Way too many issues, who's jumping ship once S22 Ultra launches?

[I Can Be Your Hero]

Samsung have gotten considerably better over the last year or two... Is there something specific that bothers you? I'm happy to check if it can now be uninstalled or is even there at all.

Also, to be devils advocate, "bloat" is quite subjective... Say you have your pixel, but you prefer outlook and textra... What are Gmail and messages? Bloat that can't be uninstalled?

Exactly. Bloat is contextual. I primarily use Microsoft's corporate products and my workplace uses Microsoft, so all the Google drive and Gmail and all that stuff is useless to me. I don't know why I can't delete the Pixel Tips app. So all this is considered bloat/junk.

On top of that, Samsung would want their own apps on their phones but have to provide Google apps as part of the Android licence, so in that sense, all of Google's apps are actually bloat on a Samsung device, not the other way around. Google are forcing their apps on other, non-Google phones when OEM's may not want them. That's the bloat.

No phone is perfect but never had issues like this with my other phones. I can deal with clearing Data in apps but not data cutting in & out.

Yeah I've been having a lot of issues too. Pixel 6 Pro is one of the buggiest phones I've ever used. Even after the January update. Whether it's Android 12, Tensor it whatever, the phone needs some serious patching.

Just waiting on Samsung to have their event then release the S22 line.

 

[mustang7757]

Exactly. Bloat is contextual. I primarily use Microsoft's corporate products and my workplace uses Microsoft, so all the Google drive and Gmail and all that stuff is useless to me. I don't know why I can't delete the Pixel Tips app. So all this is consider bloat/junk.

On top of that, Samsung would want their own apps on their phones but have to provide Google apps as part of the Android licence, so in that sense, all of Google's apps are actually bloat on a Samsung device, not the other way around. Google are forcing their apps on other, non-Google phones when OEM's may not want them. That's the bloat.

These 2 apps deletes them on Samsung or any bloat, i think you probably know of them .

Alliance Shield X(Free )
Or
https://www.packagedisabler.com/

 

[subguy812]

I will say I am not looking forward to jumping on the S22U thread and going through this all over, same as the S21U thread and the Pixel 6 thread. No one is forcing me I get it, but on a rare occasion there is some useful stuff aside from the "I returned my", "what color", "my SOT", "battery life" and the various other keyboard warriors and trolls.

At $1200 vs.$800 for my P6P it will be a tough sell to me to really feel I will be getting $400 more than I have with the P6P. The only thing that eases the Samsung pain is I will probably will only have to come out of pocket with 400-500 out of pocket with a S21U trade.

 

[Aflaaaak]

No phone will be trouble free, just like no truck, no TV, etc. Anything made by man or woman can have problems.

The reception issues of the P6 for some people is my biggest concern. Granted those with problems might be in low signal areas, but I am in a low signal area; that I know for a fact! Cameras are not a big feature for me, and from what I have seen the P6 cameras are a lot better then my 4XL; but I don't use them enough to care. The display looks great, the phone is the best looking phone on the market but looks and cameras don't make phone calls.

Therefore, I am going to the model with what is most likely the best modem made for USA. There is NO doubt, the Exynos modem used on the P6 phones has never been used in the USA before. And Google, over time, may get those adjusted with software updates, but no guarantee that can become a reality, as there is no guarantee with any phone. (And it appears the forthcoming Feb Update for Pixel phones includes another "Phone Bug Fixes for device connectivity." Does that relate to the P6? But only Pixel I read about having connectivity problems. And if yes, that is a good thing.)

https://forums.androidcentral.com/general-news-discussion/1038892-february-google-update.html#post7031477

And of course I expect the price to be higher! If the latest 'rumors' are correct and the S22 retains the same pricing structure as the S21 series it will be $250 more for the S22U (256gb) than for a Pixel 6 Pro (256gb) model. ($1249.99 vs. $999.99.)

Even if it is $100.00 more, it sure will not send me to the poor house. (I spend more than that on air freshners for the house due to the constant negative zero weather and two older Malamutes that have more gas than there is snow outside.)

"I spend more than that on air freshners for the house due to the constant negative zero weather and two older Malamutes that have more gas than there is snow outside" LOL! .
In all seriousness, the connectivity issue stopped me dead in my tracks dead in my tracks. We live in a good Verizon coverage area (S.F.), but have a remote cabin in the Sierras and have always been able to snag a signal a short walk up the road. I have been a regular reader of these posts to see if the software updates have been able to overcome the poor hardware choice for the P6 modems. Seems like it has made a difference for some, not so much for others. Maybe I'll keep waiting for the February update to decide. Hard to believe Google will hang all the P6 customers out to dry and risk its reputation over such an important feature of a phone - the phone part.
For me, no way I'm spending $250 for air fresheners, let alone $1250 for a phone. But many will. I sure miss the days when Verizon gave me my LG G4 for free for a contract renewal .

