11-02-2011 05:16 AM
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  1. ChuckG73's Avatar
    Okay the original Nexus One launched on Jan. 5th 2010 and the Nexus S launched in the US on December 16th 2010. That was 345 days between launches.

    345 days from the last launch of the Nexus S puts the date at November 25th, which is a Friday this year, the day after Thanksgiving.

    Now with the Nexus S, it launched 6 days in the UK after launching in the US on December 22nd. So maybe they will alternate launches between the UK and the US each year. So the next Nexus will launch in the US first followed by the UK, or until they can coordinate a true world launch.

    So this it what I believe are the scenarios for the Launch date for the Galaxy Nexus on Verizon.

    6 days following the launch in the UK would be 23rd of November the day before Thanksgiving.

    345 days following the last launch places it right on Black Friday. Why launch a phone on Black Friday....shoppers are out and about. Going here and there spending money and willing to stand in lines.

    I still believe that the 17th is a possibility as it would launch in the UK 1st and then a couple hours later in the US.

    So in summary: I think the Galaxy Nexus is likely to Launch in the US on one of the following dates.

    11/17
    11/23
    11/25

    Thanks
    11-01-2011 05:57 AM
  2. EggoEspada's Avatar
    I don't think there's anything sort of pattern going on with the Nexus devices. It's just whenever Google is ready, we get it.

    Also, I don't see them launching anything near the holidays. But that's just me. If its just a silent launch, it might not matter.

    Sent from my ADR6400L
    11-01-2011 06:48 AM
  3. Mooem's Avatar
    Okay the original Nexus One launched on Jan. 5th 2010 and the Nexus S launched in the US on December 16th 2010. That was 345 days between launches.
    That's a pretty deep analysis but I agree with EggoEspada, I don't really think there's really a pattern here we can rely on. I just think there's a lot of back room negotiation, shuffling, and posturing with a lot of information being kept tight-lipped.
    11-01-2011 07:03 AM
  4. Stang68's Avatar
    I think we can all agree on one thing: Google has screwed up. They had our attention, the media's attention, and they squandered it. They could have announced a release date aand pricing but they didn't. Instead we're stuck with this waiting game. Google should step up and say, "Verizon, this is when it's releasing. Deal with it." You think. Apple asked Verizon when they would like to launch? Bull. Apple knows how to deal with the carriers. Google needs to grow a pair. If this thing launches in the middle of the holiday season, Google has utterly failed. They do not know how to launch a product. Look at Google+. Damn, it's so upsetting to see the carriers stomp all over Google.

    Stand up, Google. Otherwise the Nexus will continue to be lost in between huge phone launches like the Razr and Rezound. The Nexus is essentially Google's iPhone, a pure vision, yet no one out there will touch one because Google and Verizon won't market it. Such a shame.
    11-01-2011 07:43 AM
  5. zmenchhofer's Avatar
    I agree, apple has a pair.... google needs to find theirs. why do you think VZW didnt take the iPhone when apple took it to VZW prior to ATT? because they didnt like the control apple was going to have.




    I think we can all agree on one thing: Google has screwed up. They had our attention, the media's attention, and they squandered it. They could have announced a release date aand pricing but they didn't. Instead we're stuck with this waiting game. Google should step up and say, "Verizon, this is when it's releasing. Deal with it." You think. Apple asked Verizon when they would like to launch? Bull. Apple knows how to deal with the carriers. Google needs to grow a pair. If this thing launches in the middle of the holiday season, Google has utterly failed. They do not know how to launch a product. Look at Google+. Damn, it's so upsetting to see the carriers stomp all over Google.

