Bionic's still coming, is defintely new hardware - XT875

The problem is that they're dead-set on Blur. They don't realize that the Droids made them popular because they were stock or close to it. The more Blur they put on the phones, the worse they get. But it seems like Jha himself is leading the Blur push.

The D1 was king of display tech for so long, that helped despite the keyboard. They need to be the best at something, because their phones and UI are not pretty, though I like the industrial look. A plastic motor? No way, samsung does plastic better. Motorola nexus 4G? Would be the only way they claim some market again, as blur and webtop are gross.
 
History will repeat itself eventually. Motorola is doing the same thing that got them into trouble in 06 when their market share plummeted to the single digits. Failure to innovate.

Incremental upgrades to their existing handsets and zero innovation will be their doom. What a shame. One would think they would have learned their lesson.

Oh please. Failure to innovate? Excuse me, but everyone was pretty much wowing and agog at CES at the entirely innovative concept of creating a lapdock for your phone. And while the current result may not be perfect it's still got one helluva potential, much like Android itself when the first Android phone was released on T-Mobile. Innovation means putting it out there and taking a chance and learning how and what to improve. That is story of Android all the way around and the reason its first years saw such a glory of updates.

Moreover, enthusiasts like us who visit sites like this have a tendency repeat old assessments ad nauseum despite changes that have occurred to such things as Blur. It seems every review I'm reading these days about new Blur are generally favorable, unlike the past. Yet, if we constantly just go by past use or reviews of older models, we're limiting ourselves by automatically dismissing something without trying it ourselves.

I see nothing incremental, either about announcing the first phones to run Nvidia's dual core. Or bump RAM to 1 gig.

As for the Xoom, I blame Google for pushing the early release so as to compete with the iPad as soon as possible. Once again, there is nothing wrong with the Xoom that the right updates...LTE/SD card and more apps won't cure.

Okay, I'm done ranting now. I'm just annoyed at seeing the same old crap trotted out time and again when the UIs are ever changing as well as the interfaces with other tech...like HDMI out. Wasn't that a Moto first, too? Sorry, I reverted again to rant. I'm gonna simmer down now. :)
 
Oh please. Failure to innovate? Excuse me, but everyone was pretty much wowing and agog at CES at the entirely innovative concept of creating a lapdock for your phone. And while the current result may not be perfect it's still got one helluva potential, much like Android itself when the first Android phone was released on T-Mobile. Innovation means putting it out there and taking a chance and learning how and what to improve. That is story of Android all the way around and the reason its first years saw such a glory of updates.

Moreover, enthusiasts like us who visit sites like this have a tendency repeat old assessments ad nauseum despite changes that have occurred to such things as Blur. It seems every review I'm reading these days about new Blur are generally favorable, unlike the past. Yet, if we constantly just go by past use or reviews of older models, we're limiting ourselves by automatically dismissing something without trying it ourselves.

I see nothing incremental, either about announcing the first phones to run Nvidia's dual core. Or bump RAM to 1 gig.

As for the Xoom, I blame Google for pushing the early release so as to compete with the iPad as soon as possible. Once again, there is nothing wrong with the Xoom that the right updates...LTE/SD card and more apps won't cure.

Okay, I'm done ranting now. I'm just annoyed at seeing the same old crap trotted out time and again when the UIs are ever changing as well as the interfaces with other tech...like HDMI out. Wasn't that a Moto first, too? Sorry, I reverted again to rant. I'm gonna simmer down now. :)
your point is good.
 
Oh please. Failure to innovate? Excuse me, but everyone was pretty much wowing and agog at CES at the entirely innovative concept of creating a lapdock for your phone. And while the current result may not be perfect it's still got one helluva potential, much like Android itself when the first Android phone was released on T-Mobile. Innovation means putting it out there and taking a chance and learning how and what to improve. That is story of Android all the way around and the reason its first years saw such a glory of updates.

Moreover, enthusiasts like us who visit sites like this have a tendency repeat old assessments ad nauseum despite changes that have occurred to such things as Blur. It seems every review I'm reading these days about new Blur are generally favorable, unlike the past. Yet, if we constantly just go by past use or reviews of older models, we're limiting ourselves by automatically dismissing something without trying it ourselves.

