Huawei Nexus SD810 is a DEAL BREAKER for me

[Aquila]

Life is very short, and there's no time - for fussing and fighting, my friend.

 

[getbretweir]

Life is very short, and there's no time - for fussing and fighting, my friend.

friendly debate, that's what we're here for my man ... this goes without saying, but at the end of the day, 810, 808, 820, whatever ... doesn't mean anything . truth is there's 0 chance of noticing it in real world use, and there are so many more factors that make up performance.

I think we outsmart ourselves sometimes, at least I do. and what I mean by that, is we talk about OEMs and their marketing schemes, and spec wars, 4K displays, blah blah yet here we are falling right into the same trap we accuse others of making. acting like we know what the hell we're talking about, when the truth is if u switched chips and phones, none of us would notice a single difference.

 

[Evilnut]

friendly debate, that's what we're here for my man ... this goes without saying, but at the end of the day, 810, 808, 820, whatever ... doesn't mean anything . truth is there's 0 chance of noticing it in real world use, and there are so many more factors that make up performance.

I think we outsmart ourselves sometimes, at least I do. and what I mean by that, is we talk about OEMs and their marketing schemes, and spec wars, 4K displays, blah blah yet here we are falling right into the same trap we accuse others of making. acting like we know what the hell we're talking about, when the truth is if u switched chips and phones, none of us would notice a single difference.

One thing my beloved original Moto X has showed me is that specs don't really matter that much as long everything just works and works awesome!

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[D13H4RD2L1V3]

One thing my beloved original Moto X has showed me is that specs don't really matter that much as long everything just works and works awesome!

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The current iPhones have the same philosophy as well.

They may only have dual-core processors and less memory than the equivalent Android phone (In terms of RAW specs, the iPhone 6S is equivalent to the 2012 Galaxy S3 LTE or 2013 Moto X) but it is extremely fast and fluid, being able to keep up and sometimes, outperform Android phones with more cores and RAM. Why? Software optimization.

Just goes to show that specs don't matter and that software optimization is the big picture to what makes a fast phone really fast.

Unfortunately, because it's Apple, many will quickly disown it for "lacking specs".

 

[RHChan84]

We are at the point where processors doesn't make much difference anymore and software optimization is what needs to be done. The downside of Android is that there are so many manufactures that it's nearly impossible to optimize it for all.

Apple makes their own hardware and also has full control of their OS. Their iPhone 6 with 1GB sometimes runs smoother then the latest and great Android device.

 

[Cakefish]

Sony has proven with the new Z5 range (and their dual heatpipes and thermal paste) that with a bit of effort, you can get the 810 to not overheat. Z5 series have been proven to be the coolest running 810-powered phones yet with no heating issues (they can record 4K video for longer than any other phone currently on the market).

Am I trying to defend Qualcomm? Nope. It's a design flaw.

But if Huawei follow in Sony's footsteps and have designed a decent enough cooling system to cope with the heat then it doesn't really matter.

Plus, the Nexus 5 is still really snappy with a 800! I don't see the critical need for everything to be a billion times faster each year. Yes, we love it because we're tech enthusiasts and technological innovation is interesting and cool to see.

But even a marginal improvement over the 805 (again, assuming the OEM has built a robust enough cooling solution for the 810) is still a feckin' fast phone! I can't think of any usage scenario where I'd really need a phone that's that ridiculously fast, except mobile gaming. That doesn't mean I won't desire one, because I'm a tech enthusiast and I love shiny new toys. But the 810 is not a deal breaker for me if it's cooled properly (as it is in the Sony Z5 series) and does not regress on performance from the previous generation.

 

[getbretweir]

Sony has proven with the new Z5 range (and their dual heatpipes and thermal paste) that with a bit of effort, you can get the 810 to not overheat. Z5 series have been proven to be the coolest running 810-powered phones yet with no heating issues (they can record 4K video for longer than any other phone currently on the market).

Am I trying to defend Qualcomm? Nope. It's a design flaw.

But if Huawei follow in Sony's footsteps and have designed a decent enough cooling system to cope with the heat then it doesn't really matter.

Plus, the Nexus 5 is still really snappy with a 800! I don't see the critical need for everything to be a billion times faster each year. Yes, we love it because we're tech enthusiasts and technological innovation is interesting and cool to see.

But even a marginal improvement over the 805 (again, assuming the OEM has built a robust enough cooling solution for the 810) is still a feckin' fast phone! I can't think of any usage scenario where I'd really need a phone that's that ridiculously fast, except mobile gaming. That doesn't mean I won't desire one, because I'm a tech enthusiast and I love shiny new toys. But the 810 is not a deal breaker for me if it's cooled properly (as it is in the Sony Z5 series) and does not regress on performance from the previous generation.

totally agree ... on a post yesterday I said something similar. one thing im looking forward to in the 29th is exactly what u said, some sort of internal cooling system. I'm honestly not expecting anything similar to Sony, but it'll be interesting to see

 

[Cakefish]

totally agree ... on a post yesterday I said something similar. one thing im looking forward to in the 29th is exactly what u said, some sort of internal cooling system. I'm honestly not expecting anything similar to Sony, but it'll be interesting to see

Sony have really done a lot right this time around in my opinion. Only because they learnt the hard way by effing up the Z4/Z3+ mind you, so I'm not trying to paint them as heroes or anything of the sort. But at least they did learn from their mistake and fixed it with the Z5s.

