Android Messages and iMessage reactions

[jelp2]

FWIW, I'm not on any beta program and I've been getting the iPhone reaction emojis on my Pixel 6 Pro for months.

spARTacus
I am not on any beta versions either. I'm just using the standard available google messages app.

That's what I thought, but for some reason I never got those features until I loaded the beta version and only on the beta version. I don't know, I'll just load the beta again.

 

[pseudoware]

Looks like Apple has given some thought to cross-platform messaging and how to resolve some of the limitations.

https://www.engadget.com/tim-cook-response-green-bubbles-android-your-mom-095538175.html

 

[jhilker]

Looks like Apple has given some thought to cross-platform messaging and how to resolve some of the limitations.

https://www.engadget.com/tim-cook-response-green-bubbles-android-your-mom-095538175.html

How nice of Timmy. Remind me to never buy an iPhone!

 

[spARTacus]

Looks like Apple has given some thought to cross-platform messaging and how to resolve some of the limitations.

https://www.engadget.com/tim-cook-response-green-bubbles-android-your-mom-095538175.html

...they concluded that they aren't going to do anything about it, and in the meantime they think people should just buy iPhone's. Did we expect differently?

For me personally, cross platform messaging already works fine via sms/mms.

 

[mustang7757]

...they concluded that they aren't going to do anything about it, and in the meantime they think people should just buy iPhone's. Did we expect differently?

For me personally, cross platform messaging already works fine via sms/mms.

The thing is we not expecting to download iMessage on Android just want them to allow RCS protocol between both platforms . I mean sms does why can't RCS lol
We don't want their secret codes to iMessage just make it enjoyable for both Android and Apple users , Google trying but Tim Crook want to be a pain in the Butt.

 

[spARTacus]

The thing is we not expecting to download iMessage on Android just want them to allow RCS protocol between both platforms . I mean sms does why can't RCS lol
We don't want their secret codes to iMessage just make it enjoyable for both Android and Apple users , Google trying but Tim Crook want to be a pain in the Butt.

I'd guess that if Apple thinks there could be something they could do (or via Apple inaction) to exasperate Android users enjoying Android, then Apple would want such. I think the article has Apple essentially saying that didn't it, by the way the Apple guy said "...it's not something our Apple users are asking us for..." ?

 

[mustang7757]

I'd guess that if Apple thinks there could be something they could do (or via Apple inaction) to exasperate Android users enjoying Android, then Apple would want such. I think the article has Apple essentially saying that didn't it, by the way the Apple guy said "...it's not something our Apple users are asking us for..." ?

Best was he said problem solved buy a iPhone lol

 

[J Dubbs]

The thing is we not expecting to download iMessage on Android just want them to allow RCS protocol between both platforms . I mean sms does why can't RCS lol
We don't want their secret codes to iMessage just make it enjoyable for both Android and Apple users , Google trying but Tim Crook want to be a pain in the Butt.

He doesn't need to try, it comes natural for him... I think he was born a pain in the butt lol.

 

[Chuck Finley69]

I use Android/iOS devices pretty interchangeably. My family is exclusive to iOS while clients are both Android/iOS devices.

Other than Facetime, I don't get the reason everyone is upset about iOS features vs Android features such as iMessage vs SMS/MMS if for me it's just about texting. What additional things does iMessage do as in advantages?

 

[spARTacus]

Lately, my family (with their iOS devices) actually thinks FaceTime sucks, as it seems to constantly crap out under some lower network bandwidth and latency situations, and also no ability for the user to throttle down video quality to something more reasonable. They've actually sometimes resorted to having to use FB Messenger Video Calls for between their iPhones, which ironically is actually a pretty interoperable method of video calls for between iOS and Android (not that I like FB any better than Apple).

 

[spARTacus]

...just want them to allow RCS protocol between both platforms . I mean sms does why can't RCS lol...

I'd actually prefer if some government somewhere forced their telecoms/carriers to all get onto some sort of more secure and slightly richer version of sms/mms, for the safety benefit of their citizens. Then, the telecoms/carriers and phone manufacturers could fight it out as to actually updating sms/mms protocols, or adopting something like RCS, or iMessaging, or whatever as a new standard. I don't like the idea of having to consume into one's data plan to do short messaging for any of this. This should be able to work on very thin connections/services (minus 1G) on the core of the carrier's networks and be very efficient, because only having the option of having to use pipes within pipes and big data connections, we have already seen is troublesome and not reliable enough in emergency situations.

