Unlimited Data - With PDANet, Tethered 412GB last month. @ risk for account cancellation?

[Mikey47]

Re: Got my bill - I tethered 412 GB last month

There's more to the comments than these three quotes, but I'm using these to help illustrate why some users feel that tethering large amounts of data when paying for unlimited ? even when an unrestricted tethering feature is not available ? is justifiable.

Key word there is "feel". I may "feel" that I'm justified in doing 85mph on the freeway (my car is new and can handle it, the freeway was just resurfaced and is smooth and lacks lots of turns, there is almost no traffic). But guess what, the cop who pulls me over doesn't care about any of that, and will give me a ticket.

So, Sprint writes the rules that govern this user, as long as those are the rules, if they kick him off the network because of it, he has no recourse.

 

[zkSharks]

Re: Got my bill - I tethered 412 GB last month

Key word there is "feel". I may "feel" that I'm justified in doing 85mph on the freeway (my car is new and can handle it, the freeway was just resurfaced and is smooth and lacks lots of turns, there is almost no traffic). But guess what, the cop who pulls me over doesn't care about any of that, and will give me a ticket.

So, Sprint writes the rules that govern this user, as long as those are the rules, if they kick him off the network because of it, he has no recourse.

Of course that's the key word. We're all in different situations and have different points of view by which we judge others (and their decisions) and establish a sense of what is acceptable. As I said, the purpose of my post was to convey the feelings some have regarding how data is managed by carriers, in this case specifically regarding tethering. There's a point to be made for why the logic behind carriers' tethering policies breaks down very quickly when scrutinized, and Andrew did so succinctly. That point of view doesn't immediately absolve anyone from responsibility to abide by the carriers' established policies, nor are you required to align your opinions with it.

 

[gollum18]

The amount of data a user consumes in a set period of time has no bearing on the performance other users on the same network will see.

You need to understand basic networking. The way any internet service works is this. The provider allows all users on the network to run at a certain speed. That speed is Dependant on a number of factors. One, how many users are on that same network (in this case, how many are on the same tower); two a cell tower outputs a certain speed, that speed is then didlvided by how many users are on that tower (for example, if a tower outputs 1gb/second speed, and there are 100 users on the tower, everyone will see ~10mb per second speed.

The bigger issue is this. Why is your carrier making you pay for a feature that originally comes free on android?

I will reiterate this, the amount of data a user consumes has no bearing on the performance others will see from the same tower, because everyone sees the same speeds regardless of the amount of data consumed.

I hoped that helped clarify things. Please do your research before believing what your carrier tells you. They lie simply to protect their enterprise. And there are a lot more secrets your kept in the dark about then just this.

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[tgp]

Re: Got my bill - I tethered 412 GB last month

Key word there is "feel". I may "feel" that I'm justified in doing 85mph on the freeway (my car is new and can handle it, the freeway was just resurfaced and is smooth and lacks lots of turns, there is almost no traffic). But guess what, the cop who pulls me over doesn't care about any of that, and will give me a ticket.

So, Sprint writes the rules that govern this user, as long as those are the rules, if they kick him off the network because of it, he has no recourse.

I was thinking about the issue of driving the speed limit as well. Probably everybody here, including those who expressed their disapproval at the OP's tethering, drive over the speed limit. It's technically against the law to drive even 1MPH/1KPH over, yet we do it because we know that we can usually get by with it. And, every once in a while we'll get caught and penalized. If the OP tethers 412GB, he might get by with it. If he does it again and again then likely Sprint will notice and take corrective action.

Disclaimer: I'm not justifying tethering 412GB or driving over the speed limit; just pointing out a similar concept here. Why do we disapprove one but practice the other?

 

[tippmann15]

Well I suppose if I paid a "I can drive as fast as I want premium highway" fee, and was given a ticket... I'd be pretty mad.

GS4/iPhone5

 

[Mikey47]

The amount of data a user consumes in a set period of time has no bearing on the performance other users on the same network will see.

You need to understand basic networking. The way any internet service works is this. The provider allows all users on the network to run at a certain speed. That speed is Dependant on a number of factors. One, how many users are on that same network (in this case, how many are on the same tower); two a cell tower outputs a certain speed, that speed is then didlvided by how many users are on that tower (for example, if a tower outputs 1gb/second speed, and there are 100 users on the tower, everyone will see ~10mb per second speed.

The bigger issue is this. Why is your carrier making you pay for a feature that originally comes free on android?

I will reiterate this, the amount of data a user consumes has no bearing on the performance others will see from the same tower, because everyone sees the same speeds regardless of the amount of data consumed.

I hoped that helped clarify things. Please do your research before believing what your carrier tells you. They lie simply to protect their enterprise. And there are a lot more secrets your kept in the dark about then just this.

