Why can't we get top specs in a normal Size???

[RicanMedic78]

It still rains true that smaller means advancement; whether its chipsets, tvs, electronics, etc. That's why its odd that in a world where smaller and efficient is progress, only in the android community is it getting bigger and bigger.

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[nrm5110]

I don't think they should make anything at the dime of a hat. I d however think that looking at hardware from an Apple perspective can potentially be a real hit in the Android community. With the popularity of Apple hardware and Google software, i dream of a device that is the size and quality of iphone, in a jell bean platform with top end specs that rival the cream of the crop.

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And that's your dream but my guess is they don't see it as profitable especially since it directly competes with iPhone in its own territory which all those companies know fighting apple in its own market demographic isn't going to be easy it would require something more than just slapping android on it like these guys do but a much tighter integration something no oem has ever done a tight smooth perfectly integrated hardware software collision ( personally I would love to see that part) if they don't change the game they won't win

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[RicanMedic78]

So why can't they just be wrong? Companies have been wrong before. And as customers, we can only say what we think will sound impressive. So ask u, what so unimpressive about an iphone like device on android?

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[nrm5110]

So why can't they just be wrong? Companies have been wrong before.

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Because in the smartphone battle being wrong ends you up like LG, Sony, HTC ( now), there but fighting to reclaim tiny scraps of sales they can pull in.

LG how many decent phones have they sold.
Sony always very well done software sub par hardware that doesn't meld well
HTC made their goof ups and now trying to dig their way out

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[shady28]

Well my point was just that either size impacts cost or the quality of the components do. Due to the fact that we have lots of smaller devices that are lower cost then it would appear smaller doesn't mean more expensive. And testing is done by all manufacturers and carriers, so I'm not sure why an Apple phone somehow costs so much more. The case is nice and all but the logic escapes me.

Better and newer parts cost more. Period.

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So are you saying that if you spec out a 4" 1024x768 IPS display for your phone, it will cost the same as a a 4.7" 1024x768 display?

Another example. Lets say you decide to build and sell an Arduino. You can either :

1 - use the reference spec, and make a generic Arduino.

2 - redesign the logic board layout, maybe for more access to IO or to make it more compact, or for a specific application.

3 - Add more features via additional chips for IO - combined with #2. This requires testing and coding well beyond #2.

4 - design your own chip to integrate features you want


Anyone with moderate means can do #1. An individual with time and skill can do #2 and #3.

You need major cash, expensive tools, and a team to do #4.

So do you still think design has no cost?


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[cyanogen-man]

Thebsadbtruth the battery a small battery with a quad core you want all day or 4 hour battery life? The higher Res the screen the more battery life it sucks. Mostlikly why apple hasn't went with a quad core chip in the iPhone the battery will be too small maybe with an I crap 5 shell maybe but bottom line its going to suck the out of the battery

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[nrm5110]

Thebsadbtruth the battery a small battery with a quad core you want all day or 4 hour battery life? The higher Res the screen the more battery life it sucks. Mostlikly why apple hasn't went with a quad core chip in the iPhone the battery will be too small maybe with an I crap 5 shell maybe but bottom line its going to suck the out of the battery

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Depends on how the processor operates logically it should consume less power as all 4 cores should attack instructions and complete them faster then winding down and it should only run the cores needed for operation. That's the theory anyway but also it depends on how well the instruction set for the cpu is written and how the kernel is set up. If you feel I'm wrong I would love to hear it but this is what I've read as I don't own a quad core device I have no real world experience of course.

Edit: also bro if you ever want help with aosp source and building ask I've built a bit for myself lol

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[badbrad17]

So are you saying that if you spec out a 4" 1024x768 IPS display for your phone, it will cost the same as a a 4.7" 1024x768 display?

Another example. Lets say you decide to build and sell an Arduino. You can either :

1 - use the reference spec, and make a generic Arduino.

2 - redesign the logic board layout, maybe for more access to IO or to make it more compact, or for a specific application.

3 - Add more features via additional chips for IO - combined with #2. This requires testing and coding well beyond #2.

4 - design your own chip to integrate features you want


Anyone with moderate means can do #1. An individual with time and skill can do #2 and #3.

You need major cash, expensive tools, and a team to do #4.

So do you still think design has no cost?


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Okay now I finally understand what you meant. I knew there was some wires being crossed. You were talking about the new chip design etc. Okay makes total sense now. And... Ironically I agree with you:banghead:

I guess that's a number of minutes that we will never get back. Lol.

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[badbrad17]

Or in Japan water resistant is popular lol. Again I have no issues with manufacturing a smaller high end phone my quarrel is with people feeling this should be done at the drop of a hat and thinking that it won't hurt these companies in some way if they make x amount and it doesn't sell. They think this phone is in high demand in the ANDROID world when obviously it's not a giant market where these oem's see piles and piles of cash if it was trust me they would be on it like a fat kid on a cupcake filled with bacon

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Love the cupcake bacon reference. You had me at bacon. Lol.

I agree. The market right now is about bigger. Even Apple people do want bigger but have no options. I would like to do a survey with apple users on imore to see if they would want a 4.5+ inch iphone. That would be the real truth. Maybe it's been done.

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[badbrad17]

So why can't they just be wrong? Companies have been wrong before. And as customers, we can only say what we think will sound impressive. So ask u, what so unimpressive about an iphone like device on android?

