DROID BIONIC Jelly Bean Update

[zachthebomb13]

But Sam, this would be even more reason for Google to make sure Motorola is "competive" it seems to be a cold war forming. Google fears Samsung gets too big and wants more money, buys moto to level the playing field. Samsung fears the acquisition as a threat to the open competition amongst oems, and leverages a new operating system against them. It's like the US and Russia fighting over the partition of Germany. What they both don't realize was how important the other was in winning the war. Let's be honest, Android wouldn't be anywhere near where it is without the success of the galaxy lines. I mean they are single handily nearly matching iPhone sales at this point.

That's why I don't buy that Google is taking a hands off approach to Motorola. Yes the patents were important, but let's play out your scenario of Google letting moto go belly up. Imagine the leverage Samsung would have at that point? They could do whatever they want.

Fortunately I was able to interpret these feelings correctly: loss of essence.

I don't disagree with this. I just think they are trying to build up Moto slowly, or initially wanted to do it slowly so as to not cause a cold war, as you called it. But, Samsung has read into it pretty quickly and well, and are already starting to prepare as well. Samsung started up with Tizen in 2011, Google bought Moto in 2012. So they both have been making preparations. If Samsung jumped ship and was remotely successful, I don't think it'll hurt Android too badly. I think the other OEM's will step forward to fill the gap. HTC has the hardware, just struggling on the marketing part. LG seems to be in the mix since the release of the N4. Moto will hopefully rebound with Google's guidance. As long as they can keep those three big players, they'll be good. I don't see LG or HTC joining Samsung in the Tizen wars, as long as Google can prove to them that they aren't giving Moto an advantage, they shouldn't get too upset.

2011 saw the start of Tizen.
2012 saw the purchase of Moto.
2013 will definitely be an interesting year.

 

[HowardL168]

No, different than ICS. And the difference is the new generation of phones really is twice as powerful and useful as the Bionic. Back when ICS was rolling, the RAZR HD, M, and S III were top dogs. They were still dual core, 1 gig phones with debatablely nicer screens. Now we're into full HD screens with 2 gigs and quad core processors. All capable of utilizing KLP to the fullest. Contrast that to an EOL, red-headed step child of a phone that, quite frankly, has been an AWESOME phone, but, is definitely past its prime.

Understood, SamuriHL. "My" sitch is that, while I'm an IT person who certainly would like to have the latest-and-greatest, I'm married to a "non"-IT person who I only recently managed to convince to upgrade her phone to a "touch screen" and doesn't understand the need (to spend $) for a new phone "all the time" (i.e. even 2 yrs)! :-(

So, I'm hoping that we get JB which will give me an extension of "some" new features and capabilities, albeit not the "awesome" stuff that will come with KLP devices.

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[SamuriHL]

I think it's a pretty sure bet that we'll see JB....at some point.

 

[bhemi73]

I think it's a pretty sure bet that we'll see JB....at some point.

I'm just hoping that your "at some point" is before my trip in June!

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[SamuriHL]

I'm just hoping that your "at some point" is before my trip in June!

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I promise nothing.

 

[AllPurposeRadio]

As for Google going hands on....that would be considered the nuclear option in Samsung's eyes. If they see preferential treatment...if they so much as PERCEIVE it, they'll pull way back on Android and look for an exit strategy. And they ARE serious about that. This is why Google is treading lightly. It's not about reality here. It's all perception and what each company perceives the other to be doing and what their long term strategy is. They really need to get over it and play nice.

I know Samsung moves a ton devices right now and for lack of a better term is right now the "face of Android" from a hardware perspective but at what point does Google worry that Samsung is cannibalizing the rest of the Android device market.

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[SamuriHL]

I know Samsung moves a ton devices right now and for lack of a better term is right now the "face of Android" from a hardware perspective but at what point does Google worry that Samsung is cannibalizing the rest of the Android device market.

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Now would be the time. They are very concerned.

 

[HowardL168]

And, from my observation traveling to Asia...particularly several times to Hong Kong and mainland China, seeing Samsung as "huge" over there...e.g. what we see here in the U.S. with Apple Stores, Samsung has a similar model (but more so) with Samsung stores (within stores as malls are configured over there)...Google should definitely worry and "kiss up" to a growing giant in a growing market!

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[AllPurposeRadio]

Now would be the time. They are very concerned.

So if you had to wager a guess what is the end game? Google just going ahead with it's own plans and letting the chips fall where they may with Sammy? And if that happens how does Samsung respond? An Android fork...completely abandoning Android? BlackBerry is going under...it's not a question of if but when. Would Samsung buy BlackBerry and then just use that to generate it's own proprietary OS? Sorry the business end of Tech is almost as interesting to me as the tech itself

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[SamuriHL]

Re-read all the posts from earlier and you'll get a sense for how this is going. Google will try to protect against a Samsung defection to Tizen. Samsung will play with Tizen to protect against a threat from Google. I honestly don't know what the end game is. Google can only keep improving Android to keep people interested in it. Samsung is making tons of money selling Android handsets. They aren't going to give that up, no matter WHAT they claim, without a viable alternative. Tizen ain't it with 1000 apps...so far. This is Samsung dipping a toe in the water, looking Google straight in the eye, and saying "your move". So, I don't really know what's next. Moto can't make up for a Samsung exit. And Tizen can't make up for exiting Android. I call stalemate...for now. Both are going to work to remove the stalemate going forward.