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That's fine, I've never said that but I know others have. Let's say you are a cable TV subscriber and you subscribe to the basic tier. You then have a "pirate box" that allows you to get all the channels for free. You are not harking anyone, not slowing anyone's else's TV down, etc. But it's still against the policy of the cable company (and in this case probably against the law too).

So even if it's not harming anyone else, it is still against Sprint policy and the terms and conditions we all agreed to.

 

[asanatheist]

Re: Got my bill - I tethered 412 GB last month

lol all these peeps have no idea how the internet works. if hes using 412 gb of data it does not slow down your connection one bit. this is a lie your carrier tells you to justify billing you what they do for what little you get. all this hate should be directly toward the carriers since they are they ones that control the system.

this guy should be applauded and I hope nothing comes of it
Cable Industry Finally Admits That Data Caps Have Nothing To Do With Congestion | Techdirt

Is this a joke or something?
Please read the article you just linked that's for BROADBAND INTERNET. In other words land lines. Not cell towers.

Anyways OP, good job on getting away on being a freeloader.
At anyone questioning this forum's staff/mods just know this: Their playground, their rules. If they wish to turn a blind eye because it fits their prerogative, that's their choice. Doesn't mean you have to agree to follow it.

 

[Mikey47]

Well I suppose if I paid a "I can drive as fast as I want premium highway" fee, and was given a ticket... I'd be pretty mad.

GS4/iPhone5

Awesome analogy. No assume the "drive each as fast as you want" fee stays with the vehicle and not the driver. You'll have to pay that for each vehicle you want to drive as fast as you want. No matter that I own a car and a truck. If I want to drive them both as fast as I can, I have to pay the fee for both.

That is exactly what Sprint is saying. If you are going to use 500GB of data a month on your phone (say you stream 500 movies because you're laid up for a month, streaming music 24 hours a day, etc.), they have no problem with that. But we all know they have a problem with us using their network as an ISP for several devices. That's all.

 

[asanatheist]

The amount of data a user consumes in a set period of time has no bearing on the performance other users on the same network will see.

You need to understand basic networking. The way any internet service works is this. The provider allows all users on the network to run at a certain speed. That speed is Dependant on a number of factors. One, how many users are on that same network (in this case, how many are on the same tower); two a cell tower outputs a certain speed, that speed is then didlvided by how many users are on that tower (for example, if a tower outputs 1gb/second speed, and there are 100 users on the tower, everyone will see ~10mb per second speed.

The bigger issue is this. Why is your carrier making you pay for a feature that originally comes free on android?

I will reiterate this, the amount of data a user consumes has no bearing on the performance others will see from the same tower, because everyone sees the same speeds regardless of the amount of data consumed.

I hoped that helped clarify things. Please do your research before believing what your carrier tells you. They lie simply to protect their enterprise. And there are a lot more secrets your kept in the dark about then just this.

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I think you are forgetting something gollum. In networking you are also thought to take measurements of high usage times, and to displace workloads into different time frames to maximize a networks maximum throughput. (think 2,000 people in the same building, or running a data center). Carriers cannot ask their customers to get on at certain times.
You are looking at the macro not the micro.
The longer you are on for (hence high data usage), the higher the risk of creating a saturation point.

 

[Almeuit]

Re: Got my bill - I tethered 412 GB last month

The speeds have absolutely NOTHING to do with people using a lot of data. You need to do homework before spouting stuff that doesn't even make sense lol. Look at T-Mobile.. Unlimited people there and not slow speeds... Why? Because they invested in their network.

Sprint tried Wimax and it failed.. And they didn't keep up with their 3g so it fell behind. The data is not slow due to users.. It's due to themselves.

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[delta7]

Re: Got my bill - I tethered 412 GB last month

I have terrible reception, I cannot get data around my area and I'm trying to leave sprint.

 

[jhill110]

Re: Got my bill - I tethered 412 GB last month

Oh, it's not free. You, I and all the other Sprint customers pay for you "free"-loaders. And yes, I hope they cut you off.

Hmm... As I said before... I have very poor speeds here even by 3g standards... Should I feel like I am subsidizing all the folks with LTE because I pay the same price as they do for an inferior product? Sometimes I do... Sometimes I don't. Depends on my mood. But the fact is I'm paying for something I don't get. So, is the OP doing anything sprint isn't? Afterall, I am paying sprint for something they don't give me. The OP is getting something he's supposed to pay for. Is there a moral equivalency here? I don't know... I'm not that smart

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[GiantJay]

Re: Got my bill - I tethered 412 GB last month

Hmm... As I said before... I have very poor speeds here even by 3g standards... Should I feel like I am subsidizing all the folks with LTE because I pay the same price as they do for an inferior product? Sometimes I do... Sometimes I don't. Depends on my mood. But the fact is I'm paying for something I don't get. So, is the OP doing anything sprint isn't? Afterall, I am paying sprint for something they don't give me. The OP is getting something he's supposed to pay for. Is there a moral equivalency here? I don't know... I'm not that smart

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I feel the same way. My speeds are absolutely pathetic. I am paying for voice and text pretty much.