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I really think that there is one problem with this logic. Android moves much faster than Apple in terms of releases etc. So what you are asking for is available for you. You just aren't happy that it is at the top of the ladder. In 6 months there very well may be a 4in phone that has the same specs as the sgs3. But by that time there will be 5 more larger devices with even better specs. Yet the smaller Android phone will still rival the iPhone as the One S rivals the 4s in many ways.

Alas we may never end the debate. I do appreciate your passion though

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[nrm5110]

Love the cupcake bacon reference. You had me at bacon. Lol.

I agree. The market right now is about bigger. Even Apple people do want bigger but have no options. I would like to do a survey with apple users on imore to see if they would want a 4.5+ inch iphone. That would be the real truth. Maybe it's been done.

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Issue is common consumers ones who don't care about those forums or these for that matter who only buy and use no research just consumerism as that's a good 95% of your buyers we as tech minded individuals are a minority.

Worldwide there's what just recently 1,000,000 people on this site and roughly 4 to 5 million on xda with I'm sure plenty of crossovers that's a decent number but a drop in the hat compared to the number of actual smartphone owners get what I'm saying

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[RicanMedic78]

Love the cupcake bacon reference. You had me at bacon. Lol.

I agree. The market right now is about bigger. Even Apple people do want bigger but have no options. I would like to do a survey with apple users on imore to see if they would want a 4.5+ inch iphone. That would be the real truth. Maybe it's been done.

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You think that just because iphone fans wanted a bigger screen than the tiny 3.5 they had, that they are now desiring 4.5+?? Don't you think that's a bit of a leap there??? Just becaus apple needed to go bigger, doesn't mean its as big as u could go! Apple found balance in 4inchs and personally, I think its the right balance... I would even go as far at 4.3 if i had to in a thin frame. But you're using Apple's modest move up to justify your personal view on extreme lol

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[nrm5110]

You think that just because iphone fans wanted a bigger screen than the tiny 3.5 they had, that they are now desiring 4.5+?? Don't you think that's a bit of a leap there??? Just becaus apple needed to go bigger, doesn't mean its as big as u could go! Apple found balance in 4inchs and personally, I think its the right balance... I would even go as far at 4.3 if i had to in a thin frame. But you're using Apple's modest move up to justify your personal view on extreme lol

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Half an inch is hardly modest as far as increases go son lol not that I'm arguing I'm sure many people are happy but are you sure there aren't many wanting biggerlike I said before man you don't know just like I don't you think it's perfect I respectfully disagree so right there your torn 50/50 gotta get some numbers bro

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[RicanMedic78]

Half an inch is hardly modest as far as increases go son lol not that I'm arguing I'm sure many people are happy but are you sure there aren't many wanting biggerlike I said before man you don't know just like I don't you think it's perfect I respectfully disagree so right there your torn 50/50 gotta get some numbers bro

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Proof: iphone currently 4in, selling more than any handset in history. Fans can go elsewhere but don't.

Speculation: iphone fans want more than 4in. Since don't have one, we can only go by "what is!" and again, refer to point above.

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[nrm5110]

Proof: iphone currently 4in, selling more than any handset in history. Fans can go elsewhere but don't.

Speculation: iphone fans want more than 4in. Since don't have one, we can only go by "what is!" and again, refer to point above.

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Poof again that's not the ONLY REASON THEY BUY THE PHONE HOW DENSE ARE YOU how many times do we need to tell you that take the hint that's a terrible argument

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[RicanMedic78]

Personal attacks? Tis tis!

But I'll answer u as i did before when u chose not to listen. Ecosystem is a factor as well (i did say this before). Consumers still choose iphone and accept screen size. How much or how little it is ecosystem verse size and design, no one will ever know unless you know of an accurate poll. Again, all we can say right now is that there "is" a phone with a popular design and a 4in screen that "is" the most popular phone in history.

Instead of trying to pick that apart with a poll that does not exist, maybe you should just accept that at face value and concede that you have absolutely no evidence that the majority of iphone fans want a 4.5in screen or above.

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[nrm5110]

Personal attacks? Tis tis!

But I'll answer u as i did before when u chose not to listen. Ecosystem is a factor as well (i did say this before). Consumers still choose iphone and accept screen size. How much or how little it is ecosystem verse size and design, no one will ever know unless you know of an accurate poll. Again, all we can say right now is that there "is" a phone with a popular design and a 4in screen that "is" the most popular phone in history.

Instead of trying to pick that apart with a poll that does not exist, maybe you should just accept that at face value and concede that you have absolutely no evidence that iphone fans want a 4.5in screen or above.

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Ok so until you can prove how much or little stop using that retarted argument as it proves nothing except iPhone sells, because ease of use, early investment, preference of build quality, comfort levels, peer pressure, none of those have an effect according to you only screen size quit using a baseless argument and lets look at it like a normal money grubbing American CEO

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[nrm5110]

It wasn't I who said they want a 4.5 inch screen either you apparently failed to read

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[RicanMedic78]

It wasn't I who said they want a 4.5 inch screen either you apparently failed to read

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It wasn't you but you defended it when i rebutted it lol... All trivial either way

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[nrm5110]

I fail to see how I defended it I said that we are a drop in the hat compared to worldwide smartphone owners and that we can't say either way

Then I told you I disagree with your statement of 4 inches being perfect creating a numerically calculable 50% 1 for 1 against at what point did I defend his statement

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