I see nothing incremental, either about announcing the first phones to run Nvidia's dual core. Or bump RAM to 1 gig.

As for the Xoom, I blame Google for pushing the early release so as to compete with the iPad as soon as possible. Once again, there is nothing wrong with the Xoom that the right updates...LTE/SD card and more apps won't cure.

Okay, I'm done ranting now. I'm just annoyed at seeing the same old crap trotted out time and again when the UIs are ever changing as well as the interfaces with other tech...like HDMI out. Wasn't that a Moto first, too? Sorry, I reverted again to rant. I'm gonna simmer down now. :)

^^^yes. This people! Couldn't have said it better myself...unless I said it it Latin :p
 
Oh please. Failure to innovate? Excuse me, but everyone was pretty much wowing and agog at CES at the entirely innovative concept of creating a lapdock for your phone. And while the current result may not be perfect it's still got one helluva potential, much like Android itself when the first Android phone was released on T-Mobile. Innovation means putting it out there and taking a chance and learning how and what to improve. That is story of Android all the way around and the reason its first years saw such a glory of updates.

Moreover, enthusiasts like us who visit sites like this have a tendency repeat old assessments ad nauseum despite changes that have occurred to such things as Blur. It seems every review I'm reading these days about new Blur are generally favorable, unlike the past. Yet, if we constantly just go by past use or reviews of older models, we're limiting ourselves by automatically dismissing something without trying it ourselves.

I see nothing incremental, either about announcing the first phones to run Nvidia's dual core. Or bump RAM to 1 gig.

As for the Xoom, I blame Google for pushing the early release so as to compete with the iPad as soon as possible. Once again, there is nothing wrong with the Xoom that the right updates...LTE/SD card and more apps won't cure.

Okay, I'm done ranting now. I'm just annoyed at seeing the same old crap trotted out time and again when the UIs are ever changing as well as the interfaces with other tech...like HDMI out. Wasn't that a Moto first, too? Sorry, I reverted again to rant. I'm gonna simmer down now. :)
Innovation is what HTC, Samsung and LG are doing. Motorola has been at a stand still since the OG Droid was released. Samsung Galaxy to SGII, huge improvement. HTC EVO to EVO 3D, no need to mention the improvements there. HTC Sensation, LG B, G2X, Infuse, all remarkable devices with something new to offer. Motorola has done NOTHING accept RENOVATE. D2, D3, DX2. In regards to announcing the Tegra 2 first. So what, there are Dual Core's floating around all over the place. HDMI? I can buy any number of handsets with it.

Atrix was the biggest curve ball they threw this year. Now what do they have? The Photon and Bionic. Which are essentially all the same thing...the Atrix with a different processor and bigger screen (not a NEW screen but the SAME screen). Oh wait they all look a little different though. Weak sauce.

Before you get upset with me I am a huge fan of Motorola. I'm a fan that wants them to show up and play ball but I'm getting tired of watching them slog through the season every year.

Now stand back.........RAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!

sorry needed to vent :)
 
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Innovation is what HTC, Samsung and LG are doing. Motorola has been at a stand still since the OG Droid was released. Samsung Galaxy to SGII, huge improvement. HTC EVO to EVO 3D, no need to mention the improvements there. HTC Sensation, LG B, G2X, Infuse, all remarkable devices with something new to offer. Motorola has done NOTHING accept RENOVATE. D2, D3, DX2. In regards to announcing the Tegra 2 first. So what, there are Dual Core's floating around all over the place. HDMI? I can buy any number of handsets with it.

Atrix was the biggest curve ball they threw this year. Now what do they have? The Photon and Bionic. Which are essentially all the same thing...the Atrix with a different processor and bigger screen (not a NEW screen but the SAME screen). Oh wait they all look a little different though. Weak sauce.

Before you get upset with me I am a huge fan of Motorola. I'm a fan that wants them to show up and play ball but I'm getting tired of watching them slog through the season every year.

