The first note I won't buy? (all discussion about lack of microSD and removable battery must go here)

[D13H4RD2L1V3]

Re: The first note I won't buy?

I would really prefer a phone that has a large amount of fast internal storage + large battery that can be removed if you want to and an SD card slot if you want to expand the already large amount of storage you have, if you're like me and have over 60+GB of 1080p videos that for some reason, have 320kbps audio.

To me, that's the perfect phone. So much choice in one phone.

 

[rushmore]

Re: The first note I won't buy?

Check our post counts.

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I said part. Please do not distort my poorly spelled conspiracy theory

 

[Ry]

Re: The first note I won't buy?

When you frequent forums a lot you tend to get the impression that it's the majority but in reality it really isn't. A bit after the S6/Edge release I asked some of my friends who work as sales people at major carriers or Best Buy whether or not the lack of SD or removable battery affected their sales of the phone. All of them told me no. In fact, many of them said the average consumer didn't even know what a microSD was. Most of the buyers bought it because it looked nice or ended up buying an iPhone. It just doesn't seem like the average consumer could care less about microSD or removable batteries as long as the phone works as advertised, looks cool, or is an iphone. That's the sad truth about the average Joe consumer and probably why Samsung decided to remove them.

The problem with looking at sales figures is that those figures are affected by MANY different factors. The fact that people were blaming the lack of removable battery and lack of microSD on lower S6/Edge sales for example. Probably one of the main causes of Samsung's lowered sales was not because of an SD slot or removable battery but most probably because of Apple releasing the iphone 6/6+, and trying to lure iphone people just isn't going to work. Practically every android smartphone vendor didn't meet sales estimates last quarter. Apple beat expectations even though the iphone 6/6+ was released last year and they don't use SD slots or removable batteries.

I agree that Samsung taking the strategy to be more like Apple isn't a good idea or will work out. At the same time though I can understand why they switched strategies. They needed to differentiate themselves better. Not to steal customers away from Apple (since that definitely won't work) but from others in the Android market. Will the Note 5/Edge+ be the one to do so? Probably not because it's basically just a bigger S6. Is it because it doesn't have an SD card or removable battery? Once again probably not. As for me, I do like SD cards and removable batteries so I'll stick with my Note 4 and wait until LG releases the G4 Pro.

TLDR: It's all Apple's fault

IMO, Samsung skyrocketed with the GS3 and Note 2 and everyone was expecting the follow-ups to continue the upward trend.

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[Ricey20]

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IMO, Samsung skyrocketed with the GS3 and Note 2 and everyone was expecting the follow-ups to continue the upward trend.

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Agreed. Inflated investor expectations is probably one of the reasons for Samsung's change. Apple is just starting to get to that problem.

 

[D13H4RD2L1V3]

I'll be damned if I win the Note 5 in the giveaway I've just entered.

Very unlikely, though. My chances of winning are below 1%, as lots of guys have participated.

If I do win one, however, it would be my work phone.

 

[Gary Slatter]

looking for a update for my xperia z2. europe doesnt even get the note option! Removal of sd card is a killer for me, that and the fact the s6+ is not waterproof!

i had a note 1 which i loved before defecting to sony xperias. why does samsung think that anybody who wants a iphone clone doesnt already own one.

 

[monsieurms]

Re: The first note I won't buy?

Samsung isn't stupid. They most likely did studies showing how many people would not buy a note 5 because of the sd card, and found it was acceptably low

Possibly. But keep this in mind. We're not talking here about the entire universe of users. First, let's narrow it down to just Android. And now, let's just talk about (A) Samsung users; and THEN just for (B) a Note line. At each level, those are different users.

I have no proof, either, but I'm willing to bet that that last group as a whole is far more inclined to want high-end features that differentiated Samsung from others---because that's why a lot of us came to Samsung in the first place. To a considerable extent, they are now taking away some of the main reasons for which we came to Samsung. Why should we stay? After all, who told us these things were great things that made Samsung a great company? A: Samsung. Hmmm.

