Why a 16MP camera is better than 12MP

Well, this post is going to be a long one. So sit back, relax and grab a cuppa because you're about to learn something you probably haven't seen before.

I can understand why one would think a camera with a higher megapixel count would do better than a lower megapixel count. That's because megapixels denote a camera's resolution, with a megapixel being approximately 1 million pixels. It's not hard to know that in theory, a camera with a resolution of 21 million pixels will resolve more detail than a camera with 12 million pixels. It's part of the reason why people seem to think 21MP is undoubtedly better than 12MP.

However, this is a basic fundamental judgement error people often make. Cameras are not always about one parameter (in this case, resolution or megapixel count). Instead, they're more about multiple factors such as;
  • Lens quality: The quality of the lens denotes how sharp an image could be, especially around corners, and good quality lenses will have less artifacts such as fringing and chromatic aberrations.
  • Sensor size: The actual size of the camera's image sensor.
  • Pixel size: The actual size of each individual photodiode. This relates to MP count and sensor size
  • DSP: Known as a digital signal processor, this is the stuff that makes the automatic wizardry in your camera work.
  • Processing: How a camera processes a RAW file from the sensor into a compressed JPG matters since techniques differ from manufacturer to manufacturer.
  • Aperture f-stop: Denotes how big an aperture is in relation to a camera's focal length. Do note that an aperture of f/1.8 is not universally similar since it differs in relation to the focal length of a camera.
  • Stabilization: Helps stabilize a shot in order to reduce blurriness or increase exposure times in non-ideal lighting environments. Can either be optical or digital.
These aren't everything that makes a camera, but they're among the most critical.

Now, back to this.


Let's take the V30's 16MP main camera and dissect it for a bit.

The V30's main camera sensor is an Exmor IMX351, a backside-illuminated CMOS image sensor with an effective resolution of approximately 16MP on a 4:3 aspect ratio. On paper, that sounds fine, but here's the kicker. The sensor size is among the smallest on any flagship phone, at a mere 1/3.1", and as a result, the sensor size is probably the smallest, at 1 micron. For comparison, the iPhone X is around 1.22 microns, the Huawei Mate10 is 1.25 microns on its main camera, and the Pixel 2 XL, Galaxy Note8, HTC U11 and a Moto G5+ pack 1.4 micron pixels and have the largest sensors in this lot (1/2.6" vs 1/2.9" on the Huawei, 1/3" on the iPhone and 1/3.1" on the V30).

At first glance, that doesn't seem too big right? Like what does pixel and sensor size have to do? Well, quite a lot actually, moreso than megapixels.

The job of a photodiode is to capture light and resolve that light info into digital data that can be processed by the DSP into a suitable JPEG (although one can skip the JPEG processing if one wants to edit the RAW files in Lightroom). Here's where the problem lies. Smaller photodiodes are less capable of sensing light, and when they're packed so closely together, there is a tendency for them to "bounce around" or crosstalk, sometimes causing patches of weird color noise that you see in some RAW shots taken in very low light. While this problem isn't as noticeable in daylight, the smaller photodiode size also means they're more likely to be "flooded" with patches of higher exposures in contrast to lower ones. Which is why you sometimes see blowouts in highlights, mainly due to the photodiodes' limited ability to resolve detail. It also bears mentioning that because they're less capable of sensing light, the ISO would have to be jacked up as well, increasing luminance noise.

So in your particular case, I'd wager that the 16MP sensor wouldn't immediately be a clear victor, mostly because the noise-reduction has to work extra hard to curb some of the increased noise levels due to the smaller photodiodes caused by a combination of a higher resolution on a smaller sensor. The f/1.6 aperture can help but it serves more to balance out the drawbacks. If anything, the output probably won't be much different from that produced by a U11 or Note8.

Reason why most of the OEMs seem to have stuck with 12MP is because on the limited size on phone sensors, 12MP offers a good balance of detail, noise, dynamic range and luminance. It's also why companies have stopped chasing for more pixels and have instead looked to either dual-camera solutions or increasingly sophisticated post-processing techniques via computational means, with a famous example being Google's HDR+, popularized by the 2016 Pixels and recently made their way onto more phones with the help of XDA.

It's also worth noting that this isn't a problem on actual cameras due to their actual size. They pack massive sensors, so it is possible to cram in a ton of pixels without compromising on the actual shot. I'm not kidding when I say a Sony Alpha a7R Mark III is better at actual photo output than a Pixel 2 XL almost solely due to its sensor since it is bigger, has a higher resolution all while packing in significantly larger pixels. Phone cameras don't share this luxury due to limited space, so it's always a balancing act.

TL;DR version: MP doesn't matter as much now. That 16MP moon shot probably wouldn't look much different on a Pixel 2 XL.
I am particularly impressed with your knowledge of the sensors used on these phones. How do you track down that information? I've seen you post specifics about camera sensors in multiple posts so I usually trust your information.
 
I am particularly impressed with your knowledge of the sensors used on these phones. How do you track down that information? I've seen you post specifics about camera sensors in multiple posts so I usually trust your information.

It's what we do.
 
What he's doing wrong is assuming that more MP = better camera and then allowing anecdotal preconceptions to cloud any sort of objective understanding of the effectiveness of various photography strategies in mobile devices. It's confirmation bias to the extreme, which includes the fact that there is no actual factual basis for the bias to exist and there is no external evidence that actually supports any of the pre-determined conclusions. Flat out, MP and quality of images, INCLUDING ZOOM/CROP, have less to do with MP than with almost every other major category of image quality differentiation.

