The iPhone SE 2020 basically just killed the Pixel 4a and other value flagships...

[vzwuser76]

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I know that many people live near an Apple store. Your previous comment seemed to ignore that not everyone does.
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Ry

Apple's support capability is better than any other OEM's. Not sure what's left to say here about that.
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My contention is that if I don't live near a support center, which again many do not, it's the same whether I send it in to Apple or Google.

 

[L0n3N1nja]

I would take a Samsung A series devices before an iPhone or Pixel but that's just me, I appreciate the extra features.

 

[anon(50597)]

Is it a greater value than getting a decent used Xr for around the same price?

But most people are too scared to buy used, I get it

I’m not sure.
I have an Xr, which is a decent phone, but I can see why some people would want either. It looks like a new, 64gb, Xr costs $599 at Apple so that’s a big difference for a lot of people. What it does give is a lot of choice which is good.

 

[anon(50597)]

Agreed. This is the problem with a android user, hence all this spec talk and comparisons.

I can't lie because it's one of the reasons why I upgrade, I want the latest (specs) even though I know I can't tell the difference and here's a great example. I had the 11 Pro Max, sold it and now using the XR. Honestly, except for the display and batter life I can't tell the difference. Base on MSRP here in Canada, the difference is over $700.

Some I guess just hate the fact that Apple is finally competing Who knows?

I think they have finally woke up. They are the ones that started the > $1000 trend and it’s starting to fall apart. Android has always had affordable phones. Now it’s a new ballgame.

Will it hurt the 4a? Who knows. It sure won’t hurt Apple, that’s for certain.

 

[anon(50597)]

I think so. The SE will probably take better photos than the XR and it will be supported longer. You'll get more value out of the SE IMO. Tough choice either way though.

And if things continue the way they're going right now with masks and face converings, a Touch ID iPhone SE would be easier to use than a Face ID iPhone XR.

That is a great point. One of the things I love about my 3a.

 

[anon(50597)]

Nah, i don't think people are upset or "triggered". By the way, triggered??

There were many articles to link and many different ways to title your thread if what you want is to talk about how good the SE will be. You decided to do it this way and it seems that you agree with the title and main claim. That's fine. Other people, like me, think that it's completely unfounded or even ridiculous, considering the few things that we know and the many that we will only know in a few weeks.

We all can have different opinions, that's all.

The comparison to the 4a will be hard to quantify. Will it be successful? That’s easy, yes it will.

 

[Javier P]

The comparison to the 4a will be hard to quantify. Will it be successful? That’s easy, yes it will.

Agreed, I have no doubt about it.

 

[the_boon]

I'll just drop this here

https://youtu.be/MjuaRtpHl7c

 

[vzwuser76]

I’m not sure.
I have an Xr, which is a decent phone, but I can see why some people would want either. It looks like a new, 64gb, Xr costs $599 at Apple so that’s a big difference for a lot of people. What it does give is a lot of choice which is good.

He said used iPhone Xr's, not new ones. Obviously they will be less than a new one, probably around $400.

 

[bembol]

That was so nice of you to give your P20 Pro to your mom! How is she liking it now?

I know my mom wouldn't have a use for things like gestures, launchers, and all that stuff. She just wants to text, call, use Internet and social media, and take pictures.

Thanks. She said, why didn't you get me this in the first place. j/k lol

Like me, she loves the Twilight color more than the phone. She does try to use the gestures here and there.

 

[bembol]

Hopefully this continues when they unveil the 12.

Don't forget they also gave the fans what they've been asking for with the new 2020 MacBook Air. Besides the usual spec bump, 256GB is standard, new Magic Keyboard and more importantly dropped the price below $1k US again. This is why I bought it.



If it doesn't, what do I care. I'm done upgrading. LOL

 

[anon(50597)]

He said used iPhone Xr's, not new ones. Obviously they will be less than a new one, probably around $400.

I know what he said but why would you compare a used phone to a new phone?

It's obvious you don't like the new phone, that's your preference, but arguing against solid points about it's value is not working.

 

[Ry]

I think they have finally woke up. They are the ones that started the > $1000 trend and it’s starting to fall apart. Android has always had affordable phones. Now it’s a new ballgame.

Will it hurt the 4a? Who knows. It sure won’t hurt Apple, that’s for certain.

or it's a cycle. Four years ago they did their first gen parts bin iPhone SE, basically for the folks that didn't want to move up in size and the folks that don't want to move up in price.

I wish they did it again (the 5S body).

With the second gen it feels like the two biggest reasons they're making this is for the folks that don't want move to Face ID and the folks that don't want to move up in price.

In four years, it wouldn't surprise me if they used an iPhone XR body with iPhone 15 guts as their their third gen SE.

 

[anon(50597)]

or it's a cycle. Four years ago they did their first gen parts bin iPhone SE, basically for the folks that didn't want to move up in size and the folks that don't want to move up in price.

I wish they did it again (the 5S body).

With the second gen it feels like the two biggest reasons they're making this is for the folks that don't want move to Face ID and the folks that don't want to move up in price.

In four years, it wouldn't surprise me if they used an iPhone XR body with iPhone 15 guts as their their third gen SE.

We'll come back in 4 years and see.

 

[Ry]

Nah, i don't think people are upset or "triggered". By the way, triggered??

