Froyo not till 2011?!
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Well, as we've learned, you can't trust anything outta Sammy's mouth. It's funny that they would lie so blatantly, though.
I was under the impression that Samsung had already released 2.2 for the Epic and it was Sprint that is the holdup.
That could be why Samsung's website lists the Epic as having Froyo while Sprint's website does not. Or it could just be a mistake 
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I just wish Sammy and Sprint would come forward and make a new statement concerning the holdup on the release of Froyo. You have sold millions of devices I think both companies could at least issue a statement saying what the current state is on the update. It would at least offer some insight as to what is going on. I just hate seeing what is a great device no matter what version/carrier we are talking about, taking so much heat because they simply won't speak up to those who have supported them by purchasing their product.
I guess the view of the consumer is much different from that of the manufacters/carrier provider.
I guess the view of the consumer is much different from that of the manufacters/carrier provider.
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I don't believe I'm entitled to anything I haven't contracted for, and so I don't believe I'm entitled to a Froyo update on my Epic in 2010. However, I remain very, very surprised that companies choose not to communicate better than they do.
One theory is that if they say anything, it will be held against them. Okay, but: what they're not saying is equally being held against them (if not even more so). Therefore, it would seem that any kind of message would be seen as the more attractive option than this kind of silence.
And it's certainly not just Sprint and Samsung. It's everyone. Maybe it's simply that no statement at all is better in a courtroom in today's litigious society.
One theory is that if they say anything, it will be held against them. Okay, but: what they're not saying is equally being held against them (if not even more so). Therefore, it would seem that any kind of message would be seen as the more attractive option than this kind of silence.
And it's certainly not just Sprint and Samsung. It's everyone. Maybe it's simply that no statement at all is better in a courtroom in today's litigious society.
You guys have to also remember that we are a minority. Most people who actually own an Android powered phone still call them "Droids" instead of what the actual device is. Sprint and Samsung know this, and from a business perspective that is a good thing; we on the other hand get screwed.
It's times like these that I actually miss my Pre. Yes it was beta, under-developed, had weak hardware, etc., but at least Palm acknowledged their customers and the people who made the Pre what it was (despite lack of sales, it is still considered the best mobile OS by a long shot). Google could care less because they're still making money from us using the operating system and the fragmentation of he OS (it's actually a genious but evil business practice strategy), while Sprint is mostly concerned with the precious "first 4G, big screen" EVO. Heck, when I first bought my Epic I had to help a Sprint rep explain why the Epic is better hardware wise than the Evo by simply demoing Asphalt 5 on the Epic vs the Evo to an inquirng customer and explain in detail why that was so (just wanted to make the Sprint rep look bad haha).
Point I'm trying to make is that we, the "forum people" are a minority (although slowly changing) amongst the total population of those who have purchased an Android device, ESPECIALLY the Epic with its fewer commercial airings. Until that changes, our voices about updates mean nothing more than our monthly subscrptions.
It is for these reasons that I'm actually considering an iPhone (and I hate Apple with a PASSION, along with AT&T) or switiching to the next Palm device (if they get their crap together, which I know will not happen until probably a year from now). The only thing gluing me to Android for now is freedom and growing app market and developer interests.
It's times like these that I actually miss my Pre. Yes it was beta, under-developed, had weak hardware, etc., but at least Palm acknowledged their customers and the people who made the Pre what it was (despite lack of sales, it is still considered the best mobile OS by a long shot). Google could care less because they're still making money from us using the operating system and the fragmentation of he OS (it's actually a genious but evil business practice strategy), while Sprint is mostly concerned with the precious "first 4G, big screen" EVO. Heck, when I first bought my Epic I had to help a Sprint rep explain why the Epic is better hardware wise than the Evo by simply demoing Asphalt 5 on the Epic vs the Evo to an inquirng customer and explain in detail why that was so (just wanted to make the Sprint rep look bad haha).
Point I'm trying to make is that we, the "forum people" are a minority (although slowly changing) amongst the total population of those who have purchased an Android device, ESPECIALLY the Epic with its fewer commercial airings. Until that changes, our voices about updates mean nothing more than our monthly subscrptions.