In the overall universe, we're a smaller subset of reality. In Samsung's universe, I suspect this is an important demographic, even if still a minority. Which is to say, you don't have to think that Samsung's sales will collapse to think this will nonetheless have an effect. Given all the pressures that Samsung is under (spotlighted http://www.cnet.com/news/why-samsun...s-premium-galaxy-smartphones/#ftag=CAD590a51e ), they don't have to lose 50% of their sales for this to be meaningful. If they lose 10-15% of sales they could've made--in this marketplace, with what is happening of late, that really matters.

It's hard to measure sales you "could've made," and I don't frankly think we will see the entire consequence of this for at least another year until we see patterns and trends. Lots of people are on contracts. Lots of people don't upgrade every year any more. Let's see what happens when the "6" comes out if they maintain this policy. I know I won't buy it no matter what else it has. I'll keep the 4 or I'll see what LG and Moto are offering.

I also don't assume that some "research" they've done is necessarily the be-all and end-all. How did they do it? What were the parameters? Did they ignore results arrogantly, "well, we're Samsung, if we do this everyone will like it." Did they concentrate on just Note users? I dunno---but it wouldn't be the first time in history that corporations made monumental misjudgments and read the market wrong.

 

[cybertec69]

I will stick with my Note 4.



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[Aquila]

Re: The first note I won't buy?

I said this as the quote of the day 2 years ago today and it seemed appropriate for here in 2015:

8/16/2013 Quote of the Day:


Vocal tech blog commentors are not representative of "most" consumers by any means. Estimate their impact as approximately 1% of the mainstream and you're giving them too much credit. The average consumer is the little old lady calling Best Buy to find out how to get their photos to be printed at the local pharmacy.

 

[monsieurms]

Re: The first note I won't buy?

I said this as the quote of the day 2 years ago today and it seemed appropriate for here in 2015:

8/16/2013 Quote of the Day:
Vocal tech blog commentors are not representative of "most" consumers by any means. Estimate their impact as approximately 1% of the mainstream and you're giving them too much credit. The average consumer is the little old lady calling Best Buy to find out how to get their photos to be printed at the local pharmacy.

Ok, that's a good one. I admit I laughed. I admit it's also true to a considerable extent, as I remind myself in other specialty and geeky fields as well. But you have to define your user groups, as I alluded to in my last post. WE're not talking about the "mainstream" or the "entire universe" of users here. That is, let's take that little old lady. Does she sound like someone who would have bought the Note 4 or 5 in the first place? Is the "mainstream" the same group as people who buy $800 phones and talk like they upgrade them every year? The "whole universe" is not really the same as "Note users." Considering the way Samsung's margins have bled from lower priced competition, Note users are not truly reflective of the "mainstream" as a group. We're not the McDonald's customers, in other words.

 

[Aquila]

Re: The first note I won't buy?

Ok, that's a good one. I admit I laughed. I admit it's also true to a considerable extent, as I remind myself in other specialty and geeky fields as well. But you have to define your user groups, as I alluded to in my last post. WE're not talking about the "mainstream" or the "entire universe" of users here. That is, let's take that little old lady. Does she sound like someone who would have bought the Note 4 or 5 in the first place? Is the "mainstream" the same group as people who buy $800 phones and talk like they upgrade them every year? The "whole universe" is not really the same as "Note users." Considering the way Samsung's margins have bled from lower priced competition, Note users are not truly reflective of the "mainstream" as a group. We're not the McDonald's customers, in other words.

Yup, I'm not arguing against your point - I just saw this come up on my facebook feed as something I posted this day in 2013 and thought it fairly on point for many discussions that we have here. I agree with you that the subset that is interested in the Note has traditionally been a different group of folks than were interested in Moto or iPhones or even the S6 - and I actually think this is exactly what Samsung thought too and now they are trying to grab up the folks that normally wouldn't have considered this line of theirs.

 

[cybertec69]

The Note 5 will sell, just not the numbers that it would have. This is what happened, Samsung thought the Galaxy S6 would be flying off the shelves, which it hasn't, it has sold well but not the numbers that Samsung or the analysts expected "too expensive and less options from it's predecessor", now they are lowering the prices of the S6 hoping to clear up some inventory. The whole premise of the Note 5 and why Samsung went the route of the S6 in design and features "besides the Note stylus", is because Samsung was under the impression that the S6's success "which has not been the case" would also follow for it's Note 5, this Note 5 design was already finalized around the time the S6 went on sale, even before that, these decisions are not made in one month's time, the decision was made close to a year ago, maybe even sooner. Will the Note 5 sell, sure it will, everything shiny and new sells, to an extend. Samsung's margins in the mobile sector have been taking a hit, this early release of the Note 5 just shows they are trying to sell as many units are possible before Apple comes out with their iPhone 6s+. The Note 5 needed a minimum of 4000 milliamp battery, and micro SD expansion slot, if they had done that they probably would not have been able to keep up with the demand. But that's just me, heck what do I know.

