Froyo not till 2011?!

[sweetmonster457]

i haven't read this whole forum, so let me apologize in advance if this has already been said. sorry. Can someone tell me why touch wiz can't just be slapped on gingerbread and sent to the carriers? gingerbread is already running on a galaxy S phone, why can't Froyo just be skipped?

 

[Chris Kerrigan]

i haven't read this whole forum, so let me apologize in advance if this has already been said. sorry. Can someone tell me why touch wiz can't just be slapped on gingerbread and sent to the carriers? gingerbread is already running on a galaxy S phone, why can't Froyo just be skipped?

TouchWiz is proprietary software running on top of Android. Because of that, only Samsung owns the code (legally). This means that any new version of the Android OS has to be optimized by Samsung for their proprietary code, which is why they can't just slap it on as they please.

 

[murso74]

probably the biggest issue is that the nexus S is gsm and our phone is CDMA. there's always little changes like GPS and such too. i think the fact is they really aren't concerned with looking backwards now

 

[anon(47596)]

i don't think there's anything wrong with expecting a company that is holdign us to a 2 year contract to be expected to support the phone for 2 years.

That brings up some interesting questions:

1. What do you mean by "support?" The phone works doesn't it? There was a maintenance release already. Sure the Epic has a some annoyances, but I bet the Nexus S does too. I would argue there is no "guarantee" or even an expectation that you will have a cutting edge, bug free, annoyance free smart phone at the end of those 2 years.

2. Sprint is who is holding you to the 2-year contract, but Google/Samsung/Sprint are responsible for the software. Who to blame? It's a complicated way of doing business. It makes Steve Jobs look all the wiser.

 

[Tripp1717]

I love my epic, i have not rooted but i have changed my youtube app, changed it to the evos so i would always get HQ, and changed my browser to always be in desktop mode. Im fortunite enough to live in an area with full bars in 4g. I check everyday for updates. I want flash more than anything else really. Does anyone know a way where we can bombard samsung/sprint with our growing dissatisfaction? I want my voice heard. They arent coming here to check.....

 

[murso74]

all i know is if this new galaxy player comes out with 2.2 before we get it someone is getting a phone shoved up their ass

oh.. add this to the list of things i want froyo for... being able to use the audio out on my 50 dollar car mount that i bought thinking that 2.2 was imminent...

 

[whippingboy]

While one could argue they don't OWE us 2.2... they do OWE us a working phone. The Epic has so many broken issues you could arguably level a class action suit against Sprint and Samsung.

The default email is abysmal reliability wise, and 4g does not work with MANY of the apps and yet we're charged extra for this and they better fix these issues with this update or I WILL look into formal matters. If they didn't lock you into a contract, they could argue about the 30 days to review the product etc... but the contract and tiered pricing makes it arguably a slippery slope that comes down to "bait and switch" marketing of which both Sprint and Samsung are currently guilty of.

The phone and it's list of stock installed programs do not work as advertised- they need to cover the phone at least the life of the 1st year warranty in "working condition", or you should be able to break the contract free of charge at anytime and get either another phone or move to another carrier because Sprint and Samsung are incapable of fulfilling their promise of delivering a working device.

The bigger problem is Sprint gives far too much power to the store retailers and anything customer service says over the phone has no bearing once you bring a phone to the store. If you go through the mail these days- it seems to be through Asurion (for insurance claims) only- which is a completely different matter.

 

[trinamorgan88]

Maybe they are working out the bugs for 2.2 because it's made my Intercept a piece of crap. Launcher FC's all the time, phone freezes up for no reason. Only good thing is that Sprint let me upgrade early to an EVO.

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[whippingboy]

Ugh. My issue is, even if they did let me "upgrade early" I really love having a keyboard- and the Evo Shift is just way too small a screen for me... Epic really is my preferred option- but I need the dang thing to WORK like it should (I'm not even talking about Froyo here...)

