HTC Suffers Another Bad Quarter- Profits Down 83%

[AMG_Roadster]

These are posts started to just get people upset. Personally I don't care about any profits as long as my phone does what I want and need.
Everyone takes the bait and runs with it.

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Except that profits speak to long term viability of the company and the likelihood they will be able to build and support the phones you like so much in the future. Companies are in business to make a profit - making the phone you want is simply a means to an end.

 

[osubeavs728]

If anyone actually thinks that htc is going to suddenly fall off the map or go out of business, you're high as a kite. This is the age of buyouts and bailouts, no one with a portfolio like htc is allowed to go out of business. Second, yes Samsung is killing it right now, but all super powers fall eventually. They won't be kings forever.

 

[Farish]

If anyone actually thinks that htc is going to suddenly fall off the map or go out of business, you're high as a kite. This is the age of buyouts and bailouts, no one with a portfolio like htc is allowed to go out of business.

People also told me the same thing about Kodak, Polaroid, Palm, Borders, Circuit City, Blockbuster, etc, etc.

 

[osubeavs728]

People also told me the same thing about Kodak, Polaroid, Palm, Borders, Circuit City, Blockbuster, etc, etc.

Did circuit city, borders, and blockbuster have IP that would further another business' stance in the market? Kodak and Polaroid are still around...

 

[JHBThree]

People also told me the same thing about Kodak, Polaroid, Palm, Borders, Circuit City, Blockbuster, etc, etc.

Except all of those companies lost hundreds of millions of dollars before they went belly up. HTC hasn't lost a penny yet.

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[Farish]

Did circuit city, borders, and blockbuster have IP that would further another business' stance in the market? Kodak and Polaroid are still around...

Kodak and Polaroid the brand exists but what is there is a mere shadow of itself. Kodak thought their ip was worth a few billion dollars and got sold for about 20 percent of that to Apple/Google.

My point is that HTC has products but all it takes is some more bad quarters before it all comes crashing down.

 

[JHBThree]

Kodak and Polaroid the brand exists but what is there is a mere shadow of itself. Kodak thought their ip was worth a few billion dollars and got sold for about 20 percent of that to Apple/Google.

My point is that HTC has products but all it takes is some more bad quarters before it all comes crashing down.

What part of 'they haven't lost a penny' do you not understand?

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[shoii]

Not relevant at all. The s4 isn't selling because it has a removable battery or sd card, and the one isn't not selling because it lacks them. The fact that you brought it up in this thread, and the fact that that topic is usually the first retort of Samsung fanboys where any discussion of the one is concerned, would indicate an intent to troll.

If that was not your intent, then so be it. However, given how things have occurred in previous threads, it wasn't hard to draw a conclusion.

I meant he has an opinion that is absolutely relevant to this topic. It's sad to call us fanboys when somebody else made a comment first criticizing the S4 brightness for no reason at all. Nobody even followed up on that stupid comment, I was just defending somebody's opinion. To see you take that as an offense or as "trolling" tells me you have no tolerance for any opinions.

GS4 Love

 

[AdamsHouseCat]

Looks like the analysts who in May predicted this sharp downturn for HTC in June were correct. Though all the HTC 'faithful' considered the idea that their beloved aluminum device would fall off so soon and so sharply, to be blasphemy.
They sorely misread those analysts AND more importantly, the general purchasing public.
Two takeaways: 1. Pay attention to forecasters. 2. The general buying public cares very little about what material a mobile phone is comprised of. See: Samsung Galaxy line financial spread sheet.

You are aware that Samsung missed analysts projections too?

 

[NotJustAPhone]

Keep the discussion civil. If you believe a post is inappropriate, then feel free to hit the report button. Arguing about who is trolling means you're adding to the problem. Keep in mind that calling another member a troll is considered trolling under the forum rules.

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[osubeavs728]

Kodak and Polaroid the brand exists but what is there is a mere shadow of itself. Kodak thought their ip was worth a few billion dollars and got sold for about 20 percent of that to Apple/Google.

My point is that HTC has products but all it takes is some more bad quarters before it all comes crashing down.

"Bad quarters" and operating in the red are two very different things though

 

[Farish]

Except all of those companies lost hundreds of millions of dollars before they went belly up. HTC hasn't lost a penny yet.

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HTC is not losing money but they currently not making any. There earnings per share has been negative over the last 5 years.
They may not die an immediate death but if they continue the trend, they will die a slow one.

Biggest concern I would have is that HTC uses zero to very low debt. People may think that is a good thing, and it is if you are sitting on billions of cash reserves like Apple.
Samsung has 13 billion in debt but if they were to pay all that off tomorrow they still would have about 30 billion in the bank.

In a weird way it would be better if HTC had a big credit line so they could tap into to expand if needed or if they start feeling financial pressure.