 

[zachthebomb13]

Re-read all the posts from earlier and you'll get a sense for how this is going. Google will try to protect against a Samsung defection to Tizen. Samsung will play with Tizen to protect against a threat from Google. I honestly don't know what the end game is. Google can only keep improving Android to keep people interested in it. Samsung is making tons of money selling Android handsets. They aren't going to give that up, no matter WHAT they claim, without a viable alternative. Tizen ain't it with 1000 apps...so far. This is Samsung dipping a toe in the water, looking Google straight in the eye, and saying "your move". So, I don't really know what's next. Moto can't make up for a Samsung exit. And Tizen can't make up for exiting Android. I call stalemate...for now. Both are going to work to remove the stalemate going forward.

The coolest part about this is we as the consumer will win. Companies will push the limits, make their best products, and continue to compete and improve. I just hope moto doesn't go away.

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[Yaish]

I went to chrome but then it started taking forever to load pages. Chrome beta fixed some problems but created others.
I'm actually using Firefox right now.

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[SamuriHL]

The coolest part about this is we as the consumer will win. Companies will push the limits, make their best products, and continue to compete and improve. I just hope moto doesn't go away.

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We'll see. Consumers don't usually win in situations like this but stranger things have happened.

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[zachthebomb13]

We'll see. Consumers don't usually win in situations like this but stranger things have happened.

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Fair enough. We'll win if they compete on innovation, lose if they compete with bickering, back stabbing, and in fighting. We can just hope for the former.

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[mgenthner25]

In my mind, it is the intersection of Android as OS and Google as an information company that makes the Android phone what it is. Being able to create an event in my calendar that links Google map info and w/ a tap get navigation instructions to that event or, say, being able to pull into an unfamiliar town, tap "places" and get a list of nearby eateries, is still mind boggling to me.

Google is indispensable at this point and as Apple found out, it is not easy to make an end run around their network. Tizen may give Samsung some leverage but it is hard for me to imagine anyone being able to walk away from Google's ecosystem anytime in the near future.

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[vegeta]

Can someone please explain to me how Samsung can be stupid enough create problems with Google? It appears to me that the two of them have a golden union together. Why "eff" it up. It would have been like 10 years ago for Dell to say were switching to Linux. It just doesn't make any sense.

Fortunately I was able to interpret these feelings correctly: loss of essence.

It has been discussed before I can't remember where but Samsung has been working on their own phone OS to replace Android, just like if you walk into a Verizon Corp Store now, there is more iPhone and Windows Mobile 8 phones than Android.

 

[beef5stew]

It has been discussed before I can't remember where but Samsung has been working on their own phone OS to replace Android, just like if you walk into a Verizon Corp Store now, there is more iPhone and Windows Mobile 8 phones than Android.

That doesn't ring true in my local Verizon store. Android is the still the dominant handset by far.

 

[moonlightinwhite]

In my mind, it is the intersection of Android as OS and Google as an information company that makes the Android phone what it is. Being able to create an event in my calendar that links Google map info and w/ a tap get navigation instructions to that event or, say, being able to pull into an unfamiliar town, tap "places" and get a list of nearby eateries, is still mind boggling to me.

Google is indispensable at this point and as Apple found out, it is not easy to make an end run around their network. Tizen may give Samsung some leverage but it is hard for me to imagine anyone being able to walk away from Google's ecosystem anytime in the near future.

This. Tizen would have to offer some HUGE advantages for me to voluntarily lose the ecosystem that Google has built up around Android phones. I don't mind handing off some of my information to Google as payment for a suite of apps that do what I want, how I want, on an OS that brings them all together fairly seamlessly. Apple was the first big player to successfully develop a comprehensive ecosystem and has done a good job of collecting a following, but they're not as expansive as Google (at least, not in the things that I care about) and it costs far more to be a part of the Apple club.

 

[jimlc]

I understand that everyone here finds the idea of switching from Android to be beyond comprehension, however, Samsung and Google realize there are many out there that look at the phone first and may not even know if a phone is Android or Tizen. Samsung is banking on this, Google doesn't want to find out! (Hardware first and OS second) Hence the cold war standoff, mutually assured distruction.

 

[AllPurposeRadio]

I understand that everyone here finds the idea of switching from Android to be beyond comprehension, however, Samsung and Google realize there are many out there that look at the phone first and may not even know if a phone is Android or Tizen. Samsung is banking on this, Google doesn't want to find out! (Hardware first and OS second) Hence the cold war standoff, mutually assured distruction.

Screw'em both.....Z10s for everybody...Thorsten commands you!

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