Now stand back.........RAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!

sorry needed to vent :)
CK i dont think you fully understand the word innovate.

WHat HTC, Samsung, and LG are doing is not innovative.

They are evolving the phones, but they are not innovating. Touchwiz 4.0 is an evolution, sense 3.0 is an evolution. Adding more, ram, adding more, proc speed, adding more cores, adding more mega pixels, are all evolution.

But they are not trying anything different. And thats what innovation is. Moto like or not, is innovating. Webtop is a miss, but its putting the Smartphone in a different direction. Again they went with a different approach with the Droid Pro, didnt take off too well but no one else in the android scene has done it.
Asus, aagin like it or not is innovative. With the keyboard dock on their transformer. ANd the new padphone.
 
Innovation is what HTC, Samsung and LG are doing. Motorola has been at a stand still since the OG Droid was released. Samsung Galaxy to SGII, huge improvement. HTC EVO to EVO 3D, no need to mention the improvements there. HTC Sensation, LG B, G2X, Infuse, all remarkable devices with something new to offer. Motorola has done NOTHING accept RENOVATE. D2, D3, DX2. In regards to announcing the Tegra 2 first. So what, there are Dual Core's floating around all over the place. HDMI? I can buy any number of handsets with it.
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Atrix was the biggest curve ball they threw this year. Now what do they have? The Photon and Bionic. Which are essentially all the same thing...the Atrix with a different processor and bigger screen (not a NEW screen but the SAME screen). Oh wait they all look a little different though. Weak sauce.

Before you get upset with me I am a huge fan of Motorola. I'm a fan that wants them to show up and play ball but I'm getting tired of watching them slog through the season every year.

Now stand back.........RAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!

sorry needed to vent :)
one thing is for sure, CK knows what innovation is, something new, that's it. If a phone comes out and is the first with a gig of DDR3 ram, innovative in your face (to those trying to school CK) Raw!
 
Oxn I understand the word. We can use the word evolve as well. I'm pointing out that Moto hasn't really brought in anything new or innovative since the Atrix. I don't particularly care for HTC but they continue to innovate/bring in something new. Samsung the same thing. LG etc etc...

The point I'm trying to make is they need to bring in something new and fresh (innovate or evolve). Not rehash "old" equipment.

Don't make me roar anymore I'm scaring my dog.
 
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one thing is for sure, CK knows what innovation is, something new, that's it. If a phone comes out and is the first with a gig of DDR3 ram, innovative in your face (to those trying to school CK) Raw!

oh snap lol! Johnly are you sure we are not the same person using different accounts :O
 
Oxn I understand the word. We can use the word evolve as well. I'm pointing out that Moto hasn't really brought in anything new or innovative since the Atrix. I don't particularly care for HTC but they continue to innovate/bring in something new. Samsung the same thing. LG etc etc...

The point I'm trying to make is they need to bring in something new and fresh (innovate or evolve). Not rehash "old" equipment.

Don't make me roar anymore I'm scaring my dog.

Sorry, I am missing out on what new things HTC is bringing that makes it significantly different than what Motorola is doing??
 
Oxn I understand the word. We can use the word evolve as well. I'm pointing out that Moto hasn't really brought in anything new or innovative since the Atrix. I don't particularly care for HTC but they continue to innovate/bring in something new. Samsung the same thing. LG etc etc...

The point I'm trying to make is they need to bring in something new and fresh (innovate or evolve). Not rehash "old" equipment.

Don't make me roar anymore I'm scaring my dog.

I dont really get what for example Sensation bring to the table that Bionic wont be bringing?

both dual core, both 1 gig ram? both 8mp camera (actually based on droid 3 im hearing Bionic will have an excellent cam)

the noticeable differences being the screen, but that is all preference. SO i dont really understand. Bionic may be a couple of months behind yes.
 
I dont really get what for example Sensation bring to the table that Bionic wont be bringing?

both dual core, both 1 gig ram? both 8mp camera (actually based on droid 3 im hearing Bionic will have an excellent cam)

the noticeable differences being the screen, but that is all preference. SO i dont really understand. Bionic may be a couple of months behind yes.