    Stand up, Google. Otherwise the Nexus will continue to be lost in between huge phone launches like the Razr and Rezound. The Nexus is essentially Google's iPhone, a pure vision, yet no one out there will touch one because Google and Verizon won't market it. Such a shame.
    11-01-2011 07:51 AM
  6. greydarrah's Avatar
    I don't think that Google can impose it's will on to Verizon. Apple was in a better position because they only make one phone, so if Verizon wanted it, they had to play by Apples rules. No Android phone/manufacturer has that kind of leverage. If some company wants Verizon to do something they don't like, they can say "no thanks...we've got these 47 other Android devices to sell."
    11-01-2011 07:54 AM
  7. kvlt's Avatar
    I think we can all agree on one thing: Google has screwed up. They had our attention, the media's attention, and they squandered it. They could have announced a release date aand pricing but they didn't. Instead we're stuck with this waiting game. Google should step up and say, "Verizon, this is when it's releasing. Deal with it." You think. Apple asked Verizon when they would like to launch? Bull. Apple knows how to deal with the carriers. Google needs to grow a pair. If this thing launches in the middle of the holiday season, Google has utterly failed. They do not know how to launch a product. Look at Google+. Damn, it's so upsetting to see the carriers stomp all over Google.

    Stand up, Google. Otherwise the Nexus will continue to be lost in between huge phone launches like the Razr and Rezound. The Nexus is essentially Google's iPhone, a pure vision, yet no one out there will touch one because Google and Verizon won't market it. Such a shame.
    I agree completely. Living with a Blackberry Curve 8330 since my switch back to VZW doesnt make matters better. Unfortunately i need a new phone badly and if this truly does come out in Europe before we have a solid release date... Im probably going to switch carriers and import it. Google needs to man up and Verizon needs to seriously get a clue when considering their past couple phone launches.
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    11-01-2011 07:57 AM
  8. nemov's Avatar
    I think we can all agree on one thing: Google has screwed up. They had our attention, the media's attention, and they squandered it. They could have announced a release date aand pricing but they didn't. Instead we're stuck with this waiting game. Google should step up and say, "Verizon, this is when it's releasing. Deal with it." .
    A) I don't agree that Google screwed up

    B) Google has never really seemed to care much about moving tons of units with the Nexus phones. These phones are more or less just an avenue for OS releases.

    C) Carriers determine release dates. The only Google could do differently is wait for Verizon to give them a date; however, the phone was ready in the rest of the world.

    D) In hindsight, the biggest mistake made by Google was every bothering with Verizon. Big Red is a headache. I'm sure Samsung agrees. Verizon didn't release the GS2 supposedly because the Nexus was on the way, but then Verizon delays the release to push their bloat phones.

    The phone would be out in the US already if they hadn't gone to Verizon first.
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    11-01-2011 08:02 AM
  9. Mooem's Avatar
    Google's whole strategy is to have Android on as many phones as possible from a variety of OEMs. I think them pushing the Nexus would be beneficial but not at the detriment of their carrier and OEM partnerships. Even if Verizon were to axe or downplay the Galaxy Nexus, Google will still have two star devices with Android being released this month on Big Red's network and that is really all that matters in the end. The main Nexus selling point, ICS, will inevitably make its way to these devices. Other carriers will also ultimately receive the Nexus like they always do.

    However, I think most of us can agree that Verizon doesn't know when it has good thing on its hands even if it slapped them across the face. Their collective minds seems primarily focused on the only thing they excel at which is their network, and they are obviously using that as leverage to get their way unless you're Apple.
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    11-01-2011 08:44 AM
  10. FishPharm's Avatar
    For Verizon, having both the iphone as well as the GN is just a plus....they know they win any way you slice it....there is no hurry. I agree with other posters on here saying that Google needs to grow a pair. Google needs to take their vanilla phones more seriously. I personally think they slipped with Verizon and slipped with Samsung. They should have had contracts in line with Samsung involving a more up to date phone with better specs to launch ICS and they also should have had contracts involved with Verizon giving a definitive date launch..... and if both Samsung and Verizon didn't want to agree to these contracts then google should have went to another carrier and another phone manufacturer. These vanilla phones should be going head to head with the iphone IMO. I'm sure that Apple has very restrictive contracts in place for their launches....this is why they launch without any problems. Hopefully this is just a growing pain with Google, I just feel they need to start promoting their vanilla phones more and make better contracts with the carriers and phone manufacturers.
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    11-01-2011 09:03 AM
  11. Stang68's Avatar
    However, I think most of us can agree that Verizon doesn't know when it has good thing on its hands even if it slapped them across the face. Their collective minds seems primarily focused on the only thing they excel at which is their network, and they are obviously using that as leverage to get their way unless you're Apple.
    Yes, I agree Verizon is messing this up, as well.