 

[bipoler#AC]

I've really had it with these phones. Yes, I love the idea of having a phone that let's me do everything....check my email, text messages, web, video, yada, yada, yada. But what good is a phone if it doesn't get updated? What good is a phone that you have to root and add applications to perform functions that should work out of the box. Luckily I, as we all are on these forums, are tech lovers and don't mind tinkering with our phones. But why?

My daughter's Blackberry broke and has to use my old Hero, and she HATES it. Why? cuz it's just not user friendly for the everyday user. She's got an itouch and figured it out in a few hours....she has no desire whatsoever to keep the Hero or any other Android phone for that matter.

Why do all these phones have to have different interfaces and overlays and nonsense? Why can't they all just have Android and be able to upgrade to the newest without having to worry about platform compatibility? Why? Money...now we dopes who shelled out for the Epic won't have the latest software for this "great" phone, and soon the Galaxy S2 will be out. So guess what? I'm sure Froyo will be the last update, IF we ever get it....it's all about the $$. Now we all have to drop another $200 for the newest phone. Such B/S

I'm completely convinced that the ONLY reason that Android is so popular is because the Iphone is exclusive to AT&T, but everyone wants one. So, we all buy these phones wanting the Iphone experience, which is very difficult, or impossible for the everyday user to achieve. I guarantee that once the Iphone is released on Verizon, it will DESTROY the Droid line in no time flat. And if it would ever come to Sprint....I would jump ship in a second. Why? It just works, and it works well. And, if there's an update....guess what? You actually get the update!!! Wow what a concept!!!

Sorry, but this has really been bugging me....

I know that's right!! I concur...I'm done google whil open source SHOULD require IF the manufacture chooses to do a skin it should be an OPTION to use it or not...to many FORCED functions just like carrier appsmost don't use or do use. Their should be no need for "rooting" if we own the phone we should Own the phone!.....I'm keeping this "epic" situation until I am convienced a worthy replacement comes...I refuse to KEEP buying into the cycle & we can not even get updates their should be NO DELAY!!! PERIOD



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[rangers28]

Interesting you say that. Why are we so upset that our phones have not been updated? When did updating the OS of a phone become an expectation? If I'm not mistaken, it started with the iPhone. The iPhone started out as an iPod that could make phone calls and that was about it. But it got updates! Added features! Now we expect all smartphones to behave the same way.

That's my point!! The Iphone gets updated by Apple for their customers! Now, if it comes a time when your phone cannot handle the new update, whether for specifice hardware or software reasons, then it is up to the consumer to upgrade to the new phone or stick with the old one. How long did the Iphone get updated before the major change to the Iphone 4? I don't even know if the older models can get the new IOS version or not, as I'm not familiar with it, but at least they got good use out of their phones. But I do know that as soon as a new IOS version came out, it was pushed out to ALL Iphones.

What we have here is Samsung saying the Epic is the latest and greatest, and they're going to support it full force. so now, we're waiting for Froyo, which the Evo, and other phones, have had FOR MONTHS!! Why? It's clear that our Epics are able to run it with no problems, based on hardware, but it's the G-damn manufacturer-specific U/I that slows everything up.

The Epic stands alone, in my eyes, as a superior phone just based upon it's hardware. The screen, keyboard, processor, etc. are just way better than any other phone out there, imo. Now why the hell do we have to be slowed down just because of friggin' TouchWiz, which I don't use anyway???? There's enough differentiation in phones due to their hardware that they can be put out with vanilla android and they will still sell, and then they can be upgraded easily.

It's like a computer. If I bought a computer with Windows XP, I would regularly get alerted to updates, and I have the choice to update or not. Then Vista and Windows 7 came out. If you wanted to upgrade to Vista then W7, you could purchase it provided that your cpu could run it. You didn't have to go out and buy a new computer to get it. I'm still using XP, and I'm fine with it! But if computers were like Android, you'd buy a computer, then next year you'd be told that if you want Windows 7, you have to buy this new computer, even though the one you just bought could run it, no problem.

