTC will be exploitable...one will have better hardware, one will not.....oY!

 

[bkorver]

The HTC device will definitely be more hacker friendly. I'm 99% sure that the Bionic will still have a locked bootloader.

Not so fast... keep in mind that the E-Fuse and locked bootloader was a function of and designed for use with the OMAP processors. Moto switched from TI to NVidia for their processing needs. We won't know if the bootloader will be locked or if they will try to lock down the memory itself until someone tries to root one and throw on a custom recovery...

 

[tropper]

We dont know what the new MOTO Blur will look or be like. Could be Sense like or could be better?

What Im mostly lookin for is smooth, fast, STABLE, great battery life, feature rich (not VZW bloat).
To me that seems like the Dolt.
My deductions predict the MObio to be a battery hog till honeycomb drops, use's a great processor even only if using one core at a time, but I believe that the DDR ram will be what eats the batt. even tho it is a big 1900 mAh. I feel the Dolt with a newer Snappy will be great on battery life, contrary to everyones comparison to the Dinc, even tho it will utilise a 4G radio.
Plus Im pretty excited for the New HTC maps since they have a partnership with TomTom, as well as being able to link to HTC's hub to download Sense specific widgets will be pretty nice!
As for the fast, smooth, stable part I already know sense to be fast smooth scolling and visually pleasing, because my rooted eris, side by side with my fiancees stock eris purchased together, is kinda laggy and not as smooth. So sense running on a crazy fast processor is gonna be silky smooth.
And waiting on a HTC tablet too!

 

[menschmaschine5]

Not so fast... keep in mind that the E-Fuse and locked bootloader was a function of and designed for use with the OMAP processors. Moto switched from TI to NVidia for their processing needs. We won't know if the bootloader will be locked or if they will try to lock down the memory itself until someone tries to root one and throw on a custom recovery...

Moto has made it clear that locked bootloaders will be standard practice. I refer you to this article containing a quote from a Moto spokesperson's blog:

http://www.androidcentral.com/motorola-bootloader-lockdown-explained

It's possible that they've changed their minds, but since locked bootloaders really don't negatively affect sales, it's doubtful.

 

[Chris Kerrigan]

Yeah I don't think Motorola has any intention of straying from this practice any time soon. Like you said, it hasn't affected their sales, and I don't see it ever really hurting sales. As long as that's not the case, or unless Google makes them (doubtful), they will continue down this path.

 

[mclarryjr]

There losing my sales with that locked bootloader

I'm sure the number they are losing is pretty small and insugnificant but they are losing.

And I agree with Chris that they will not be changing the bootloader

Thunderbolt here I come

 

[SUB-dawg]

There losing my sales with that locked bootloader

I'm sure the number they are losing is pretty small and insugnificant but they are losing.

And I agree with Chris that they will not be changing the bootloader

Thunderbolt here I come

good choice

 

[Treknologist]

I'm thinking of getting the Thunderbolt. I really like Sense and I think the additional RAM will help the phone continue to perform well. Now, if I was choosing a tablet running Android, I'd want a dual core processor for sure as I would push the tablet to the limit with games. The phone, not so much, so the single core processor would be fine.