Why is everyone dissing the pixel 6/6pro?

[Deleted member 2609113]

This guy worked at Google and gives his take on the Pixel 6/Pro. Thought he would go into a little more depth on the bugs. He gives a little perspective on maybe why Google isn't as fast as it feels like they should at fixing things...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFBMJUuDmrU

I just watched this, thanks for posting this. It's nice to watch a level headed review that is free of hyperbolic fan-person hosannas, recognizing that the Pixel is fundamentally a test and demonstration platform for Android. That there's a bit of a disconnect between the Pixel team and the Android team explains why there are bugs where we think there shouldn't be.
In my wide open eyes I looked at the Pixel series as an advanced prototype that I was willing to invest in and essentially become a field tester. This I knew before I bought it. Yes, bugs are expected, and nifty Pixel only features are a lagniappe.
With all the above the connection bug shouldn't have happened. With the new chip it may have been caused by a domino effect with unintentional consequences. One change made somewhere caused a change elsewhere that wasn't predicted.
For the Pixel 6 series, not for what it is now but for the potential it can become, I can be patient, frustrated, and excited (for the future) all at the same time.

 

[anon(40376)]

I eliminated the problem of providers screwing up the Android OS by going with Google Fi.

I eliminated the problem with the three main providers a long time ago, and still remain on Verizon towers, which around here where I live in ID and where I used to live in Moab UT is essential and that is going with a MVNA that uses Verizon towers. I have never failed to get an update (A-12 came on the day it was released).
It costs me 26.01 per month for unlimited talk and text plus 2gb of data (which I never use; except if I camp in an area where there is service) that is carried over to the fact I have about 30gb available.

 

[slave]

OK, suppose I buy an unlocked Pixel 6 from the Google store. I'm on the Verizon network so I get a 5G sim card from Verizon and install it. Then I start the process of setting up my new phone. What's my status for getting updates?

If it's a brand new phone with the C2 software, put in your sim when you turn it on, you should be okay

 

[slave]

I'm running with the unlocked Google store phone on Verizon with the December update and I have not seen a single issue on my end..

There is only one way to pull that off, and that is to have had your SIM in when you had the C2 software. Then and only then will it work out. Any other software, you get no updates

 

[Aflaaaak]

Thought he did a good, unbiased review, and nice inside view of how big the Pixel Team is, considering most people , including myself, assume the entire resources of Google are available to manage the Pixel phone line.

 

[Aflaaaak]

I just watched this, thanks for posting this. It's nice to watch a level headed review that is free of hyperbolic fan-person hosannas, recognizing that the Pixel is fundamentally a test and demonstration platform for Android. That there's a bit of a disconnect between the Pixel team and the Android team explains why there are bugs where we think there shouldn't be.
In my wide open eyes I looked at the Pixel series as an advanced prototype that I was willing to invest in and essentially become a field tester. This I knew before I bought it. Yes, bugs are expected, and nifty Pixel only features are a lagniappe.
With all the above the connection bug shouldn't have happened. With the new chip it may have been caused by a domino effect with unintentional consequences. One change made somewhere caused a change elsewhere that wasn't predicted.
For the Pixel 6 series, not for what it is now but for the potential it can become, I can be patient, frustrated, and excited (for the future) all at the same time.

Well said!

 

[fuzzylumpkin]

I just watched this, thanks for posting this. It's nice to watch a level headed review that is free of hyperbolic fan-person hosannas, recognizing that the Pixel is fundamentally a test and demonstration platform for Android. That there's a bit of a disconnect between the Pixel team and the Android team explains why there are bugs where we think there shouldn't be.
In my wide open eyes I looked at the Pixel series as an advanced prototype that I was willing to invest in and essentially become a field tester. This I knew before I bought it. Yes, bugs are expected, and nifty Pixel only features are a lagniappe.
With all the above the connection bug shouldn't have happened. With the new chip it may have been caused by a domino effect with unintentional consequences. One change made somewhere caused a change elsewhere that wasn't predicted.
For the Pixel 6 series, not for what it is now but for the potential it can become, I can be patient, frustrated, and excited (for the future) all at the same time.

The problem is, that isn't how the phone is marketed.

This isn't like an old Nexus device that only we power users and developers even know exists. This phone is being advertised everywhere, YouTube, twitch and even print and TV, to normal people as a finished, polished product that can rival the iPhone and Galaxy S devices.

There's no mention on the TV ads that this is a "beta device" only suitable for enthusiasts who want to "field test" an "experimental prototype".

 

[Deleted member 2609113]

The problem is, that isn't how the phone is marketed.

This isn't like an old Nexus device that only we power users and developers even know exists. This phone is being advertised everywhere, YouTube, twitch and even print and TV, to normal people as a finished, polished product that can rival the iPhone and Galaxy S devices.

There's no mention on the TV ads that this is a "beta device" only suitable for enthusiasts who want to "field test" an "experimental prototype".

I was referring to how I looked at the P6 series right from the start. A new phone development will not be perfect from the get go. Only the nieve would expect perfection from such a product.
Even Tesla with all of their cars out there still have bugs. Expensive and potentially dangerous bugs.
Now as far as the connection issue is concerned Google has seriously dropped the ball and should have released a fix long before now.