    But to the bolded point, why is it JUST Apple? Doesn't Google have a phone operating system with large marketshare? Why can't they get leverage against the carriers, why is it only Apple?
    11-01-2011 09:09 AM
  12. Stang68's Avatar
    A) I don't agree that Google screwed up

    B) Google has never really seemed to care much about moving tons of units with the Nexus phones. These phones are more or less just an avenue for OS releases.

    C) Carriers determine release dates. The only Google could do differently is wait for Verizon to give them a date; however, the phone was ready in the rest of the world.

    D) In hindsight, the biggest mistake made by Google was every bothering with Verizon. Big Red is a headache. I'm sure Samsung agrees. Verizon didn't release the GS2 supposedly because the Nexus was on the way, but then Verizon delays the release to push their bloat phones.

    The phone would be out in the US already if they hadn't gone to Verizon first.
    A) Your opinion.

    B) While that is true for the most part, they are going to have to change their tune. With the iPhone on more carriers than ever, Google should respond with their own "vertically made" device (I know it's not true vertical manufacturing). Google bringing the phone to Verizon and 4GLTE tells me they DO want the Nexus line in more hands, otherwise they would just have released it on T-Mobile (smallest carrier) with GSM bands.

    C) Not true. Apple decided their release dates, surely. Why can't Google? The iPhone came out on the same day on THREE carriers. You think the carriers got together and agreed on that day? No, Apple told them that was the day, plan accordingly. Do you think Google could pull off a three-carrier release? Sadly, not right now...

    D) True, for sure! (But come on, we're happy it's eventually coming to Verizon )
    11-01-2011 09:16 AM
  13. DolfanCole's Avatar
    A) I don't agree that Google screwed up

    B) Google has never really seemed to care much about moving tons of units with the Nexus phones. These phones are more or less just an avenue for OS releases.

    C) Carriers determine release dates. The only Google could do differently is wait for Verizon to give them a date; however, the phone was ready in the rest of the world.

    D) In hindsight, the biggest mistake made by Google was every bothering with Verizon. Big Red is a headache. I'm sure Samsung agrees. Verizon didn't release the GS2 supposedly because the Nexus was on the way, but then Verizon delays the release to push their bloat phones.

    The phone would be out in the US already if they hadn't gone to Verizon first.
    In many ways, it is. See the GS2 for every other carrier.
    11-01-2011 09:24 AM
  14. philly's Avatar
    A) Your opinion.

    B) While that is true for the most part, they are going to have to change their tune. With the iPhone on more carriers than ever, Google should respond with their own "vertically made" device (I know it's not true vertical manufacturing). Google bringing the phone to Verizon and 4GLTE tells me they DO want the Nexus line in more hands, otherwise they would just have released it on T-Mobile (smallest carrier) with GSM bands.

    C) Not true. Apple decided their release dates, surely. Why can't Google? The iPhone came out on the same day on THREE carriers. You think the carriers got together and agreed on that day? No, Apple told them that was the day, plan accordingly. Do you think Google could pull off a three-carrier release? Sadly, not right now...

    D) True, for sure! (But come on, we're happy it's eventually coming to Verizon )
    Google, albeit possibly just for the patent portfolio.. is in the process of buying a hardware company..
    so we will hopefully see eventually a google version of the iphone essentially.. and thank god it wont be made by Samsung.

    People talking about switching carriers etc for the Nexus are foolish.. its one phone.. the true power of the nexus is ICS and that will be on more phones soon enough.. phones without so many shortcomings.

    Some will be vanilla, some wont be.. but you guys all mod your phones anyhow so I dont know what the big deal is.. I think your going to be bored with a vanilla phone.
    11-01-2011 09:27 AM
  15. FishPharm's Avatar
    Yes, I agree Verizon is messing this up, as well.

