so since all carriers are accepting the return of the note 7 Is the V20 the clear choice?

[rushmore]

Re: so since all carriers are accepting the return of the note 7....

Don't care what reviewers say about something as subjective as battery life.

Reviewers should stick to objective facts. No one can tell, on average, how well the battery will behave until it's out there in the wild. A reviewer playing with the gadget for a day or two can't speak to battery life at all in any way that's meaningful to someone buying a long-term purchase.

How can the battery life be good?

1440p LCD

Second LCD display

Same 820 as other phones

High end DACs to push high impedance headphones

3200 mah battery

The review control used is streaming video until the device dies. It fits the MXPE and V10 battery life.

What else is there that will weigh better?

The video test is intended to remove subjectivity since no other use but video streaming. The battery life is similar to the two other devices with 1440p LCDs.

The display is a battery vampire, as it should be. This is a key reason why Apple has stayed at 1080p for phones. Battery life.

 

[KwantemMekanik]

Re: so since all carriers are accepting the return of the note 7....

V10 and software update: Yes, after the AT&T update to Marshmallow, my battery life was worse AND my Bluetooth headset started popping. I hope the V20 has this properly optimized and fixed.

 

[irvine752]

Re: so since all carriers are accepting the return of the note 7....

How can the battery life be good?

1440p LCD

Second LCD display

Same 820 as other phones

High end DACs to push high impedance headphones

3200 mah battery

The review control used is streaming video until the device dies. It fits the MXPE and V10 battery life.

What else is there that will weigh better?

The video test is intended to remove subjectivity since no other use but video streaming. The battery life is similar to the two other devices with 1440p LCDs.

The display is a battery vampire, as it should be. This is a key reason why Apple has stayed at 1080p for phones. Battery life.

Sure, hardware eats up battery life, but that's all highly dependant on software optimization. Nougat at the OS level offers different ways to optimize your hardware which manufactures can tap into to improve battery life. Comparing a pre-production phone that's not completely polished is null & avoid, it only leads to more speculation. We have no idea what's happening in those background processes when those videos were playing. There's no need to rush with the reviews, I'm sure LG will ship out a few proper review models in a week or two.

 

[nizmoz]

Re: so since all carriers are accepting the return of the note 7....

Just got back from AT&T and had ZERO issues. The lady was nice and knew about the issues of the replacements. She actually entered it all in the system and thought she had to get a code for the no restocking fee like she had to do for the last two days and this morning it automatically did it as it knew what phone. So AT&T did something over night to program the system for returns. My account is already reset and taxes were reimbursed to my checking account.

I also held the V20 in my hand, the dummy phone, and it felt very nice. Wish they had one that worked as that would make my decision to order it or not. But for now I only returned my phone. I really am concerned about the battery life on it. I also don't want to be swapping batteries all the time. I may just go back to an iPhone....ugh.

 

[omgitselaine]

Re: so since all carriers are accepting the return of the note 7....

Thank you.

I didn't realize they had the V20 on display. I'll need to visit one of the AT&T stores in my area since the feel of the hardware is very important to me.

I'm really hoping it's as premium as most reviewers are saying it is !!

 

[nizmoz]

Re: so since all carriers are accepting the return of the note 7....

Thank you.

I didn't realize they had the V20 on display. I'll need to visit one of the AT&T stores in my area since the feel of the hardware is very important to me.

I'm really hoping it's as premium as most reviewers are saying it is !!

That store only had the dummy phone,. The main corp store in my area actually has a real V20. So I am going by there tomorrow. It did feel premium in my hand. Felt very nice.

 

[omgitselaine]

Re: so since all carriers are accepting the return of the note 7....

It did feel premium in my hand. Felt very nice.

 

[stackberry369]

Re: so since all carriers are accepting the return of the note 7....

Yes, that and no expandable memory along with less customization than android and limited apps and of course having to put music ect on via iTunes instead of drag and drop.

Forget the pixel if it does not have an SD card slot.

Will the V20 be getting Android O?

 

[Wiley_11]

Re: so since all carriers are accepting the return of the note 7....

Thank you.

I didn't realize they had the V20 on display. I'll need to visit one of the AT&T stores in my area since the feel of the hardware is very important to me.

I'm really hoping it's as premium as most reviewers are saying it is !!

I played with a V20 this morning at an ATT store. I was very impressed with the screen and feel of the phone. The second screen wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. Defiantly worth checking out IMO.

Sounds like you need to go to a corporate store though to find a working phone.

 

[Mike Dee]

Re: so since all carriers are accepting the return of the note 7....

Will the V20 be getting Android O?

I would think so...... Most phones get one or two OS upgrades. A little premature to start worrying about upgrades.

