January OTA Security Update Now Available!

[bkdodger2]

Yeah fair enough. If you like it then that's all that matters.

I've just come from a Galaxy S21 phone, so my frame of reference for in-screen fingerprint scanners is the speed of the scanner per the videos above, so I'm used something that was much faster and consistent.

I totally understand... I like the fingerprint on my Fold on the power button That's pretty quick too

 

[bkdodger2]

Day one battery after the January update we shall see.. I did about an hour and a half AA..

 

[brosko]

Yeah fair enough. If you like it then that's all that matters.

I've just come from a Galaxy S21 phone, so my frame of reference for in-screen fingerprint scanners is the speed of the scanner per the videos above, so I'm used something that was much faster and consistent.

What it is, is that if your thumb is a little scruffy, with dry flaking skin from working with your hands it is much less reliable. I'm right handed and my right thumb won't read a lot of the times after working with my hands and having scratched up and flaky skin on the print
My left thumb however (which I use much less when working and is cleaner and less "damaged") is much more reliable. It seems to come down to fingerprint quality and cleanliness more than anything. The pixel 3 however read them consistently no matter what almost (except when wet).
Basically, to sum it up; in my experience, if you have an office job you are much less likely to experience problems with the fingerprint sensor than someone who works with their barehands. This is my assessment of the fingerprint sensor on the pixel 6 at least.

 

[TraderGary]

That's not very fast. This is the sort of speed other fingerprint scanners get:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLtzl-go7zg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22P_Ta78tvo

Tapping the sensor as you would opening an app will unlock it. Pixel 6 will never unlock the phone with taps that fast. If you try tapping the sensor like in the above videos you'll get the 'hold a little longer' message.

Pixel 6 fingerprint sensor is always a press and hold. And the hold part can be quite long sometimes.

I'm not saying it's awful, it's just slow & inconsistent for a late 2021 phone.

Yes, That's nice. But far from the most important quality in a phone for me. My FPS is still totally reliable.

 

[drvier8]

Yes, That's nice. But far from the most important quality in a phone for me. My FPS is still totally reliable.

I guess my question is why change from the super reliable and fast rear fingerprint reader?... Is there some feature of this reader that is better? Because the user experience is not. It works for me fairly consistently, but it is a little reminder every time that it used to be better. If I could understand what it adds, it would be a easier to accept. I'm just chalking it up to Google's ability to repeatedly and consistently take away things that I like.

 

[Maljunulo]

I never knew there were so many people who just couldn’t spare a few hundred milliseconds to unlock their phone.

 

[I Can Be Your Hero]

I guess my question is why change from the super reliable and fast rear fingerprint reader?... Is there some feature of this reader that is better? Because the user experience is not. It works for me fairly consistently, but it is a little reminder every time that it used to be better. If I could understand what it adds, it would be a easier to accept. I'm just chalking it up to Google's ability to repeatedly and consistently take away things that I like.

I'm guessing because capacitive fingerprint scanners are now considered old, outdated technology and the in-screen fingerprint scanners are new tech. So if Google are trying to sell high-end smartphones, might not look good to have old technology while other phones have all the modern scanners.

Not all in-screen fingerprint scanners are like the Pixels. Competitors have better tech scanners and even using the tech Google used, they still manage to have it read faster than what Google does. If you've used an S21 fingerprint scanner, you'll see how fast and reliable they can be.

Personally, I like in-screen scanners over the previous rear-mounted capacitive sensor. I have an office job so it's much more convenient for me to unlock the phone while the phone is on the table facing up, rather than having to lift it up and reach for the back.

I never knew there were so many people who just couldn’t spare a few hundred milliseconds to unlock their phone.

That's not a good argument. If opening every app took a few hundred milliseconds extra to open, if swiping to the home screen took a few hundred milliseconds to go home when other phones in its class don't, no one would be justifying it by effectively saying 'you need to be more patient'. The fingerprint scanner shouldn't be getting a pass here either.

The point is we shouldn't have to press and hold for a 0.5 to 2 seconds. There are alternatives out there that are much faster and accurate.

 

[TraderGary]

I'm guessing because capacitive fingerprint scanners are now considered old, outdated technology and the in-screen fingerprint scanners are new tech. So if Google are trying to sell high-end smartphones, might not look good to have old technology while other phones have all the modern scanners.

Not all in-screen fingerprint scanners are like the Pixels. Competitors have better tech scanners and even using the tech Google used, they still manage to have it read faster than what Google does. If you've used an S21 fingerprint scanner, you'll see how fast and reliable they can be.

Personally, I like in-screen scanners over the previous rear-mounted capacitive sensor. I have an office job so it's much more convenient for me to unlock the phone while the phone is on the table facing up, rather than having to lift it up and reach for the back.



That's not a good argument. If opening every app took a few hundred milliseconds extra to open, if swiping to the home screen took a few hundred milliseconds to go home when other phones in its class don't, no one would be justifying it by effectively saying 'you need to be more patient'. The fingerprint scanner shouldn't be getting a pass here either.

The point is we shouldn't have to press and hold for a 0.5 to 2 seconds. There are alternatives out there that are much faster and accurate.

Here's another consideration. Would you be willing to pay $300 more for the scanner that saves those few extra milliseconds?

 

[brosko]

It's not about the time (for me at least). It's the failing to read the fingerprint consistently the first time that's the problem.

 

[drvier8]

Here's another consideration. Would you be willing to pay $300 more for the scanner that saves those few extra milliseconds?

Yes. I bought this (and previous Pixels/Nexus) for a specific experience (rapid updates, latest and greatest version of Android, camera, and smooth pixel UI). I am hoping that they now have the update part fixed. The camera is great. The UI has some annoyances. Enough that I will be on the lookout for a replacement much sooner than I expected. Not immediately, but I do not see this being the two or three year phone I had hoped and expected. I don't know what I would choose as I've been with Google phones since the Nexus 5.

