The mobile OS war is over

[JeffDenver]

Don't want to continue off topic there were interface things I didn't care for.

All of those things can be circumvented. Easily and for free.

 

[pappy53]

Why is Apple limiting itself to only two models then, if more models would give them more marketshare?


I agree. But why should that matter?


I think it is even more remarkable that Android started from nothing and not only overcame Apple's enormous and entrenched lead, but went on to dominate the entire market. Apple had lots of advantages; they had massive funding, endless advertising, massive name recognition, an established and loyal user base, and Android still beat them.

And they did it with functionality alone. That is the only advantage Android had.

Now Android leads in stability as well. http://www.phonearena.com/news/Android-4.x-is-more-than-twice-as-stable-as-iOS-7.1_id54459#3-

That story is referring to apps, not the OS.

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[Haalcyon]

All of those things can be circumvented. Easily and for free.

Possibly, but why have to circumvent them when I can just buy something else that I prefer. After over 2 months with iOS I'm still not missing out on anything. If I were I felt I was suffering I certainly wouldn't be for long. No reason to. Let's look at my options in the ~ 4" screen size range. I see nothing that I would prefer more than my current choices. Moving over to tablets, I've had a bunch and my iPads are preferred to the Asus', Samsungs, Nexus', and Sonys I've had. I'm not trying to convert anyone, ...couldn't care less what someone else likes or uses. Really. The only reason I'm responding at all now is that I also don't think Android devices are better and when you keep posting or insinuating or implying that they just are somehow I express my experiences and opinions in response to yours.

Jeff, nearly daily you state that you are dispelling myths that Apple lovers are coming here spewing. 1) I don't think that such statements and myths would even be tolerated by those that hold the keys to the kingdom of this forum. 2) I haven't seen anyone state these myths you speak of that you feel the need to try and dispell. Who is stating them? I'm certainly not and have not. I don't even believe Pappy53 is doing that and he's willing spend time looking up specs and what not.

Who is HERE stating that is Apple is somehow better than Android that you're addressing? I write all of that because you've said you're dispelling some myths...from who?


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[Evilguppy]

I find IOS7 to be massively craptastic, which is exactly why I switched to Android. And I know I'm not the only one.

 

[Haalcyon]

I find IOS7 to be massively craptastic, which is exactly why I switched to Android. And I know I'm not the only one.

You certainly are not alone there. I know that for many its an either-or argument, either one platform or the other. iOS, without jailbreaking, offers a lot less ways to personalize your phone than Android, as we all know. Now, with iOS 7.1 around we've lost the jailbreak and who knows when those that do want it will get it back.
If you want a phablet an iPhone is NOT gonna be the device for you.

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[JeffDenver]

That story is referring to apps, not the OS.

So we have determined that apps crash less on Android than on iOS.

 

[pappy53]

I find IOS7 to be massively craptastic, which is exactly why I switched to Android. And I know I'm not the only one.

According to articles that I have read, more people are switching from Android to iOS than vice-versa. I wonder what the reason is?

 

[Evilguppy]

According to articles that I have read, more people are switching from Android to iOS than vice-versa. I wonder what the reason is?

LOL I've heard exactly the opposite!

 

[Sanjay Chandra]

According to articles that I have read, more people are switching from Android to iOS than vice-versa. I wonder what the reason is?

Growth rate of Android is more in many countries compared to iOS (Don't know about US)

 

[JeffDenver]

Possibly, but why have to circumvent them when I can just buy something else that I prefer.

Because of the under-the-hood enhancements, which are significant.

In particular, I have found Windows 8 to be significantly better at driver management and hardware detection. Legacy support for older programs is also a lot better. The UI is also way more fluid than Windows 7 or Vista, even in desktop mode.

After over 2 months with iOS I'm still not missing out on anything.

Not sure what iOS has to do with anything...I was talking about Windows 8. Thats a desktop OS.

Jeff, nearly daily you state that you are dispelling myths that Apple lovers are coming here spewing.