 

[Scott337]

I know reception has been an issue for many, and can certainly understand the frustration with those issues, or the hesitation in getting a phone that might have reception issues. I put this in another thread months ago: for me, my Pixel 6 has the best reception with Verizon than any phone I have had for years, in an area known for bad reception. This has been the case for me before and after the January update. I can make calls in the same parking lot where users with Samsung phones cannot.

 

[htcrazy]

Same here. My P6P has been nearly perfect. No dropped calls and I live in an area of marginal reception (AT&T). Next to my S21 Ultra, they are both nearly identical in signal strength using Network Cell Info. I hope Monday's patch will fix issues for the remaining people. If you live or work in a very poor signal area, you may have to experiment to see which phones and or carriers work best. There are dead spots near where I live that virtually any cell phone will drop the signal or not connect.

 

[PaulQ]

Same. No major problems. If I were to switch to the Samsung, it would be the pull of the S22U that gets me, not my P6P pushing me away.

(no way I can afford an S22U now, though)

 

[anon(40376)]

"I spend more than that on air freshners for the house due to the constant negative zero weather and two older Malamutes that have more gas than there is snow outside" LOL! .
In all seriousness, the connectivity issue stopped me dead in my tracks dead in my tracks. We live in a good Verizon coverage area (S.F.), but have a remote cabin in the Sierras and have always been able to snag a signal a short walk up the road. I have been a regular reader of these posts to see if the software updates have been able to overcome the poor hardware choice for the P6 modems. Seems like it has made a difference for some, not so much for others. Maybe I'll keep waiting for the February update to decide. Hard to believe Google will hang all the P6 customers out to dry and risk its reputation over such an important feature of a phone - the phone part.
For me, no way I'm spending $250 for air fresheners, let alone $1250 for a phone. But many will. I sure miss the days when Verizon gave me my LG G4 for free for a contract renewal .

Similar to my problem. Thanks to a new tower and major improvements in Verizon towers somewhat near to my house, I have a service and basically around the property. However, I walk those two old Mals darn near ever AM at 3-4 and if I head east, I will lose service; if I head west, the service gets better. The current signals are based on a 4XL, and just checking in the red at -110dBm.

I would love to purchase the Pixel 6 in cloudy white. I will say it again, it is the best looking damn phone out there at this time. And that is from someone who thought it was not good looking from the early renders. However, seeing it person in the Verizon store in Jackson, I came to love the look. But looks don't make emergency calls, looks don't allow for all the spammers to send me text messages, a strong modem does. Therefore, I'm gambling on a new modem from Qualcomm; however, based on the older X60 should not be a problem.

Maybe the new Feb update will help the modem on the P6. There appears to be a coming fix in Feb and since this update is only for Pixels at this time, and only three or four pixels beings serviced, I'm thinking maybe more for the P6.


I'll keep with the cost of air freshners since those two old Malamutes are going nowhere;farts or not.

 

[Guyinbox]

I was very unhappy with the camera on the s21 ultra, so I will wait until I see some camera reviews from the 22. I'm very interested in the pixel foldable though.

 

[PowrDroid]

I can also see a tablet lasting for much longer than my phone.

But will it get Android OS updates for as long as a phone would?

 

[ahaxton]

I've had this phone since they launched, and had not a problem. My last Samsung was the S9+, and the only thing I preferred about it was the ease with logging in. It used facial recognition first, then fingerprint, then PIN. Instead of being only one solution, it chose all of the above. Loved that. Outside of that, give me my Pixel. Hold For Me alone has changed my life.

 

[Chex313]

Simple. Don't finance anything. Ever.

I could certainly afford to not finance anything including a new car or house...but I take 0% financing everytime and keep my money earning high % in my IRA.

As for the OP...I do not use Samsung phones. My P6 Pro is great...No issues.

 

[Aflaaaak]

I could certainly afford to not finance anything including a new car or house...but I take 0% financing everytime and keep my money earning high % in my IRA.

As for the OP...I do not use Samsung phones. My P6 Pro is great...No issues.

Exactly! Why NOT let Verzon or TMobile or whomever give you a Zero Interest loan for $1000??
It also DOES allows folks who it IS a large expenditure for to enjoy the same device as higher earners. Why is that a bad thing?

 

[anon(40376)]

So, Verzion, ATT or T-mobile sell you the phone with zero interest out of the goodness of their hearts or because they love their customers?

No, they do it because you sign a contract and over the two or three year period pay more for the services you receive than if you went to an MVNO that was using their towers. And yes the plans are the same with or without the sale of the phone, but the contract guarantees you are a customer for x-number of months and if broken, you pay to leave.