I never said it's technically better, just only the fact that larger megapixels gives you an advantage over 12MP in terms of sharpness of distant objects from far away. Text especially can be readable whereas a 12MP would only show a blurry text. I have tested it before with a Galaxy S7 and S8 compared to the V20 and indeed when you zoom/crop you can see the difference. It matters to me because I crop my pictures sometimes on Instagram and or view it on a large display like my laptop and it shows. Also, in situations like driving in a vehicle, you can capture license plates from distant cars more easily, a 12MP is limited in that sense and cannot capture text from further distances.

Of course the S8 produces much better photos than the V20.. however the V20 and V30 with the 16MP has some pros with it such as more details when zooming/cropping. Personally it's a preference and I prefer the higher megapixels over beautiful shots.
 
Does anyone with a V20 and Galaxy S8 want to do a test? Shoot an object far away and then crop it. Again, I uploaded the pictures before and everyone said it was fake.

I found it on my computer. Here it is:

V20
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S8
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Who exactly crops pictures like this you ask? I do, especially when taking pictures of nature and the outdoors... I pay attention to small details and sharpness. These photos were zoomed in and cropped, not altered in any way.
 
Both show quite a bit of processing artifacts... What you see isn't real. I'm a big proponent of realism in photography... And if that means a softer image with a bit more noise, so be it. Both pictures show a lot of clobbered detail.
 
Does anyone with a V20 and Galaxy S8 want to do a test? Shoot an object far away and then crop it. Again, I uploaded the pictures before and everyone said it was fake.

I found it on my computer. Here it is:

V20
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S8
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Who exactly crops pictures like this you ask? I do, especially when taking pictures of nature and the outdoors... I pay attention to small details and sharpness. These photos were zoomed in and cropped, not altered in any way.
I can read both.. and both look like crap.
 
So what has been the best phone camera to date? Is it all just perception, or is there an out and out winner? I hear so many differing views, it gets frustrating
 
So what has been the best phone camera to date? Is it all just perception, or is there an out and out winner? I hear so many differing views, it gets frustrating
It varies from person to person. There is no one camera being the best for all.
 
It varies from person to person. There is no one camera being the best for all.
And most flagship cameras are so close in abilities that it doesn't matter as much anymore. For example, I'm big on photography, but I'm planning to stick with my V20 a while because the photos are great even if newer phones are better on paper, and it has all the features I want. There isn't anything out there with a camera so much better that I'm willing to sacrifice 4 different features to get (removable battery, IR blaster, metal body, and flat LCD screen).
 
And most flagship cameras are so close in abilities that it doesn't matter as much anymore. For example, I'm big on photography, but I'm planning to stick with my V20 a while because the photos are great even if newer phones are better on paper, and it has all the features I want. There isn't anything out there with a camera so much better that I'm willing to sacrifice 4 different features to get (removable battery, IR blaster, metal body, and flat LCD screen).

They are more than just better on paper. LG's saving grace is its manual mode, however most people like to shoot auto and LG just can't cut it there. Of course if you use the Pixel ports that helps.
 
Does anyone with a V20 and Galaxy S8 want to do a test? Shoot an object far away and then crop it. Again, I uploaded the pictures before and everyone said it was fake.

I found it on my computer. Here it is:

V20
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Who exactly crops pictures like this you ask? I do, especially when taking pictures of nature and the outdoors... I pay attention to small details and sharpness. These photos were zoomed in and cropped, not altered in any way.

Bad comparison to make your point.
 
I am particularly impressed with your knowledge of the sensors used on these phones. How do you track down that information? I've seen you post specifics about camera sensors in multiple posts so I usually trust your information.
Spending some time on Google and reading some photography forums go a long way.
 
It varies from person to person. There is no one camera being the best for all.

I'm sharing 1 reason why it's better.. sharpness when zooming/cropping. I'm no way saying it's better overall. For some people like me, it matters because I take outdoor photos of trees and such so the details matter.
 
And most flagship cameras are so close in abilities that it doesn't matter as much anymore. For example, I'm big on photography, but I'm planning to stick with my V20 a while because the photos are great even if newer phones are better on paper, and it has all the features I want. There isn't anything out there with a camera so much better that I'm willing to sacrifice 4 different features to get (removable battery, IR blaster, metal body, and flat LCD screen).

Exactly, today's smartphones all take very good pictures. It does the job.. the V20 adds a little more with extra features besides having a good camera.

My point is I personally prefer the 16MP on my V20 versus my previous Galaxy S7 which was a disappointment to be due to the loss of detail in certain situations (cropping someone's face in a group photo picture). There Galaxy S7 did take good pictures but I felt like it was a letdown after coming from the Galaxy S6 16MP.
 
I'm sharing 1 reason why it's better.. sharpness when zooming/cropping. I'm no way saying it's better overall. For some people like me, it matters because I take outdoor photos of trees and such so the details matter.
They both look like absolute crap to me... sorry lol.

Until you can show an example of how one just is so much better I simply can't agree or believe. If that was your best example then.. just wow.
 
They both look like absolute crap to me... sorry lol.

Until you can show an example of how one just is so much better I simply can't agree or believe. If that was your best example then.. just wow.

I'll see if I can get my hands on a S7 or S8 and test it again.