And they have been for years. Things that everyone has just taken for granted as facts.

Thats why these threads exist...because Apple defenders still make the same assumptions. If they didn't, there would be no argument and no need for the thread.

I haven't seen anyone state these myths you speak of that you feel the need to try and dispell.

Not after the fact. They just attempt to move the goalposts.

Which is fine. The myth is still dispelled.

Who is stating them?

Virtually everyone. Stability is a big one...that is a very common thing for Apple people to claim. That iOS is inherently more stable and that Android crashes all the time.

I'm certainly not and have not. I don't even believe Pappy53 is doing that and he's willing spend time looking up specs and what not.

Great, if we are in agreement, then there is nothing to argue about, right?

But not all my responses are directed at you. If someone makes a claim I think is inaccurate, I am going to comment on it.

 

[Haalcyon]

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[Vsweety]

According to articles that I have read, more people are switching from Android to iOS than vice-versa. I wonder what the reason is?

Talk is cheap (and pure BS – excuse me: PR – in this case). The figures demonstrate the exact opposite.

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[JeffDenver]

I still believe a lot of that has to do with price.

Which price point does Apple not hit? I asked you that in another thread and you did not answer.

You can get an iPhone for the same price as a Moto G.

 

[Haalcyon]

Which price point does Apple not hit? I asked you that in another thread and you did not answer.

Does Apple offer an unsubsidized phone for $200-$250? I know you can get at least an S3 Mini for that because I had one.


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[pappy53]

Growth rate of Android is more in many countries compared to iOS (Don't know about US)

I should have clarified that the reference is to U.S.buyers.

 

[JeffDenver]

Does Apple offer an unsubsidized phone for $200-$250?

Even lower:

4 (CDMA) - $200 - Amazon.com: Apple iPhone 4 8GB (Black) - Verizon: Cell Phones & Accessories
4 (GSM) - $242 - Amazon.com: Apple iPhone 4 8GB (Black) - AT&T: Cell Phones & Accessories
3GS - $140 - Amazon.com: Apple iPhone 3GS 8GB (Black) - AT&T: Cell Phones & Accessories

 

[pappy53]

Talk is cheap (and pure BS – excuse me: PR – in this case). The figures demonstrate the exact opposite.

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2 year-old graph?

 

[JeffDenver]

I should have clarified that the reference is to U.S.buyers.

Yeah, the goalposts needed some adjusting.

 

[pappy53]

Even lower:

4 (CDMA) - $200 - Amazon.com: Apple iPhone 4 8GB (Black) - Verizon: Cell Phones & Accessories
4 (GSM) - $242 - Amazon.com: Apple iPhone 4 8GB (Black) - AT&T: Cell Phones & Accessories
3GS - $140 - Amazon.com: Apple iPhone 3GS 8GB (Black) - AT&T: Cell Phones & Accessories

So, you're going to compare 4 and 5 year-old iPhones to new Androids. Even I would choose Android in that situation.

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Yeah, the goalposts needed some adjusting.

I didn't move them, just forgot to post it.

 

[Haalcyon]

Even lower:

4 (CDMA) - $200 - Amazon.com: Apple iPhone 4 8GB (Black) - Verizon: Cell Phones & Accessories
4 (GSM) - $242 - Amazon.com: Apple iPhone 4 8GB (Black) - AT&T: Cell Phones & Accessories
3GS - $140 - Amazon.com: Apple iPhone 3GS 8GB (Black) - AT&T: Cell Phones & Accessories

Those are really undesirable to me. All those phones are gonna run iOS 7 like poopoo. Those would give anyone a poor impression of iOS 7 IMO. I know, my wife still has a 4. ...BUT you're technically correct, they're in the price range I stated and some may be more than satisfied with their performance, but not I. ...I must be one of those spoiled Apple users, I have no problem at all with being thought of that way if it means an old phone that can barely run the current OS is undesirable to me.


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