 

[I Can Be Your Hero]

Here's another consideration. Would you be willing to pay $300 more for the scanner that saves those few extra milliseconds?

That's a false equivalence. The difference between a phone with a good fingerprint sensor and the Pixel 6 isn't $300. There are plenty of phones with really fast fingerprint sensors which are as cheap or cheaper than the Pixel 6.

Getting a better fingerprint scanner doesn't mean having to drop an extra $300 on a phone. The Pixel 6's fingerprint scanner shouldn't be this slow and inconsistent because other phones with exactly the same fingerprint technology (optical) are faster/more accurate.

AC had an article about it: https://www.androidcentral.com/heres-why-google-pixel-6s-fingerprint-sensor-isnt-very-reliable

It's not about the time (for me at least). It's the files readings that are the problem.

For me it's both. It's as slow as fingerprint scanners were in 2019 and unreliable when outside in daylight.

 

[TraderGary]

That's a false equivalence. The difference between a phone with a good fingerprint sensor and the Pixel 6 isn't $300. There are plenty of phones with really fast fingerprint sensors which are as cheap or cheaper than the Pixel 6.

Getting a better fingerprint scanner doesn't mean having to drop an extra $300 on a phone. The Pixel 6's fingerprint scanner shouldn't be this slow and inconsistent because other phones with exactly the same fingerprint technology (optical) are faster/more accurate.

AC had an article about it: https://www.androidcentral.com/heres-why-google-pixel-6s-fingerprint-sensor-isnt-very-reliable



For me it's both. It's as slow as fingerprint scanners were in 2019 and unreliable when outside in daylight.

I've never experienced any FPS other than the one on my 3XL and now the one on my Pixel 6 Pro. Watching the video you supplied was a revelation. I didn't realize there was that much of a difference. Is that sensor as good in full sun?

 

[Snareman]

So are we actually supposed to be able to tell a difference with anything with this update? I can't say I was having any things that I thought were bugs before. My annoyances seem like they are built into the phone. When I'm using voice to text the mic doesn't shut off and the thing is so sensitive that it will pick up speech from across the room, tv or other people, and dictate that in. My Galaxy phones always stopped listening after I stopped talking. I feel like I hardly have to use the fingerprint scanner to unlock my phone because either its unlocked via smart lock or it locks (even though its not supposed to be) and I have to use the 4 digit code to get back in. Is there a way to unlock from locked with a finger print instead of code? Am I missing that feature? (I know a little OT for this thread, but the fact that the phone still randomly locks isn't)

 

[I Can Be Your Hero]

Watching the video you supplied was a revelation. I didn't realize there was that much of a difference. Is that sensor as good in full sun?

Yes it's that good in sunlight because it doesn't rely on light to unlock, like the optical sensor of the Pixel 6 uses. So sunlight doesn't interfere with it.

So are we actually supposed to be able to tell a difference with anything with this update? I can't say I was having any things that I thought were bugs before. My annoyances seem like they are built into the phone. When I'm using voice to text the mic doesn't shut off and the thing is so sensitive that it will pick up speech from across the room, tv or other people, and dictate that in. My Galaxy phones always stopped listening after I stopped talking. I feel like I hardly have to use the fingerprint scanner to unlock my phone because either its unlocked via smart lock or it locks (even though its not supposed to be) and I have to use the 4 digit code to get back in. Is there a way to unlock from locked with a finger print instead of code? Am I missing that feature? (I know a little OT for this thread, but the fact that the phone still randomly locks isn't)

Depends on what your issues were. I was having bad reception issues on the December patch and so far the January patch has been good and I haven't had reception issues. It's only the weekend though so I'll see how it is when I go to work. Otherwise I feel overall the phone is less buggy. Hasn't heated up yet either.

I don't use smart unlock so I'm unsure of how it's supposed to work/how to fix your issue.

 

[subguy812]

https://photos.app.goo.gl/SKmm52ZMYLhmAG6A7

Here's my FPS I don't know what y'all doing

And mine as well...and even if it isn't a .5 second as fast as my S21Ultra I think I can afford the extra time, just so it opens my phone.

 

[bkdodger2]

And mine as well...and even if it isn't a .5 second as fast as my S21Ultra I think I can affors the extra time

Yes sir exactly.. it's the one we have on this phone and as long as I can open it with no issues I'm good..

 

[YankInDaSouth]

IDK, my fingerprint sensor is pretty darn quick for me! It's just a quick tap to unlock for me ... with either finger I have registered. The animation seems to be the "slow" part on my end ...

https://photos.app.goo.gl/tUS7MRAs2TpXUuww8

 

[bkdodger2]

IDK, my fingerprint sensor is pretty darn quick for me! It's just a quick tap to unlock for me ... with either finger I have registered. The animation seems to be the "slow" part on my end ...

https://photos.app.goo.gl/tUS7MRAs2TpXUuww8

Ah very good. So I see you tap a little more as opposed to. I like to hold mine. Both seem to be effective...

 

[fuzzylumpkin]

Yes, yes... the fingerprint sensor is fine. I think what's most important is that we keep making excuses for Google's cut corners!

 

[bkdodger2]

Yes, yes... the fingerprint sensor is fine. I think what's most important is that we keep making excuses for Google's cut corners!

Well I’m not looking at it as any of us making excuses for Google .. I’m certainly not ..we just trying to show that not all of us are having issues with the FPS and it’s not a big deal to us that .5 second difference..everyone has their own experiences that goes with any phone or manufacturer…

Anyway enough with FPS let’s talk January updates people ..any new bugs or squashed things y’all seeing ?