I understand you guys work hard, i understand how much of a pain it must have been to work with the phone "in the dark", the reason I say its a PITA as because of having to look at your computer screen and type in code in terminal to get things to work. I wasn't try to disrespect you or anything like that, some parts of this rooting deal can get confusing. For example, Once I force flash V9 and root with z4root, go into terminal and flash the Xionia V6 recovery, force flash back to VC, one of the posts say if you don't have stock recovery that you will brick your phone but if you have drellisdee's custom that you should be ok, I am assuming the same will be with this recovery since you both are telling me to flash it. Seems that patching root for VD is as simple as flashing file from SD in recovery, def going to take that path. The recovery's were causing me the problem the whole time as I couldn't see the screen but it looks like Xionia V6 fixes that, thanks for your help. should be able to handle it from here....i hope.