    But to the bolded point, why is it JUST Apple? Doesn't Google have a phone operating system with large marketshare? Why can't they get leverage against the carriers, why is it only Apple?

    I personally think the reason is because Verizon was stung bad by Apple in the past for not taking the iphone in the first place.....Google has yet to do this. Most of us are on here because we are Android fans and not iphone fans but the fact is Apple is phenomenal at promoting and executing a phone launch. This is why I feel that Google needs to really take their vanilla phones more seriously because the true enthusiasts like us are the ones who want it and they should make the carriers really want it. Google needs to put their OS in a state of the art phone, promote the hell out of it and execute the release decisively.
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    11-01-2011 09:27 AM
  16. jamesbrown33's Avatar
    Yes, I agree Verizon is messing this up, as well.

    But to the bolded point, why is it JUST Apple? Doesn't Google have a phone operating system with large marketshare? Why can't they get leverage against the carriers, why is it only Apple?
    because verizon lost a lot of customers to at&t when the iphone was exclusive. When verizon got the iphone, it was their best device launch ever and since then they have steadily been poaching dissatisfied at&t iphone users. Verizon's android devices never did this, the best they did was to slow the exodus of customers to at&t for the iphone.

    Android may have much higher market share, but this is spread out across a ton of phones, and google has no control over most of them, verizon's android portfolio would be just fine without the nexus, but their smartphone portfolio would be lacking if they did not have the iphone.
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    11-01-2011 09:34 AM
  17. Mooem's Avatar
    because verizon lost a lot of customers to at&t when the iphone was exclusive. When verizon got the iphone, it was their best device launch ever and since then they have steadily been poaching dissatisfied at&t iphone users. Verizon's android devices never did this, the best they did was to slow the exodus of customers to at&t for the iphone.

    Android may have much higher market share, but this is spread out across a ton of phones, and google has no control over most of them, verizon's android portfolio would be just fine without the nexus, but their smartphone portfolio would be lacking if they did not have the iphone.
    My sentiments exactly. I should also re-iterate that it would benefit Google more to support multiple devices with Android if they are to continue beating the competition. Pulling all their weight behind one device would go against their interest especially if the carriers push back and/or start pushing for alternatives. Not to mention it would alienate other OEMs.

    As fast as Android as risen, it can fall just as quickly.
    11-01-2011 09:37 AM
  18. FishPharm's Avatar
    because verizon lost a lot of customers to at&t when the iphone was exclusive. When verizon got the iphone, it was their best device launch ever and since then they have steadily been poaching dissatisfied at&t iphone users. Verizon's android devices never did this, the best they did was to slow the exodus of customers to at&t for the iphone.

    Android may have much higher market share, but this is spread out across a ton of phones, and google has no control over most of them, verizon's android portfolio would be just fine without the nexus, but their smartphone portfolio would be lacking if they did not have the iphone.
    I agree 100%. This is why Google needs to take their vanilla phone more seriously and make the carriers want it and if it that means making the damn phone themselves then they need to do it!
    11-01-2011 09:41 AM
  19. Stang68's Avatar
    because verizon lost a lot of customers to at&t when the iphone was exclusive. When verizon got the iphone, it was their best device launch ever and since then they have steadily been poaching dissatisfied at&t iphone users. Verizon's android devices never did this, the best they did was to slow the exodus of customers to at&t for the iphone.

    Android may have much higher market share, but this is spread out across a ton of phones, and google has no control over most of them, verizon's android portfolio would be just fine without the nexus, but their smartphone portfolio would be lacking if they did not have the iphone.
    What would happen if Google along with it's hardware partners threatened to stop selling phones to Verizon? (unlikely, I know, but bare with me) Verizon cannot survive on the iPhone alone. They need Android devices as well and if Google really needed influence with Verizon, they could call for help from their manufacturers. Would the manufacturers go along with this? Well, that's another story. But could you see Google starting this staring contest with Verizon if they NEEDED to get something done? I don't think so. Google CAN gain leverage over the carriers, they just...don't.
    11-01-2011 09:42 AM
  20. philly's Avatar
    Do the Manufacturers even need google's permission to use Android?