 

[Farish]

"Bad quarters" and operating in the red are two very different things though

Consecutive bad quarters becomes a trend. As well with bad months.

Here is HTC over the last 6 months from compared to the same months a year ago.
2013 2012 MoM Change YoY Change
January 15,536 16,615 -27.97% -6.49%
February 11,370 20,294 -26.82% -43.98%
March 15,882 30,880 39.69% -48.57%
April 19,591 31,032 23.35% -36.87%
May 29,001 30,004 48.03% -3.35%
June 22,075 30,004 -23.88% -26.43%

 

[JHBThree]

HTC is not losing money but they currently not making any. There earnings per share has been negative over the last 5 years.
They may not die an immediate death but if they continue the trend, they will die a slow one.

Biggest concern I would have is that HTC uses zero to very low debt. People may think that is a good thing, and it is if you are sitting on billions of cash reserves like Apple.
Samsung has 13 billion in debt but if they were to pay all that off tomorrow they still would have about 30 billion in the bank.

In a weird way it would be better if HTC had a big credit line so they could tap into to expand if needed or if they start feeling financial pressure.

They aren't losing money, and they ARE making money, even if its not a big amount. Stop spreading falsehoods.

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[JHBThree]

Consecutive bad quarters becomes a trend. As well with bad months.

Here is HTC over the last 6 months from compared to the same months a year ago.
20132012MoM ChangeYoY Change
January 15,536 16,615 -27.97%-6.49%
February 11,370 20,294 -26.82%-43.98%
March 15,882 30,880 39.69%-48.57%
April 19,591 31,032 23.35%-36.87%
May 29,001 30,004 48.03%-3.35%
June 22,075 30,004 -23.88%-26.43%

Except they're improving since the One came out, and they have three more high profile handsets coming out soon. The trend is what matters, and it is moving in the right direction.

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[Farish]

They aren't losing money, and they ARE making money, even if its not a big amount. Stop spreading falsehoods.

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First sentence states HTC is not losing any money.

Let me rephrase then.

They are still making much less money than a year ago.

Even in May when the HTC One was fully released they still lost 3 percent than the previous year.

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Except they're improving since the One came out, and they have three more high profile handsets coming out soon. The trend is what matters, and it is moving in the right direction.

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That is this years numbers. There has not been any improvement.

 

[JHBThree]

First sentence states HTC is not losing any money.

Let me rephrase then.

They are still making much less money than a year ago.

Even in May when the HTC One was fully released they still lost 3 percent than the previous year.

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That is this years numbers. There has not been any improvement.

There actually has. Generally, improvement means the numbers have gotten better. [Edited by moderator], you'll notice that the numbers they just provided are better than the previous ones.

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[Farish]

There actually has. Generally, improvement means the numbers have gotten better. [Edited by moderator], you'll notice that the numbers they just provided are better than the previous ones.

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This is cleaner
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[td]Month[/td][td] 2013 [/td] [td] 2012 [/td] [td] Sales % compared from Previous Month [/td] [td] Sales % From Previous Year[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]May[/td] [td] 29,001 [/td][td] 30,004 [/td][td] 48.03% [/td] [td] -3.35%[/td][/tr]
[tr][td] June[/td] [td] 22,075 [/td] [td] 30,004 [/td] [td] -23.88% [/td] [td] -26.43%[/td][/tr]
[/table]

Every month compared to the previous year the percentage is negative.
There has not been a single month this year that compared to last year they were better than the previous year. There best months were April and May and they still did not beat the previous year's sales.
They are so far this year down 28 percent total compared to the previous year.

The facts are the facts and nothing is going to change them.

 

[TheLibertarian]

I'm at a loss how these threads always travel down the same roads.

HTC and Samsung are both underperforming, got it.

Just wanted to say this: if you're a Samsung fan, or even a "fanboy" there's nothing wrong with that.

But personally, if I were a delusional fan of a company or product, regardless what said company or product was, I would also be the biggest supporter of my preferences competition.

You love the GS4? Terrific, but you should wish for other manufacturers to succeed as well.

Competition breeds excellence, no way around that.

As a Mustang enthusiast, I was ecstatic when Chevy brought back the Camaro. It challenged and bested the Mustang in nearly every category, and that prompted Ford to rise to their competitors.

Competition is a welcome thing in the market, and you're a fool if you would hope for otherwise.

Wishing both Samsung and HTC all the success in the world. And yes, I even hope Apple keeps on "innovating" to keep Google honest.

 

[xlDeMoNiClx]

Both of my statements are factually correct.

No, they're not. I found the S4 screen to be more than bright enough, and so have a lot of others.

Still, I'm disappointed to hear this about HTC. I was hoping the One would be giving them a better time.