 

[stackberry369]

Re: so since all carriers are accepting the return of the note 7....

I would think so...... Most phones get one or two OS upgrades. A little premature to start worrying about upgrades.

You think so? Tell that to those who have the moto phones

 

[Mike Dee]

Re: so since all carriers are accepting the return of the note 7....

You think so? Tell that to those who have the moto phones

I have a Moto phone and I got stiffed on an upgrade to Lollipop when Lenovo took over but it did get one upgrade from its original launch. That's one reason I avoid Moto. I doubt that the V20 won't get O and the reason I feel it's too early to worry is that it's not really even out yet. How would anyone be able to answer that?

 

[rushmore]

Re: so since all carriers are accepting the return of the note 7....

Sure, hardware eats up battery life, but that's all highly dependant on software optimization. Nougat at the OS level offers different ways to optimize your hardware which manufactures can tap into to improve battery life. Comparing a pre-production phone that's not completely polished is null & avoid, it only leads to more speculation. We have no idea what's happening in those background processes when those videos were playing. There's no need to rush with the reviews, I'm sure LG will ship out a few proper review models in a week or two.

That's the point. Video streaming is the least subjective process. Software is not going to help the overhead for the device.

 

[Morty2264]

Perhaps. But I wouldn't count Samsung out just yet. They'll likely pull out all the stops for their newest devices to sweep the competition. I think the V20 and Pixel series are the ones to watch right now.

 

[rushmore]

Perhaps. But I wouldn't count Samsung out just yet. They'll likely pull out all the stops for their newest devices to sweep the competition. I think the V20 and Pixel series are the ones to watch right now.

Wish the V20 had hardware display scaling like the Note 7. This would help battery life immensely with any GPU heavy app. Chrome, most games and Maps are a few examples that would benefit.

 

[Adam Frix]

Re: so since all carriers are accepting the return of the note 7....

That's the point. Video streaming is the least subjective process. Software is not going to help the overhead for the device.

YOU'RE missing the point. Nobody cares about a simple video streaming stress test that validates exactly one thing: what everyone expects out of the battery based purely on its power specifications, and how it will rank among other phones with differing battery power.

As Irvine pointed out, that's not how people use the phone--and the OS does have optimizations built into it for how people actually use the phone. Therefore, to talk about the battery and how well it behaves in real life depends on a body of knowledge from real-life users doing real-life things.

And that means getting the phone out there to see how that 3200mah battery behaves in the real world, in real-life situations, inside that optimized operating system. Not simply streaming video. We don't need that test; we already know it's a 3200mah battery, and we know how well it will perform in a streaming video test against, say, a 4000mah battery.

Now, if your real life personal behavior with the phone is to stream video while it's not plugged in, then fine. But that's not what the world does.

And by the way, it's very commonplace nowadays to carry around not only a charger but also an external battery pack. LG gives you another option, that of carrying around one or more charged batteries and swapping them out as needed. Choices are good. Absent a swappable battery, your choices are more limited.

 

[Adam Frix]

Re: so since all carriers are accepting the return of the note 7....

dupe removed

 

[irvine752]

Re: so since all carriers are accepting the return of the note 7....

That's the point. Video streaming is the least subjective process. Software is not going to help the overhead for the device.

Like Adam mentioned above you're still missing the point. Video streaming is not the least subjective process. Whilst your video is running the foreground you could have multiple processes with multiple threads running in the background. When you run these test cases you're completly blind to your environment which is an example of Black Box testing. The V20 in these test cases could have been busy doing something unnecessary or redundant in the background at the time of testing because it's not the final polished product. The few people who got pre-production models of the phone were specifically told not to do an (official or non-official) review for such reasons.

 

[Mooncatt]

Wish the V20 had hardware display scaling like the Note 7. This would help battery life immensely with any GPU heavy app. Chrome, most games and Maps are a few examples that would benefit.

Ever tried scaling down the display resolution on a computer LCD monitor? It's not pretty. LCD's don't handle that well and you'd lose a lot of screen quality by scaling.

 

[natehoy]

Re: so since all carriers are accepting the return of the note 7....

Aren't they the same size?

They are the same size, but the best way to understand the "better screen" bit is to go to a carrier store and look at a Samsung AMOLED screen stacked up against anything else. Some people don't care for the oversaturation, but that can be toned down in software, and quite a lot of people do like a bold, bright screen that really pops, even in full daylight.

Admittedly, burn-in is still a factor in the long term, so in a couple of years an LED screen will still be looking nice while AMOLED will have lost some of its brightness and may show some burn-in artifacts... but on the showroom floor and for the first couple of years, it's really hard to compete with Samsung's AMOLED panels.