It is for these reasons that I'm actually considering an iPhone (and I hate Apple with a PASSION, along with AT&T) or switiching to the next Palm device (if they get their crap together, which I know will not happen until probably a year from now). The only thing gluing me to Android for now is freedom and growing app market and developer interests.
Although I agree with a lot of what you have said in terms of Sprint and the OEM's, I disagree with your comment about Google not caring. It's not that Google doesn't care. Android is open source, and the decisions of OEM's and Carriers as far as updates or which phones ship with what version of Android is completely out of the hands of Google. Google simply develops the OS and releases it when it's ready.
That could be why Samsung's website lists the Epic as having Froyo while Sprint's website does not. Or it could just be a mistake
They reverted the specs back to "2.1"
Features and Specifications - Samsung Epic™ 4G Android Smartphone | Samsung Mobile
that is so sad that they have done that so quickly... i hope they see that we are really starting to be unpleased with this lack of update and them not being behind sprint asking why the update hasnt been pushed
On the Sprint forums, an administrator who seems to have some insight on the status of the update has indicated that the hold up isn't due to the Sprint apps. So, if the update has been sent to the carrier and there is found to be no problem with the Sprint apps, what more is there to test? In speaking with Samsung, they seem to point to the carrier and say that the update is coming in the form of an OTA from them.
At least with the HTC Hero phone back when it had 1.5, Sprint periodically posted in the forums and sent out information via Twitter indicating a particular quarter during a year when the update could be provided. In speaking with Sprint about the Epic update, it seems that it maybe didn't occur to them to provide this same type of status update.
It's almost like Sprint and Samsung are talking to each other and coming up with a standard response of they don't have any information concerning the update and are unable to provide a specific update. Maybe more e-mails from other Sprint customers will get Sprint at least say something about what is going on.
At least with the HTC Hero phone back when it had 1.5, Sprint periodically posted in the forums and sent out information via Twitter indicating a particular quarter during a year when the update could be provided. In speaking with Sprint about the Epic update, it seems that it maybe didn't occur to them to provide this same type of status update.
It's almost like Sprint and Samsung are talking to each other and coming up with a standard response of they don't have any information concerning the update and are unable to provide a specific update. Maybe more e-mails from other Sprint customers will get Sprint at least say something about what is going on.
The problem is their is no contractual agreement or standard to uphold....If they REALLY wanted to push an OTA then they would........They got what they wanted...our money...its the 30% of the tech junkies who follow what software version they have.....
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The reason I feel Google doesn't care is because they would be stricter with the carriers about their update policies and leaving people out in the cold like this. Why did the Pre get like 8 updates in a year. Yes webOS is totally different than Android (and the updates were more like bug fixes and screwups), but the fact they pushed updates THROUGH SPRINT rapidly shows that's it can be done. The Nexus One was on T-mobile, a cell carrier, and that received updates all the time. Or am I just not understanding how the Nexus One "GOOGLE PHONE" thing worked?
The problem is Google isn't really in a position to force an update on every OEM on every carier. Unless it's a Nexus Phone running Stock Android, the update has to be optimized for of all things else, the custom overlays and UI's put on top of Android such as Sense, MotoBlur, and TouchWiz.
Sprint delays Epic 4G software update
Sprint delays Epic 4G software update, no Galaxy S phones in the U.S. will see Android 2.2 in 2010
Sprint delays Epic 4G software update, no Galaxy S phones in the U.S. will see Android 2.2 in 2010
Merged these two threads. Guys, let's please keep *ALL* Froyo update discussion in this thread and this thread only.
Palm had literally one phone that they were focused on (until the pixi came along). They bet the bank on the pre... Of course they were going to support in properly. They had no excuse not to. HTC, Motorola, and Samsung have many more phones, which means many more to support.
The Evo has received 3~5 official updates (maybe more) in it's 6 months. HTC released Froyo for the Evo 2 months after the initial release. It also only took Motorola 2 months to update the Droid X to Froyo
NONE of the U.S. Galaxy S devices have been updated to 2.2 yet. It has been over 5 months since the first U.S. Galaxy phone (Vibrant) was released, and still no timetable for the update.
Palm had no problem getting updates through. Neither did HTC. Clearly this is Samsung's problem.
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