 

[bkdodger2]

There is only one way to pull that off, and that is to have had your SIM in when you had the C2 software. Then and only then will it work out. Any other software, you get no updates

I've been sideloading it takes me about 5 mins .. I never wait for updates ..

 

[Aflaaaak]

The problem is, that isn't how the phone is marketed.

This isn't like an old Nexus device that only we power users and developers even know exists. This phone is being advertised everywhere, YouTube, twitch and even print and TV, to normal people as a finished, polished product that can rival the iPhone and Galaxy S devices.

There's no mention on the TV ads that this is a "beta device" only suitable for enthusiasts who want to "field test" an "experimental prototype".

I didn't even think about that, and good point...most of the General Public use iPhones or Samsung phones, and expect them to work "out of the box", which is totally understandable. I still think Google should have been better prepared if they got what they wanted, to enter the Main Stream of Consumer Cell Phones, with possibly higher sales on a totally new concept device for them. Not being ready will certainly turn off First Timers who went out and bought the Google "Flagship" on all the glowing reviews as a cheaper alternative to the Big Two hitters of the cell phone world.

 

[Aflaaaak]

I was referring to how I looked at the P6 series right from the start. A new phone development will not be perfect from the get go. Only the nieve would expect perfection from such a product.
Even Tesla with all of their cars out there still have bugs. Expensive and potentially dangerous bugs.
Now as far as the connection issue is concerned Google has seriously dropped the ball and should have released a fix long before now.

A connection issue should have been their Primary fix, otherwise all you have is a Smart Camera in your hands, not a Smart "Phone".

 

[Deleted member 2609113]

A connection issue should have been their Primary fix, otherwise all you have is a Smart Camera in your hands, not a Smart "Phone".

I agree. However there is a fix of sorts. https://9to5google.com/2022/01/07/how-to-downgrade-from-the-december-patch-on-your-google-pixel-6/
It shouldn't be needed but there it is.

 

[fuzzylumpkin]

I agree. However there is a fix of sorts. https://9to5google.com/2022/01/07/how-to-downgrade-from-the-december-patch-on-your-google-pixel-6/
It shouldn't be needed but there it is.

Again though, that's way too much to expect from Jo Public.

The real fix for regular folk is to take it back, swap it for an iPhone, and never touch a pixel again. Google are playing themselves.

 

[Deleted member 2609113]

Again though, that's way too much to expect from Jo Public.

The real fix for regular folk is to take it back, swap it for an iPhone, and never touch a pixel again. Google are playing themselves.

I doubt there are a lot of Joe/Josephine Public on this forum. Those that are here are a bit more knowledgeable, especially those who side loaded the update. This is also a chance to learn something new. Regardless if this isn't a solution one wants to take then by all means switch brands and move on.

 

[StormnNJ]

With the new chip it may have been caused by a domino effect with unintentional consequences. One change made somewhere caused a change elsewhere that wasn't predicted..

I will look for the reference but saw someone stating the android team was having problems with the tensor. Qualcomm does own the market basically as far as share and writing for it as compared to tensor is where they are having issues. As the video stated two different teams.

I am on Dec build VZ and the only problems I have had are BT related. Things haven't been playing well together. Headset, Galaxy watch, and BT speaker connected all at once. That seems to be working though after deleting and repairing several times. Screen not turning off has also cleared itself go figure...

Haven't had signal issues with Dec build but still can't get wifi calling to work. Worked all the time on 12 pro but only way to get it working on p6p is if I throw it in airplane mode turn wifi on

 

[I Can Be Your Hero]

I will look for the reference but saw someone stating the android team was having problems with the tensor.

If you find the source on that I'd like to read it. Though I doubt Google would come out and say they were having trouble with the Tensor chip?

In any case, Tensor is a scrapped Samsung Exynos SoC design. People have dug deep and managed to find out that the Tensor SoC is less Google than they'd like you to believe. Not that Google gets off the hook for it. It's their chip with their name slapped on it - they're responsible.

I don't even see what the benefits of Tensor are. The phone runs hot with mediocre battery life and it isn't as fast as the other chips. It doesn't even get additional OS updates over Snapdragon chips. Should have just gone with Snapdragon imo. Oh well. Hope Tensor 2 improves a lot where Tensor fell short.

 

[TraderGary]

I don't even see what the benefits of Tensor are. The phone runs hot with mediocre battery life and it isn't as fast as the other chips.

Two of the benefits of Tensor are in photo processing and, especially for me, the incredibly fast local processing of accurate voice dictation. I rarely have to double thumb my keyboard anymore.

I've had my Pixel 6 Pro for 5 weeks and it does not run hot.

I run my brightness at 80% and still average 40% battery life at the end of the day. For me that isn't mediocre.

I upgraded from a Pixel 3XL. My speed has become essentially instantaneous. I couldn't care less what other chips do.

Could some of the problems you are having come from where you live in Australia?

 

[Kizzy Catwoman]

Mine doesn’t ever run hot. I just got over 24 hours battery with over 7 hours screen on time with 6% left. I don’t let it run down that far normally but I was just using my phone and I didn’t notice. But it is on the pixel stand gen 2 and charging rapidly. I really don’t have the issues others are talking of.

 

[slave]

My only complaint is the car crash update system. I haven't had the opportunity to run the mid November update or the December update

 

[mustang7757]

My only complaint is the car crash update system. I haven't had the opportunity to run the mid November update or the December update

The safety app?