EVO lover who likes Apple?

[EeZeEpEe]

No, I meant iOS, since we're talking about the iPad.

Ah. Okay I miss that part. Then yes you are correct until the iPad gets iOS4.

 

[Kevin OQuinn]

I've only tried it when first released and it wasn't all that impressive from what I remember. Going to revisit now though.



Such as...?

The newest version of Zune is better than the older version (obviously, but seeing as how I never used version 1.0 I can't say I know from personal experience.) I know Itunes has Genius, but I don't think it does as much as smart dj. I can do a smart dj and if I'm connected to wifi it will stream music over wifi as well as use what I have in my collection for the smart dj playlist. The other big thing is the amount of information available in the software. You can get related artists (with the option to download of course), artist bio, info on the current album your playing, tour dates, and more. The other big thing (or not so big for me really) is the social integration. The more plays you have the better it gets, but basically it'll take what you're listening to and compare it to what other people are listening to and make suggestions based on those users. So if you seem to have similar listening tastes it'll suggests bands that you may not have heard of because other people that listen to your favorite band also listen to the one you listen to. I tried to explain it as simple as possible, but it's hard to here. lol

edit: you can also look at what specific users are listening to. so if i'm listening to a band I can see what other users are listening to that also listen to that band. it's a really cool feature that i use a lot to discover new music.

 

[RayStinkle]

So say, 3% market share. Out of that 3% they get a 5% infection rate. Out of those infected people, they believe Apple that they do not need any antivirus programs so they never know they got infected to start with. A few of them figure it out and report it to Apple. So Apple get says 100 reports and claims user error. The virus writer wants news reports about his or her virus. They can get that by infecting PC's at a 5% success rate. (which is actually rather high for a any virus)

News flash, Apple does do security updates. Apple added anti-virus software to OSX. If there were no viruses, then why add the protection? McAfee, Norton, and several others make protection software for Apple computers as well.

Apple does have an issue with Trojans. The largest security hole in any computer, OSX, Windows, Linux, BeOS, etc, is the person at the keyboard. No, you do not need to install that new Codex to play that adult video. That screen saver or game is not really free.

Think of it my sick and twisted way. If we had one grenade and wanted to kill as many people as possible, do we throw it at a crowd of 1000 people, or at a group of 10 people? That is how the virus writer thinks. I know, I USED to be one. Just annoyance things that went away on their own. I was never malicious.

I'm saying a virus writer would have done it by now not because of any market share numbers, or to maximize affected users, but simply to prove to the world it was done, they were the first, glory and fame or to spite Steve jobs. Something!

There'd have to be people's posts out on the web if it happened to even a small number of people, wouldn't it?

 

[Caitlyn McKenzie]

I'm saying a virus writer would have done it by now not because of any market share numbers, or to maximize affected users, but simply to prove to the world it was done, they were the first, glory and fame or to spite Steve jobs. Something!

There'd have to be people's posts out on the web if it happened to even a small number of people, wouldn't it?

Have you even read the thread? There are posts and there are viruses/trojans.

 

[pwnst_r]

I'm saying a virus writer would have done it by now not because of any market share numbers, or to maximize affected users, but simply to prove to the world it was done, they were the first, glory and fame or to spite Steve jobs. Something!

There'd have to be people's posts out on the web if it happened to even a small number of people, wouldn't it?

=( <--

 

[RayStinkle]

Have you even read the thread? There are posts and there are viruses/trojans.

yeah i read the full thread. what i meant though is that some hacker would have made a major virus that gets known to general mainstream to prove it could be done. sounds like the trojans were small time stuff.

 

[GadgetGator]

Ah. Okay I miss that part. Then yes you are correct until the iPad gets iOS4.

Huh? There are accessibility options now on the iPad. What accessibility options are you referring to as not being available until iOS4??

 

[Seven2k]

I used ot work for apple and thats all i use at home and work. Well PCs also since i fix them.

