Well, I would definitely say Apple Maps is a very high profile example of Apple using their own users as beta testers.
It must have been especially annoying considering that Apple still forced people to use it as their default.
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It must have been especially annoying considering that Apple still forced people to use it as their default.
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For you folks referring to maps... did you actually use them, or are you just going by the news blog troll's comments. Oddly enough, I didn't have a problem with them.
Truth is, if you really feel Google rolls out a more finished product than Apple, you don't know either very well.
I could list all of Google half finished products by name, but you already know them as well as I do (if you really follow Android). Clearly it is Google's nature to throw half cooked pasta against the wall to see if it will stick, just as it is to kill it off if it doesn't. It isn't a conclusion as to which ecosystem is better, merely a statement of fact that they are different.
Truth is, if you really feel Google rolls out a more finished product than Apple, you don't know either very well.
I could list all of Google half finished products by name, but you already know them as well as I do (if you really follow Android). Clearly it is Google's nature to throw half cooked pasta against the wall to see if it will stick, just as it is to kill it off if it doesn't. It isn't a conclusion as to which ecosystem is better, merely a statement of fact that they are different.
I have and it has greatly improved over the year for me and my country. Have you ever used it? No.
How was OSX Mavericks 6 months early? wtf does that comment even mean? It was hardly buggy and was way better then the messes that were Lion and Mountain lion.
Do you know how long it took Google to perfect their maps? It's ridiculous what you expect when Apple maps has been around for 1 year and Google maps 5+ years.
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As an Apple developer since 1998, I forgive them nothing. There is plenty of blood, sweat, tears, and lost tooth enamel because of some of their decisions. But if you really want to compare development environments and operating systems, there is still no comparison. Hopefully that will change one day, but it won't be soon (trust me).
It is nice to see ART as a start though.
What does that have to do with anything? The fact remains that Apple used their users as beta testers for their Maps service. It was literally a captive audience, because they had no other options for a default service.
It's ridiculous to expect Apple not to make beta products live? Really?
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How was it Google's fault?
FYI is irrelevant in this context; Apple is the one claiming that it's products work better. That this is the reason you are paying a premium and the reason you do not get as many options on their platform.
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Yes.
I still know a few people with iPhones.
Google is not making the claim that their products are so much better. "It just works" is an Apple slogan. Not google.
People who say Apple apps work so flawlessly seem to have a very short term memory. Apple is far from perfect in this regard. Maps was a very high profile example of that.
Yes that is odd. And yes, I've used Apple Maps on other people's phones. My boss and a close friend, both long time iPhone users, both still to this day regularly complain about how bad Apple Maps is compared to Google maps.
Thanks for the strawman argument. The truth is that Apple regularly releases sub par products and even more regularly breaks things with their updates and still manages to maintain the falsehood of "it just works" when it clearly just doesn't. And to boot, they charge a premium for it.
I don't have a problem if iOS works out better for you. You should use it. But the argument that iOS is an objectively superior product to Android has no basis in reality.
Oh? Enlighten us. I'll name a few half finished products by Apple:
Apple Maps.
iOS sharing: to this day iOS can't let content be shared through any sharing app installed without Apple having to build it in. In Android, you can share using whatever app you want from within whatever other app you want. Compares to Android, iOS sharing options are primitive.
iOS default apps: Apple still won't let users choose a preferred app for any given function. This a flaw by design, but it is still a flaw.
Okay, your turn to name Google's half baked products not clearly labeled 'beta'.
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Ha. I'm not expecting any form of unbias from you. I probably shouldn't even have replied to you. Looks like I'll have to use the ignore list after all...
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I wouldn't be so hasty if I were you. Are you aware that Google has a published list of it's 9 Principles of Innovation? I suggest you look up #5 of their most up to date version of that
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Too bad this isn't relevant to the original question. The accusation was that Apple *doesn't* release half baked products while Google does. That you have a million and two justification for why a given Apple product was half baked, even if excellent justifications, doesn't change the fact that the product was half-baked.
But if we're going to go into that, at the time Apple released Apple Maps, they still had a year left on their contract with Google Maps. Further, Apple did so because they did not want to keep paying Google for a superior product, and because Google wouldn't give the baked-in iOS app turn-by-turn navigation. Both companies acted in their financial self interest, and that's what corporations do. But you can't use that as an excuse for a poor product. Just as "Apple has been making cameras for a long time" (from the days of iSight to today's top of the line iPhone cameras) relative to Google's Nexus projects devices with cameras which have been around for far shorter time is not a good excuse for Google to put out average camera, neither is Google's experience with Maps a good excuse for Apple to screw up its own Maps product.
It's Google's fault that Apple doesn't allow the user to pick their own default app for a given function on iOS? Well, that's rich, especially given this Apple attitude of "We know best" exist not just in Maps, but for every single component/app for iOS that Apple bundles with it. You cannot pick a default messaging app, or a default music app, or even replace Apple's keyboard with one you prefer. But I'm sure all of this is somehow Google's fault.
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For the record... I don't use iOS daily, but I think I am at least objective about where it excels over Android, and where it does not.
iOS is by its nature, is a heavily sandboxed environment. Most of what you mention is by design, not unfinished.
As far as what is unfinished with Google:
Currently... Hangouts, Voice, Google TV, Bluedroid, Chromecast to name but a few.
Historically... Just about every product Google has ever introduced. They all start out partially implemented, and either improve or go away. If you haven't noticed this you're simply not paying attention.
I'm not sure what that has to do with anything?.Are you saying that with Apple Maps, Apple merely followed Google's 5th principle of innovation? If that is what you are saying, then you just validated the point that Apple used its users as "beta testers." The point being debated is whether or not Apple does that. You just confirmed it does. Thanks.
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