According to HTCs web page on the sensation its still 768Mb of RAM in the sensation.

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http://www.htc.com/www/product/sensation/specification.html
 
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Truth be told, none of these companies is truly innovating right now.
Faster CPUs w/ More cores
Faster and more RAM
Higher Res/bigger displays
Different display technology
Better camera sensors
Revised/improved GUIs
Modified form factors
These are all evolutionary and not revolutionary steps and certainly not innovation.

The only truly innovative thing done this year on an Android phone has been WebTop. You can hate it all you want, but can't deny it's innovative.
 
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Truth be told, none of these companies is truly innovating right now.
Faster CPUs w/ More cores
Faster and more RAM
Higher Res/bigger displays
Different display technology
Better camera sensors
Revised/improved GUIs
Modified form factors
These are all evolutionary and not revolutionary steps and certainly not innovation.

The only truly innovative thing done this year on an Android phone has been WebTop. You can hate it all you want, but can't deny it's innovative.

EXACTLYYYYY

they really dont understand the definition.

Adding more power and what not is not innovation. Its like saying Intel is innovative because they made a 1ghz pentium 3, after releasing 800mhz pentium 3.

Thats not how it works.
 
And i guess when Bionic was still on track for a Q2 release, and the Thunderbolt had just released then i guess at that point Motorola was more innovative?

And that was only 2 months back.

Are we going to flipflop back and forth everytime a company 1up another with a slightly flaster proc that you will never notice in real life? And say hey that company is more innovative for this month?
 
Moto really needs to get on the ball. I mean LG is innovative with their thingamajig, HTC was incredibly innovative with their whatsitwhosit and Samsung was just ridiculously innovative with their doo-dad. And moto's been sitting on their rear ends not having brought anything new in 4 months. FOUR WHOLE MONTHS!!!! Please get with it Moto
(where's the sarcasm smiley when I need it?)
 
Innovation is what HTC, Samsung and LG are doing. Motorola has been at a stand still since the OG Droid was released. Samsung Galaxy to SGII, huge improvement. HTC EVO to EVO 3D, no need to mention the improvements there. HTC Sensation, LG B, G2X, Infuse, all remarkable devices with something new to offer. Motorola has done NOTHING accept RENOVATE. D2, D3, DX2. In regards to announcing the Tegra 2 first. So what, there are Dual Core's floating around all over the place. HDMI? I can buy any number of handsets with it.

Atrix was the biggest curve ball they threw this year. Now what do they have? The Photon and Bionic. Which are essentially all the same thing...the Atrix with a different processor and bigger screen (not a NEW screen but the SAME screen). Oh wait they all look a little different though. Weak sauce.

Before you get upset with me I am a huge fan of Motorola. I'm a fan that wants them to show up and play ball but I'm getting tired of watching them slog through the season every year.

Now stand back.........RAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!

sorry needed to vent :)

Notice what I bolded above. Improvement is NOT innovation! Who brought the first BIG-assed screen that everyone kinda freaked over because it was probably too big to market? Moto with the Droid X and it sold phenomenally well. Who tried out countless form factors like the Cliq, the Flip, the Back Flip, and the Xpert or Pro and various price ranges designed to appeal to different audiences? Who creates Androids for the push-to-talk crowd like construction workers? Moto. They did not slog through last year and certainly not this, but while they've hit a bump in the road this year they ARE NOT FAILING TO INNOVATE! In addition to the above they do what others do as well and improve popular devices and form factors. What the hell is wrong with that?

Now whose phones all look almost exactly the same...HTC and Samsung. Improved hardware, yes, and but never first to launch with it. (Yeah, I'm ignoring 3D for the time being, seems gimmicky, but it is an attempt) Oh, yes Samsung's got the Super AMOLED. I'll give them that flash they denied their competitors. That was their innvoation. Chalk 1 up each for Samsung and HTC. That's it.

Mutha F-ing R-O-O-O-A-A-A-A-A-R-R-R!!!!, not no weasely bs Rawr. phblst :mad::pO:-)O:-)
 
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