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[slave]

Re: Got my bill - I tethered 412 GB last month

The speeds have absolutely NOTHING to do with people using a lot of data. You need to do homework before spouting stuff that doesn't even make sense lol. Look at T-Mobile.. Unlimited people there and not slow speeds... Why? Because they invested in their network.

Sprint tried Wimax and it failed.. And they didn't keep up with their 3g so it fell behind. The data is not slow due to users.. It's due to themselves.

Sent from my T-Mobile HTC One using AC Forums.

He didn't say that it effected the speed. Where did you see that at?

What it does is cost Sprint money. It costs Sprint, AT&T, VZW, T-Mobile, etc. money to deliver data. They count on a certain number of data per customer. If yo tether, you will use more data, and cost the carrier more money to deliver it. They charge you to use Hot Spot to recoup those costs.

People who use a ton of data cost them way more money that everyone else. That is the problem. He cheated, didn't pay for his hot spot, then used up 412 GB of data. Sprint is completely within rights to cancel him. Everyone should play by the same rules. Then we can maybe get prices lowered.

 

[philly]

will sprint come after me? im freaking out

wow.. troll for attention much?

how does anyone use 412gbs anyhow?

 

[philly]

Re: Got my bill - I tethered 412 GB last month

Well... I think it sucks to get charged for tethering...
As a 9 year sprint vet I'll take this time to rant....
Here in Santa Barbara there's no LTE. the 3g is so crappy you can't even watch a video. It pisses me off I have to pay for Primium data when it doesn't exist here . I use about 10 to 15 megs of data a month. I rarely use data outside of my house (wi-fi).
So in closing a big #%?"@! them.
Ah, I feel a little better.

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uh? why have you been using them for 9 years if that is the service they are offering you? I don't get some of you people.. use your heads a little bit.. stop paying monthly bills for a service that sucks.. other carrier options out there.

 

[bobbob1016]

Although, it could be said that people who use *that* much data are why we don't have Unlimited plans on AT&T/Verizon, and soon to be Sprint*. Unlimited is Unlimited for your phone, not your PC. Torrenting over cellular is not a good idea. Barring the legality, you connect to however many different places at once. You also have a lot of overhead, and slow down everyone on the tower you connect to. So, you did do something to anyone on your tower.

I like Unlimited for browsing, but not Torrenting as it is really, really, messy, and impacts everyone on the tower. Netflix is one thing, but tethering and using desktop, non-optimized for mobile sites/services is excessive.

*Sprint is likely planning to drop Unlimited as they have those ads "Lock in Unlimited for the life of your contract"

 

[tippmann15]

Re: Got my bill - I tethered 412 GB last month

If you keep ripping a company off, you're darn right they will charge everyone else more. This is just like shoplifting, you're taking a company's product without paying for it. As for living in the dark, it is not I who is living there.

This is the one and only thing I hate about Android Central - they are quick to shut down threads where people are talking about pirating APKs, etc, but talk of tethering on a plan that doesn't support it? They turn a blind eye.

But I realize I'm far in the minority with my opinion.

Is ripping off the company in the sense that they say so, and that's about it :-(. One person using that much data (generally) has zero negative impact or extra costs associated with it.


Galaxy S4 + iPhone 5

 

[tippmann15]

Awesome analogy. No assume the "drive each as fast as you want" fee stays with the vehicle and not the driver. You'll have to pay that for each vehicle you want to drive as fast as you want. No matter that I own a car and a truck. If I want to drive them both as fast as I can, I have to pay the fee for both.

That is exactly what Sprint is saying. If you are going to use 500GB of data a month on your phone (say you stream 500 movies because you're laid up for a month, streaming music 24 hours a day, etc.), they have no problem with that. But we all know they have a problem with us using their network as an ISP for several devices. That's all.

I see your point, however in this case I believe it would be like the truck pulling your car on a trailer, which yeah I'd still be angry ^^.


Galaxy S4 + iPhone 5

 

[tippmann15]

Re: Got my bill - I tethered 412 GB last month

uh? why have you been using them for 9 years if that is the service they are offering you? I don't get some of you people.. use your heads a little bit.. stop paying monthly bills for a service that sucks.. other carrier options out there.

Well to be fair, if he was a longtime flip phone or blackberry user, speeds wouldn't have mattered :/).


Galaxy S4 + iPhone 5