 

[Seven2k]

Sorry dude but here's the specs of both my laptop and the lowest level MacBook:

My Gateway: $499
MacBook $999

Gateway: 2.0ghz
MacBook: 2.4

Gateway: 4GB supports up to 8GB
MacBook: 2GB supports up to 4GB

Gateway: 500GB hard drive
MacBook: 250GB

Gateway: ATI Radeon 512MB DDR2
MacBook: NVIDIA 256MB DDR3

Gateway: 15.6 16:9 LED HD Screen
MacBook: 13.3 LED

Gateway: HDMI port
MacBook: HDMI port

Gateway: Multicard reader
MacBook: No multicard reader

Gateway: Multi touch pad
MacBook: Multi touch pad

Gateway: Webcam
MacBook: Webcam

Gateway: 4 USB
MacBook: 2 USB

I'm just gonna stop there. Now at the end of the day there is a HUGE difference between the OS's. I actually reallly like the Mac OS a LOOT. But I'm also very happy with Windows 7. I just can't see myself spending $1000 on a laptop when a near $500 has either similar or better specs in a lot of departments. $500 is a LOT of money man. For $1000 just about any other laptop would really take out the MacBook in terms of specs. The only real advantage to the MacBook is it's light as all hell and the battery is REALLY good being rated at 10 hours. The last thing to play in is the OS. And that's 100% personal preference. But again, personally I just couldn't see myself spending double what I paid for my laptop when the specs on my laptop is either as good or better in many aspects. BUT to each their own!! lol

I still would get the macbook. I can dual boot in both OS and also Mac OS X makes up for the less specs. In 3 years im pretty confident that the macbook will be running the same it did when first bought. I have seen PowerPC G4 kill PC laptops with newer processors.

 

[GadgetGator]

Because it's amusing to me when people buy stuff only because it's made by Apple.

Oh agreed. No one should buy something just because it is branded a certain way. They should buy something that works for them. Conversely, it's amusing to me when people hate something just because it is made by Apple or doesn't meet THEIR specific needs.

Apologies that I missed your silly post halfway through the thread. Here's a simple response:

Yes, she should try to figure out a laptop. Not only would the screen be bigger, but most old folks have experience with Windows more than they do iOS. In addition, there are custom linux systems designed for usability which make even iOS look complicated.

Oh I''m so sorry that you found the experiences of a nearly blind women "silly". Oh wait....I'm not. What is silly though is for you to think that Windows would work for this women who had never used a computer before. "most old folks have experience with Windows"? Not this women. And not a whole heck of a lot just like her. Once again you are being myopic and seeing things only through your narrow, limited point of view.

iOS doesn't even have accessibility options, which most older people need.

Oh really? Then what's THIS:

Apple - iPad - Accessibility features help everyone enjoy iPad.

 

[Jerry Hildenbrand]

Loving the commentary here. Just a reminder to keep it friendly

 

[Caitlyn McKenzie]

Oh agreed. No one should buy something just because it is branded a certain way. They should buy something that works for them. Conversely, it's amusing to me when people hate something just because it is made by Apple or doesn't meet THEIR specific needs.

I think you're being purposely obtuse. I have and enjoy a macbook. And I am far from being the only one who can't see a point in a device that is nothing more than a huge ipod touch.

Oh I''m so sorry that you found the experiences of a nearly blind women "silly". Oh wait....I'm not. What is silly though is for you to think that Windows would work for this women who had never used a computer before. "most old folks have experience with Windows"? Not this women. And not a whole heck of a lot just like her. Once again you are being myopic and seeing things only through your narrow, limited point of view.

I'm bring narrow minded? You're applying your experience with one person to an entire generation of people. How many usability classes and volunteer groups have you done with the older generation?

Oh really? Then what's THIS:

Apple - iPad - Accessibility features help everyone enjoy iPad.

A cute hack job. Zoom is not a replacement for proper ui scaling. And I'm sure you're aware of the number of options available on a real computer.

 

[EeZeEpEe]

Huh? There are accessibility options now on the iPad. What accessibility options are you referring to as not being available until iOS4??

No I was mistaken. I forgot it already has accessibility options.

 

[Edge767]

I have two Macbooks, numerous iPods, and my daughter just got an iPad. I love their industrial design but I do find their business practices abhorrent and their corporate culture to be arrogant. That doesn't mean I won't use their products where it fits into my lifestyle, but I surely don't purchase their (or any) product based on their marketing pushes or brand alone. I am, however, a brand loyalist based on my experiences with said brand. Cases in point: We own three VW's, I shoot Nikon cameras, and I prefer my netbooks to be Asus, my M1911's Springfield or Colt, and my ebooks from Amazon. All of these preferences are based on good experiences, not on any of these brands' PR firms' efforts.

 

[GadgetGator]

I think you're being purposely obtuse. I have and enjoy a macbook. And I am far from being the only one who can't see a point in a device that is nothing more than a huge ipod touch.