    They care alot more about their relationships with Verizon, ATT, etc.. then they care about their relationships with Google or Microsoft, IMO.
    11-01-2011 09:45 AM
  21. Stang68's Avatar
    Do the Manufacturers even need google's permission to use Android?

    They care alot more about their relationships with Verizon, ATT, etc.. then they care about their relationships with Google or Microsoft, IMO.
    Yes, if the manu's want to use Google Apps (Gmail, Market, Maps, etc) their EVERY phone needs to be appoved by Google. Literally every device is seen before being released with GApps. Pretty funny, actually.
    11-01-2011 09:55 AM
  22. jamesbrown33's Avatar
    What would happen if Google along with it's hardware partners threatened to stop selling phones to Verizon? (unlikely, I know, but bare with me) Verizon cannot survive on the iPhone alone. They need Android devices as well and if Google really needed influence with Verizon, they could call for help from their manufacturers. Would the manufacturers go along with this? Well, that's another story. But could you see Google starting this staring contest with Verizon if they NEEDED to get something done? I don't think so. Google CAN gain leverage over the carriers, they just...don't.
    Android is open sourced, they cannot prevent anyone from using it, as long as some manufacturers would be willing to fill the void left if any decided to leave verizon would still have several android devices. The only thing google can do is withhold their services, including the market, but as verizon has already shown, the google services can be stripped out and replaced with bing/verizon services. Verizon also has their own app store, or they could partner with amazon to use theirs. The point is that android has grown to the point where it no longer needs google
    11-01-2011 09:57 AM
  23. Salacon's Avatar
    I will admit right away that I did not read all 8 pages before posting, but everyone needs to be calm about this. For one, as was stated previously, it could just be confusion with wording. Perhaps, if anything, this does not apply to Verizon's launch of the phone anyway. Plus, good ol' Panda still seems pretty confident about something being announced this week and the device being released on the 10th, just like the MAP we saw not that long ago displayed.

    Let's all just relax. I know we're all really pumped for Verizon to be getting a Nexus (I know I am incredibly excited and really want to finally replace my OG Droid), but we should just take some deep breaths and remember that a phone is nothing to get so riled up about.
    11-01-2011 10:06 AM
  24. Stang68's Avatar
    Android is open sourced, they cannot prevent anyone from using it, as long as some manufacturers would be willing to fill the void left if any decided to leave verizon would still have several android devices. The only thing google can do is withhold their services, including the market, but as verizon has already shown, the google services can be stripped out and replaced with bing/verizon services. Verizon also has their own app store, or they could partner with amazon to use theirs. The point is that android has grown to the point where it no longer needs google
    I think Google is powerful enough that the manufacturers would want to stand by their side if Google really did put out a call "against" Verizon. The Bing phones are shunned, SHUNNED. There's a reason that contract is believed to have expired. Verizon knows it didn't work too well.

    I will say this, though: I wouldn't put it past Verizon to team up with Amazon and not use the Android Market. Damn Verizon...great network, sketchy practices.
    11-01-2011 10:11 AM
  25. jamesbrown33's Avatar
    I think Google is powerful enough that the manufacturers would want to stand by their side if Google really did put out a call "against" Verizon. The Bing phones are shunned, SHUNNED. There's a reason that contract is believed to have expired. Verizon knows it didn't work too well.

    I will say this, though: I wouldn't put it past Verizon to team up with Amazon and not use the Android Market. Damn Verizon...great network, sketchy practices.
    Well if the major manufacturers stood against verizon, what would stop smaller manufacturers like Hauwei and Kyocera and others from capitalizing on the vacuum created on verizon. This threat alone is what will keep the major manufacturers from leaving, none of them command the same loyalty that apple does and many would not switch, they would buy from other manufacturers that chose to stay, especially apple.
    11-01-2011 10:39 AM
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