There were many articles to link and many different ways to title your thread if what you want is to talk about how good the SE will be. You decided to do it this way and it seems that you agree with the title and main claim. That's fine. Other people, like me, think that it's completely unfounded or even ridiculous, considering the few things that we know and the many that we will only know in a few weeks.

We all can have different opinions, that's all.

What metric(s) will be used to compare the two?

 

[Ry]

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I know that many people live near an Apple store. Your previous comment seemed to ignore that not everyone does.
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Ry

Apple's support capability is better than any other OEM's. Not sure what's left to say here about that.
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My contention is that if I don't live near a support center, which again many do not, it's the same whether I send it in to Apple or Google.

lol Tapatalk isn't letting post my full reply.

 

[Ry]

I know that many people live near an Apple store. Your previous comment seemed to ignore that not everyone does.

Apple's support capability is better than any other OEM's. Not sure what's left to say here about that.

I said many features get tied to hardware, not all. It also seems like the most sought after features are only available on newer devices, like they're trying to tempt people to upgrade.

Many? Is that most? And even still, tempting people to upgrade is a good thing right? But having a product that's good enough, while still being properly maintained is also a good thing.

I'm trying to think about what my iPhone XR is missing in iOS 13 that the iPhone 11 has that's not tied to hardware and I'm coming up blank.

Of course you aren't getting a new hardware feature in a software update without having the hardware for it.

But from what I recall, the iPhone 8 wasn't anything special in the battery department.

Does it have to be special? I don't think I claimed the iPhone SE would have amazing battery life. I think it'll be fine for most people.

Perhaps not, but for a lot of people, it makes their phone look dated. Not something particularly encouraging on a newly purchased device. Especially when it's next to a 3 year old Samsung and it still looks older. Even non techies can recognize if something looks old or not.

It's still good enough or else the iPhone 7 and iPhone 8 wouldn't have been in the top ten in global shipments just last year. I think it'll be fine for most people.

A big part of smartphone use for the average consumer is media consumption, watching videos or looking at the pictures you just took. A lot more of a compromise on a display that's an inch smaller than an Android phone with the same physical footprint. LCDs are fine, but I'd argue still not as good as an AMOLED. That's also something even an average Joe can see.

But again, it'll be fine for most people.

I'm not saying the SE inst a decent device, but I also don't think it's the second coming like some here are.

So saying that the SE is a great value over the competition makes it seem like it's the second coming?

That's not at all what I'm trying to say. The $400 pricepoint has (and will have) some great devices.

For me personally, the camera will determine if there's an SE or a 4a in the household in the next month or so.

But for my family and friends, it's going to be tough to not recommend the SE when they ask "I don't know what I want so what should I get?"

As for your next comment, I'm sorry but every time I see someone use TRIGGERED in a response, it fills me with the urge to slap 'em with a freshly caught mackerel. Just sayin'.

I'm seeing the responses I expected to see.

 

[Javier P]

What metric(s) will be used to compare the two?

What? Metrics? What does it have to do with my post that you quoted?

 

[Ry]

What? Metrics? What does it have to do with my post that you quoted?

What's going to determine that the claim "The iPhone SE 2020 basically just killed the Pixel 4a and other value flagships" (again, the AC article title) was unfounded?

 

[vzwuser76]

Apple's support capability is better than any other OEM's. Not sure what's left to say here about that.



Many? Is that most? And even still, tempting people to upgrade is a good thing right? But having a product that's good enough, while still being properly maintained is also a good thing.

I'm trying to think about what my iPhone XR is missing in iOS 13 that the iPhone 11 has that's not tied to hardware and I'm coming up blank.

Of course you aren't getting a new hardware feature in a software update without having the hardware for it.



Does it have to be special? I don't think I claimed the iPhone SE would have amazing battery life. I think it'll be fine for most people.



It's still good enough or else the iPhone 7 and iPhone 8 wouldn't have been in the top ten in global shipments just last year. I think it'll be fine for most people.



But again, it'll be fine for most people.



So saying that the SE is a great value over the competition makes it seem like it's the second coming?

That's not at all what I'm trying to say. The $400 pricepoint has (and will have) some great devices.

For me personally, the camera will determine if there's an SE or a 4a in the household in the next month or so.

But for my family and friends, it's going to be tough to not recommend the SE when they ask "I don't know what I want so what should I get?"



I'm seeing the responses I expected to see.

While I don't recall specifics, I do remember people complaining in the past about some features that should've been included but weren't and the explanation was hardware. However later people managed to port the feature and it worked fine.

By anything special I meant not very good.

I'd reckon the reason they're selling well globally is because being as old as they are they're a lot cheaper than current models, which makes them more affordable for countries where people make less.

You keep saying most people. Neither you or I can say with any certainty how most people feel.

No, I'm talking about some saying (and not necessarily just here but in other comments sections) that that's it for the midranges market, Apple's got it sewn up. It seems ridiculous to me that people seem to think that price is the only reason everyone doesn't have an iPhone. For me, price is way down the line of reasons I don't use Apple products.

I understand that it might be easier to recommend to family and friends with features like FaceTime and iMessage. I've got some cousins who've been after me to pick up an iPad (if not an iPhone) so their Dad and mine (98 & 90 years old respectively) can FaceTime. Nevermind that it seems ridiculous for me to spend hundreds of dollars to do that when they could spend a few bucks and get the Duo app. Also it probably doesn't help that my Dad says he has no desire to video chat.