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[monsieurms]

The Note 5 will sell, just not the numbers that it would have.

There is some talk now that the Note line itself may be headed for obsolescence---that it is converging too much with S line and there's the Edge line as more of a high-end alternative with a real difference. I guess we'll see. But I wouldn't be completely shocked if we find out that the Note 6 is the last Note.

 

[syspry]

Re: The first note I won't buy?

I can offer proof that I need them. I made no further claims about minorities/majorities. So the burden of proof is entirely on those who make claims. That has been the way it works since Aristoteles' times and is a founding principle of modern science

Since you appear to have adopted a contrary stance to all of those posts, am I to believe you have no opinion on the matter yourself then, absolving you of any responsibility to provide opposing data to their claims? If that's the case and your stance is neutral, and going by your own logic why are you not also taking issue with posters who are claiming otherwise and asking them to support their claims too?

 

[rushmore]

There is some talk now that the Note line itself may be headed for obsolescence---that it is converging too much with S line and there's the Edge line as more of a high-end alternative with a real difference. I guess we'll see. But I wouldn't be completely shocked if we find out that the Note 6 is the last Note.

Multiple tech sites report Samsung is focusing must if their resources on the Edge. One resason is it is harder to mod and use the Edge screen and forces people to use Samsung apps due to proprietary design of Edge display and software integration.

If they are basing it on sales that seems nuts. It did have a little higher demand, but still a fraction of the S6. My guess is that is their direction on differentiation. Desperation?

 

[johnmcd348]

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I came to Samsung, and Android OS, because of the Note2 device. Prior to that, I was a Windows Phone user using an HTC Arrive and the HTC Touch Pro2 prior to that. Before those phones, I carried a separate phone and my (HTC built) Dell Axim x51V and was happy with that combination for nearly 6 years because the Technology that was built then, still couldn't compete with the smartphone technology that was around at the time. It wasn't until 2009 that I came into the smartphone market and progressed quickly through the Windows phones and then in 2012, came over to the Note2 when it first came out.

I'm one of those people who use their phones for the purposes they were built for and look for features I want in a phone. For me, the stylus is invaluable and I look for options in that area with every mobile platform I use. I really don't care that much about what the Tech Writers have to say about the devices, other than what it does or doesn't do.

 

[dsignori]

Multiple tech sites report Samsung is focusing must if their resources on the Edge. One resason is it is harder to mod and use the Edge screen and forces people to use Samsung apps due to proprietary design of Edge display and software integration.

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Hmm. If they are focusing resources on the Edge, I'm not sure I find that to be a likely reason. I'm not sure it gets any more proprietary than the Note S Pen and S Pen software on the Note line.

 

[cybertec69]

I was just at best buy, the Note 4 to me looks better than the Note 5, it just looks more professional, what was Samsung thinking. I told the guy that Samsung is losing touch with reality, I told him I am not interested in jewelry bling when purchasing a smartphone, especially a Note series phone.

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[Ry]

Multiple tech sites report Samsung is focusing must if their resources on the Edge. One resason is it is harder to mod and use the Edge screen and forces people to use Samsung apps due to proprietary design of Edge display and software integration.

If they are basing it on sales that seems nuts. It did have a little higher demand, but still a fraction of the S6. My guess is that is their direction on differentiation. Desperation?

Is there an SDK available to add edge functionality?

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[calicocat2010]

I was just at best buy, the Note 4 to me looks better than the Note 5, it just looks more professional, what was Samsung thinking. I told the guy that Samsung is losing touch with reality, I told him I am not interested in jewelry bling when purchasing a smartphone, especially a Note series phone.

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Ok...well then YOU don't have to get it. Stop trying to sway away others who have a different opinion than you. I saw you on the new AC blogs and man I thought you were a troll also annoying as heck.