Now, if we purchased this Epic, and it had plain old vanilla Android with Eclair, we could have gotten Froyo and be up to date and competitive with the market. When Gingerbread comes out, Samsung could push the update out. If it works with the Epic, which I'm sure it would, then I would simply update it. If it wouldn't work due to processor/hardware issues, then I would have the choice to upgrade to the newer model or not. There are always going to be newer models with newer features that people will want to buy, but we should have the choice to upgrade or not, ESPECIALLY when we all know, and Samsung knows, that the Epic can easily run Froyo, and Gingerbread, I'm sure. But now they announce the Galaxy S2, so they are already moving on to the next "greatest" phone, which I WILL NOT purchase, no matter what Samsung has to say about it because it's clear it will not be supported. Period.

 

[DroidXcon]

When your device is a Speak&Spell its easy to update lets compare apples to apples (no pun intended)

 

[bmac417]

a few weeks ago a sprint tech support guy told me to go ahead hand put 2.2 on my phone...even told me how to find it! Ala XDA! Put it on... lost the GPS and then went back to 2.1 since the update was gonna come anyway. The Sprint guy did say that he felt that Gingerbread would be the next update for epic and that 2.2 would be skipped....kinda interesting

 

[jrz5024]

What we have here is Samsung saying the Epic is the latest and greatest, and they're going to support it full force. so now, we're waiting for Froyo, which the Evo, and other phones, have had FOR MONTHS!! Why? It's clear that our Epics are able to run it with no problems, based on hardware, but it's the G-damn manufacturer-specific U/I that slows everything up.

The Epic stands alone, in my eyes, as a superior phone just based upon it's hardware. The screen, keyboard, processor, etc. are just way better than any other phone out there, imo. Now why the hell do we have to be slowed down just because of friggin' TouchWiz, which I don't use anyway???? There's enough differentiation in phones due to their hardware that they can be put out with vanilla android and they will still sell, and then they can be upgraded easily.

It's like a computer. If I bought a computer with Windows XP, I would regularly get alerted to updates, and I have the choice to update or not. Then Vista and Windows 7 came out. If you wanted to upgrade to Vista then W7, you could purchase it provided that your cpu could run it. You didn't have to go out and buy a new computer to get it. I'm still using XP, and I'm fine with it! But if computers were like Android, you'd buy a computer, then next year you'd be told that if you want Windows 7, you have to buy this new computer, even though the one you just bought could run it, no problem.

Now, if we purchased this Epic, and it had plain old vanilla Android with Eclair, we could have gotten Froyo and be up to date and competitive with the market. When Gingerbread comes out, Samsung could push the update out. If it works with the Epic, which I'm sure it would, then I would simply update it. If it wouldn't work due to processor/hardware issues, then I would have the choice to upgrade to the newer model or not. There are always going to be newer models with newer features that people will want to buy, but we should have the choice to upgrade or not, ESPECIALLY when we all know, and Samsung knows, that the Epic can easily run Froyo, and Gingerbread, I'm sure. But now they announce the Galaxy S2, so they are already moving on to the next "greatest" phone, which I WILL NOT purchase, no matter what Samsung has to say about it because it's clear it will not be supported. Period.

+1. Well said, sir.

My biggest beef with the entire situation is their complete inability to keep a promise. It would be annoying to wait forever for updates, but I understand that these things take time. But why spout announcement after announcement that it's going to be released on this date or that date if you know damn well it won't be ready by this time? If you can't trust a company on its word, you can't trust it on anything.

It's frustrating to me that Samsung has such little respect for their consumers that they can't even be bothered to announce accurate release dates, or at least have the stones to simply tell us it'll be released "when it's done" ala other tech companies (Google, for one). I would honestly prefer it to this constant rollercoaster of getting excited for an update, only to have the release date pass with no update and nary an acknowledgment from Samsung or Sprint that they just lied to our collective faces. I don't care how good Sammy's products are, if they won't respect me as a consumer, I won't give them my money. Simple as that.