 

[mustang7757]

I'd actually prefer if some government somewhere forced their telecoms/carriers to all get onto some sort of more secure and slightly richer version of sms/mms, for the safety benefit of their citizens. Then, the telecoms/carriers and phone manufacturers could fight it out as to actually updating sms/mms protocols, or adopting something like RCS, or iMessaging, or whatever as a new standard. I don't like the idea of having to consume into one's data plan to do short messaging for any of this. This should be able to work on very thin connections/services (minus 1G) on the core of the carrier's networks and be very efficient, because only having the option of having to use pipes within pipes and big data connections, we have already seen is troublesome and not reliable enough in emergency situations.

I give Google credit in some ways for getting iphone reactions going not 100% but they put effort, you think Google wants to help Apple i doubt it but they trying give users a better experience

 

[Chuck Finley69]

I'd actually prefer if some government somewhere forced their telecoms/carriers to all get onto some sort of more secure and slightly richer version of sms/mms, for the safety benefit of their citizens. Then, the telecoms/carriers and phone manufacturers could fight it out as to actually updating sms/mms protocols, or adopting something like RCS, or iMessaging, or whatever as a new standard. I don't like the idea of having to consume into one's data plan to do short messaging for any of this. This should be able to work on very thin connections/services (minus 1G) on the core of the carrier's networks and be very efficient, because only having the option of having to use pipes within pipes and big data connections, we have already seen is troublesome and not reliable enough in emergency situations.

Here's where the argument gets lost on me, what does RCS allow or provide for over SMS/MMS and what does it have to do with public safety?

Additionally, what does any of this have to do with data? As we shutdown 3G and move to 4G/LTE for VoLTE aspect, we have to use more data anyways. This is similar to moving from copper to fiber to make VoIP calls which is now the standard regarding wired internet and phone calls.

I'm confused as to why either iMessage or FaceTime are issues when other competitive venues exist for both. This reminds me of previous IM platforms that didn't go cross platform at their own detriment.

 

[mustang7757]

Here's where the argument gets lost on me, what does RCS allow or provide for over SMS/MMS and what does it have to do with public safety?

Additionally, what does any of this have to do with data? As we shutdown 3G and move to 4G/LTE for VoLTE aspect, we have to use more data anyways. This is similar to moving from copper to fiber to make VoIP calls which is now the standard regarding wired internet and phone calls.

I'm confused as to why either iMessage or FaceTime are issues when other competitive venues exist for both. This reminds me of previous IM platforms that didn't go cross platform at their own detriment.

Rcs works over Wi-Fi and cellular service where sms/mms work only cellular service

 

[Chuck Finley69]

Thank you!!! I have never seen that information/explanation before, anywhere...

I'm really not that dense..... LOL

 

[mustang7757]

Thank you!!! I have never seen that information/explanation before, anywhere...

I'm really not that dense..... LOL

just answering what you asked what does RCS provide over SMS/mms .
I dont know how much someone knows or sometimes can forget.

Your right there are 3rd party apps can solve these issues but iPhone users dont care to download well majority of them from friends and family my experience.

 

[spARTacus]

Rcs works over Wi-Fi and cellular service where sms/mms work only cellular service

I'd go even further in explaining it (if I understand correctly), in that sms/mms interoperability is a core carrier item/function, a layer just beyond no different than how they provide core voice call interoperability, and a layer beyond the provision of a "data connection to the internet". The phone manufactures basically have nothing to do with control over sms/mms, other than needing to implement phone and text apps in their phones that will confirm to what the carriers prescribe for a device to operate on their networks (plus of course the big time lobby pressure leverage that the manufactures have over the carriers, or vice versa). RCS and iMessaging (WhatsApp, FB Messenger, Telegram, Signal,.. pick one's whatever favourite messaging app) however are completely opposite. The carriers are completely out the loop as all those services are simply just using the "data connection to the internet" the carrier is providing, in a crude sense no different than when user's browsers interact with web servers. For sms/mms, the arrangement is between the phone user and their carrier. For all the data connection driven messaging apps, the arrangement is between the phone user and the TermsOFService of the app provider when one signed up for an account.