It may turn out that Sony will be the only OEM to offer the true potential of the 810 with no throttling. Instead of taking the OnePlus route and throttling performance to keep performance stable & consistent (which is justified and preferable to doing nothing at all but still far from ideal), the Z5s have the full power of the 810 as it was meant to be run from the beginning. But hopefully Huawei also cools the 810 sufficiently.

 

[SmogHog]

Re: Hauwei Nexus DEAL BREAKER!!

I stopped seeing any speculation about the SD620 in Nexus upcoming devices?

Is it completely ruled out?

 

[getbretweir]

Re: Hauwei Nexus DEAL BREAKER!!

I stopped seeing any speculation about the SD620 in Nexus upcoming devices?

Is it completely ruled out?

I think it's fair to assume the 620 is out, but until the 29th I wouldn't bet on anything.

 

[Cakefish]

Re: Hauwei Nexus DEAL BREAKER!!

I stopped seeing any speculation about the SD620 in Nexus upcoming devices?

Is it completely ruled out?

Pretty much, though indirectly. SD617 has been recently announced by Qualcomm to fill the Q4 2015 slot in the mid-range sector, leaving 618 and 620 for early 2016, along with 820.

Basically Qualcomm can't release a mid-range SOC that outperforms the 808 and likely equals the 810 until the new flagship SOC is out. Otherwise it'd cannibalise their profit margins as all the OEMs would opt for the cheaper SOC.

It sucks for us consumers but that's how businesses operate.

 

[Alex98]

The actual problem with 810 is not even performances because even when it throttles, it is still powerfull enough for every task you put on it.

The real issue, IMO, is power consumption. The 810/808 consumes way too much power.

 

[getbretweir]

Re: Hauwei Nexus DEAL BREAKER!!

Pretty much, though indirectly. SD617 has been recently announced by Qualcomm to fill the Q4 2015 slot in the mid-range sector, leaving 618 and 620 for early 2016, along with 820.

Basically Qualcomm can't release a mid-range SOC that outperforms the 808 and likely equals the 810 until the new flagship SOC is out. Otherwise it'd cannibalise their profit margins as all the OEMs would opt for the cheaper SOC.

It sucks for us consumers but that's how businesses operate.

exactly

 

[Alex98]

Re: Hauwei Nexus DEAL BREAKER!!

Pretty much, though indirectly. SD617 has been recently announced by Qualcomm to fill the Q4 2015 slot in the mid-range sector, leaving 618 and 620 for early 2016, along with 820.

Basically Qualcomm can't release a mid-range SOC that outperforms the 808 and likely equals the 810 until the new flagship SOC is out. Otherwise it'd cannibalise their profit margins as all the OEMs would opt for the cheaper SOC.

It sucks for us consumers but that's how businesses operate.

That's sadly true.
The situation could have been different if there was any real competition in the high-end SoC market but with Samsung and Huawei that basically produce for themselves and Mediatek that focuses on low-end and middle-range SoC, Qualcomm is still the king in this segment.

Next year will be interesting with mediatek that start to mass product high-end SoC.

 

[Cakefish]

Re: Hauwei Nexus DEAL BREAKER!!

That's sadly true.
The situation could have been different if there was any real competition in the high-end SoC market but with Samsung and Huawei that basically produce for themselves and Mediatek that focuses on low-end and middle-range SoC, Qualcomm is still the king in this segment.

Next year will be interesting with mediatek that start to mass product high-end SoC.

Helio X30 looks very compelling indeed.

Hopefully Samsung continues to use their Exynos too.

Competition is good!

 

[Alex98]

Re: Hauwei Nexus DEAL BREAKER!!

Helio X30 looks very compelling indeed.

Hopefully Samsung continues to use their Exynos too.

Competition is good!

The S820 vs A72's confrontation will be very interesting.

 

[anon(5506951)]

So the screen on my S3 went to crap just now. There's a purple spot on the left that's spread halfway down and blue, that really shows on white. I wanted to wait for the new Nexus, but am now in a bind. Do I wait, til mid October, or get a Moto Pure? I don't know about the battery though. Or maybe the Moto Nexus? Sigh...

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[Evilnut]

So the screen on my S3 went to crap just now. There's a purple spot on the left that's spread halfway down and blue, that really shows on white. I wanted to wait for the new Nexus, but am now in a bind. Do I wait, til mid October, or get a Moto Pure? I don't know about the battery though. Or maybe the Moto Nexus? Sigh...

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Why not just get the cheapest moto G and then use that as a backup phone when the one you want comes out?

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[Kaido]

If my Nexus 5 crapped out on me right now, I would settle for the Moto X Pure. Well, it's not really settling since I also want that phone but my pockets aren't deep atm.

 

[anon(5506951)]

If my Nexus 5 crapped out on me right now, I would settle for the Moto X Pure. Well, it's not really settling since I also want that phone but my pockets aren't deep atm.

I'm just trying to see if I can hold off and deal with a screen that looks like a hologram until mid-October and get the 6P.

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