 

[ap77]

I don't care how good Sammy's products are, if they won't respect me as a consumer, I won't give them my money. Simple as that.

One of the problems here is that we can't be sure if the problem is with Samsung or with Sprint (or both). The solution would be for Google to remove both from the equation and require compatibility with stock android releases.

 

[Robbie Doo]

At this time none take responsibility.
I called Samsung. They said that it was released to Sprint and they are processing in batched (go figure what that means).

I called Sprint. They were playing dumb, like "what's that? what are you talking about? what batches?".

My suggestion would be, all of you call both of them and ask what happened. You may get a better/different answer. So, if anyone can get a better answer from these 2 let us know.

 

[VDub2174]

That's my point!! The Iphone gets updated by Apple for their customers! Now, if it comes a time when your phone cannot handle the new update, whether for specifice hardware or software reasons, then it is up to the consumer to upgrade to the new phone or stick with the old one. How long did the Iphone get updated before the major change to the Iphone 4? I don't even know if the older models can get the new IOS version or not, as I'm not familiar with it, but at least they got good use out of their phones. But I do know that as soon as a new IOS version came out, it was pushed out to ALL Iphones.

What we have here is Samsung saying the Epic is the latest and greatest, and they're going to support it full force. so now, we're waiting for Froyo, which the Evo, and other phones, have had FOR MONTHS!! Why? It's clear that our Epics are able to run it with no problems, based on hardware, but it's the G-damn manufacturer-specific U/I that slows everything up.

Looks like you answered it perfectly in your second paragraph. It's easy for Apple to apply updates to all iPhones cause they're all made by Apple. If all Android phones were made by one company (Samsung, HTC, ect.) then it would most likely be easier to update on all phones.

 

[rangers28]

Looks like you answered it perfectly in your second paragraph. It's easy for Apple to apply updates to all iPhones cause they're all made by Apple. If all Android phones were made by one company (Samsung, HTC, ect.) then it would most likely be easier to update on all phones.

Yeah, but we're talking about the O/S, not the hardware. The O/S IS made by one company...Google. Just like the IOS is made by Apple. Now, what I'm saying is that if each manufacturer only used Vanilla Android, and not force you to use some convoluted interface, like Sense, TouchWiz, Motoblur, etc. We'd get the updates when they're available. The way the system works now, we have to worry about compatability with each manufacturer's own software garbage. The LG Optimus is running 2.2, for God's sake!!! The Nexus One was able to just get updates, cuz it was directly from Google, with no nonsense. Now, the way they handled that phone is another story....lol....

That's the problem I have....just give me the damn phone with vanilla. If I want some fancy, swipy, blurry, wizzy interface, put out an app for it. I, personally, use LauncherPro. I even PAID for the full version, so I would have no problem with that. Just don't force these dopey U/I's down our throats, then punish us cuz now our phones can't be upgraded because of it.

And why do we have to skip Froyo, and wait to jump to Gingerbread?!? Is that Samsung's reasoning? Sure, I'd love to get Gingerbread, but I'd also love, and need, to take advantage of some Froyo features in the meantime...just like those lucky Optimus users!! Those fargin' bastidges...lol...

 

[TheHostileGamer]

Neeeerrrrrrrddddddd raaaagggggeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!

 

[SomeAudioGuy]

Looks like you answered it perfectly in your second paragraph. It's easy for Apple to apply updates to all iPhones cause they're all made by Apple. If all Android phones were made by one company (Samsung, HTC, ect.) then it would most likely be easier to update on all phones.

But all SAMSUNG phones ARE made by Samsung, so why is it they can't provide support for their hardware? HTC doesn't seem to have as many problems in this regard...