The safety aspect comes in (in my opinion) as related to the complexity of how sms/mms or data connections are served up. Lots of folks, for example, will still be able to send sms/mms and make voice calls even when there are big data network "internet" outages, or send sms/mms even when they can't make voice calls. That's a good thing. In an emergency situation, we probably don't need to still be able to send grandma a massive video file, but it is almost critical to still be able to reliably exchange short status updates, like confirmation that she's still alive or if her oxygen tank is running low. Well, that's how it's all supposed to work (in my opinion), but as we saw with the big recent Rogers outage so much stuff has been now pilled into "data connections" that when something goes wrong with it, there are now massive ripple impacts to many things.

The other aspects of safety related to sms/mms is security. From what I understand, not much security is involved with sms/mms messages right now. So, some sort of additional mechanism for authentication and then also security of the actual contents of the short messages would be nice. Those aspects of security are already addressed if one is using iMessaging or RCS or Telegram or many other data connection messaging apps. However, the service model for all those data connection messaging apps (including iMessaging and RCS) is wrong (in my opinion) for safety critical communcations, because we shouldn't have to rely on the TermsAndConditions with WhatsApp or FB (or Apple or Google) for example, those companies aren't in that line of business as related to safety criticality services (not sure the Telcoms are either anymore however).

 

[mustang7757]

I'd go even further in explaining it (if I understand correctly), in that sms/mms interoperability is a core carrier item/function, a layer just beyond no different than how they provide core voice call interoperability, and a layer beyond the provision of a "data connection to the internet". The phone manufactures basically have nothing to do with control over sms/mms, other than needing to implement phone and text apps in their phones that will confirm to what the carriers prescribe for a device to operate on their networks (plus of course the big time lobby pressure leverage that the manufactures have over the carriers, or vice versa). RCS and iMessaging (WhatsApp, FB Messenger, Telegram, Signal,.. pick one's whatever favourite messaging app) however are completely opposite. The carriers are completely out the loop as all those services are simply just using the "data connection to the internet" the carrier is providing, in a crude sense no different than when user's browsers interact with web servers. For sms/mms, the arrangement is between the phone user and their carrier. For all the data connection driven messaging apps, the arrangement is between the phone user and the TermsOFService of the app provider when one signed up for an account.

The safety aspect comes in (in my opinion) as related to the complexity of how sms/mms or data connections are served up. Lots of folks, for example, will still be able to send sms/mms and make voice calls even when there are big data network "internet" outages, or send sms/mms even when they can't make voice calls. That's a good thing. In an emergency situation, we probably don't need to still be able to send grandma a massive video file, but it is almost critical to still be able to reliably exchange short status updates, like confirmation that she's still alive or if her oxygen tank is running low. Well, that's how it's all supposed to work (in my opinion), but as we saw with the big recent Rogers outage so much stuff has been now pilled into "data connections" that when something goes wrong with it, there are now massive ripple impacts to many things.

The other aspects of safety related to sms/mms is security. From what I understand, not much security is involved with sms/mms messages right now. So, some sort of additional mechanism for authentication and then also security of the actual contents of the short messages would be nice. Those aspects of security are already addressed if one is using iMessaging or RCS or Telegram or many other data connection messaging apps. However, the service model for all those data connection messaging apps (including iMessaging and RCS) is wrong (in my opinion) for safety critical communcations, because we shouldn't have to rely on the TermsAndConditions with WhatsApp or FB (or Apple or Google) for example, those companies aren't in that line of business as related to safety criticality services (not sure the Telcoms are either anymore however).

Main thing Apple about security, sms/mms is not encrypted so eventually they going have to deal with that and RCS I think is the way

 

[J Dubbs]

Main thing Apple about security, sms/mms is not encrypted so eventually they going have to deal with that and RCS I think is the way

We definitely need a secure way of messaging... standard messaging is basically public information for anyone that wants to look at it. It's not even recommended for 2FA.

 

[mustang7757]

We definitely need a secure way of messaging... standard messaging is basically public information for anyone that wants to look at it. It's not even recommended for 2FA.

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