Although I am not going to research their rates, I'm sure they are making a lot more on the over charges than they would if they financed they phone. They are using their money to purchase the phones from the manufactures, thus they tying up their money for phones.

There is a reason people need to finance phones; no doubt. But even if Zero Interest, believe me, the carriers are making a profit on the sale of that phone to you because they only love your money and they have no hearts.

And yes, I know not all are in the position to purchase expensive phones outright. And all have the right to get an expensive phone if that is what they desire and that is what they can afford to pay over a contractual period of time. Not my place to say good or bad, just to say. not for me. Only contact I have is on a mortgage and that is for tax purposes more than anything else. (Showing my age, but I can remember when credit card interest, as well as interest from other "consumer loans" was tax deductible.)

 

[Scott337]

The carriers are making a profit in the rates they charge us to use their network, no doubt about that. They are in business to make money. But the rates they charge on their plans don't increase if you finance your phone with 0% interest vs buying the phone outright. My monthly fee has been the same for years whether I buy the phone outright or buy it with 24 payments, in either case there is no contract to sign and no fee increase.

 

[bkeaver]

So, Verzion, ATT or T-mobile sell you the phone with zero interest out of the goodness of their hearts or because they love their customers?

No, they do it because you sign a contract and over the two or three year period pay more for the services you receive than if you went to an MVNO that was using their towers. And yes the plans are the same with or without the sale of the phone, but the contract guarantees you are a customer for x-number of months and if broken, you pay to leave.

Although I am not going to research their rates, I'm sure they are making a lot more on the over charges than they would if they financed they phone. They are using their money to purchase the phones from the manufactures, thus they tying up their money for phones.

There is a reason people need to finance phones; no doubt. But even if Zero Interest, believe me, the carriers are making a profit on the sale of that phone to you because they only love your money and they have no hearts.

And yes, I know not all are in the position to purchase expensive phones outright. And all have the right to get an expensive phone if that is what they desire and that is what they can afford to pay over a contractual period of time. Not my place to say good or bad, just to say. not for me. Only contact I have is on a mortgage and that is for tax purposes more than anything else. (Showing my age, but I can remember when credit card interest, as well as interest from other "consumer loans" was tax deductible.)

You only have to pay off the phone to leave, that is it..

 

[SAVAGE420]

Love the P6P so far.
Came from years of Samsung since the S2,4,6,8 to the S10 a month ago. Which was good as well.

Fingerprint scanner has always works good and fast. Battery life is pretty good, depending on usage of course. Everything else seems fine though. Beautiful display, everything is quick.
Takes absolutely AMAZING photos, telephoto lens is beyond great
Currently overall I love it.

 

[dc52ltr]

More than happy with my P6P, as is my wife with hers. Fingerprint sensor was a bit slow until the Jan update but is much quicker now. This one is a keeper

 

[neil74]

The camera on the Samsung phones are just not good enough for every day use as in real everyday photos like pictures of your kids or pets. Reviewers seem more interested in how good the zoom is (I could not care less) and rarely focus on everyday stuff.

I picked up an open box S20 (same camera hardware as S21) and it is just blurry/smudged vision more often than not. Shame as I really like it otherwise.

I am not convinced newer hardware in ths S22 will solve this as it is a processing choice by Samsung.

 

[Blaize19]

So, Verzion, ATT or T-mobile sell you the phone with zero interest out of the goodness of their hearts or because they love their customers?

No, they do it because you sign a contract and over the two or three year period pay more for the services you receive than if you went to an MVNO that was using their towers. And yes the plans are the same with or without the sale of the phone, but the contract guarantees you are a customer for x-number of months and if broken, you pay to leave.

Although I am not going to research their rates, I'm sure they are making a lot more on the over charges than they would if they financed they phone. They are using their money to purchase the phones from the manufactures, thus they tying up their money for phones.

There is a reason people need to finance phones; no doubt. But even if Zero Interest, believe me, the carriers are making a profit on the sale of that phone to you because they only love your money and they have no hearts.

And yes, I know not all are in the position to purchase expensive phones outright. And all have the right to get an expensive phone if that is what they desire and that is what they can afford to pay over a contractual period of time. Not my place to say good or bad, just to say. not for me. Only contact I have is on a mortgage and that is for tax purposes more than anything else. (Showing my age, but I can remember when credit card interest, as well as interest from other "consumer loans" was tax deductible.)

I pay the same flat rate, no additional charges or fees, whether I finance a phone or not, so, no, they aren't making more off me if I finance a phone.

Since I have no plans to switch carriers as I get outstanding signal and service from this one, and have done for over a decade, I see no reason to worry that I'm "locked in" for two years if I finance a phone. Should I ever choose to leave my carrier the only fee I have to pay is to pay off the remaining amount due on the phone if I finance one.

It may be different at different carriers but, for me, there is no downside to spreading the cost of a phone out over a couple of years if I finance one.