Obtuse? No. It's a recurring theme throughout your postings that you don't like the iPad because it doesn't meet your needs. Fine. But it does meet other peoples needs. Strangely that is not good enough for you and you think everyone should abandon it and use other things instead. That's illogical hate for a product. And again, kind of amusing.

I'm bring narrow minded? You're applying your experience with one person to an entire generation of people. How many usability classes and volunteer groups have you done with the older generation?

Yes, you are. When you take your hatred for a product and tell someone else they shouldn't use it either, even though they see value in the thing you don't, that's being narrow minded. I have done some stuff with older people with my mom and the retirement community she lives in. As for an entire generation of people, no. But there are a great many people whom a computer intimidates or confuses them. I've seen it first hand. Touchscreen devices seem to be bridging that gap a little. That's a good thing. Not something to condemn simply because YOU don't want to use one.

A cute hack job. Zoom is not a replacement for proper ui scaling. And I'm sure you're aware of the number of options available on a real computer.

So we've gone from "iOS doesn't even have accessibility options" and backpedaled to "a cute hack job" when you've been proven wrong huh? Interesting. LOL

 

[Nickles0n]

I think apple sells high quality products, but they don't let me do what I want. I also don't like how everyone who buys apple is obsessed with their products. Whenever I talk to an apple follower they always ask me how I can stay on a PC because it's "so hard to use". I mean no offence but apple is very appealing to people who frankly don't know much about a computer box.

 

[dtrix]

I love my Evo and I love my MacBook Pro, but I would never get an Iphone, Ipod. For my company I wont use anything less than an Apple laptop. I tell my friends all the time Apple laptops is like a BMW PC is like driving a Kea you just dont know when is going to stop working. Iphone is over rated period and the Ipad I can give you 10 reason why not to buy it, buy you can good 15 reasons why not to buy Ipad. Evo over Iphone any day

 

[Kevin OQuinn]

Apple the new world leader in software insecurity

Apple is NOT more secure than Microsoft. Yes I know this includes third party software, but like we already discussed vulnerability is vulnerability. It also includes other software made by the companies, like itunes, wmp, etc.

 

[Caitlyn McKenzie]

Obtuse? No. It's a recurring theme throughout your postings that you don't like the iPad because it doesn't meet your needs. Fine. But it does meet other peoples needs. Strangely that is not good enough for you and you think everyone should abandon it and use other things instead. That's illogical hate for a product. And again, kind of amusing.

It's not illogical, you're just ignoring the uselessness of the device. You claim it meets needs, but it doesn't. Even your own examples can be trumped by better products, as already explained. I think it's unhealthy to encourage people to adopt a device that is truly a waste of money for any kind of user.

Yes, you are. When you take your hatred for a product and tell someone else they shouldn't use it either, even though they see value in the thing you don't, that's being narrow minded. I have done some stuff with older people with my mom and the retirement community she lives in. As for an entire generation of people, no. But there are a great many people whom a computer intimidates or confuses them. I've seen it first hand. Touchscreen devices seem to be bridging that gap a little. That's a good thing. Not something to condemn simply because YOU don't want to use one.

Then get them a device that better supports their needs. It's amusing that you use the "great many people" when you don't even understand the demographic. Long story short, if an iPad is your solution to your problem, you need to go back and really look at the problem again.

So we've gone from "iOS doesn't even have accessibility options" and backpedaled to "a cute hack job" when you've been proven wrong huh? Interesting. LOL

Because anyone with classes in usability knows that's not how you deal with issues. You're introducing more difficult UI experiences to people who already have trouble navigating. Don't get so ruffled just because your so-thought winning argument was irrelevant.

 

[GadgetGator]

It's not illogical, you're just ignoring the uselessness of the device. You claim it meets needs, but it doesn't.

Wow. How nice for you to speak for others. It obviously meets the needs of millions of people since that's how many they have sold and continue to sell as fast as they can make them. It meets my needs too sunshine.

Then get them a device that better supports their needs.

Who are you to decide what other people's needs are? If they are happy and it works out for them then their needs have been met. You seem to want to throw everyone into the same square box....yours. And that just isn't reality. Not only for the iPad, but for any product. One size does NOT fit all.

You're introducing more difficult UI experiences to people who already have trouble navigating. Don't get so ruffled just because your so-thought winning argument was irrelevant.

More difficult UI? Yeah...it's really hard touching something. Thank you for making my point on your illogical hatred for something. Between that and your already proven wrong statement RE: accessibility options, you're just making stuff up now.