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  1. D13H4RD2L1V3's Avatar
    So, I came across this video of a speed test between a Note 5, OnePlus Two and LG G4.



    Without spoiling it too much, the Note 5 did what the S6 did and reloaded some apps right from the beginning whilst other phones kept the same apps in memory.

    Can anyone with the Note 5 attempt to replicate this and see if the issue persists after a while? Because this isn't pretty. A real-world test would also be appreciated.

    I'll be doing the same when I get to test out the Note 5.
    08-21-2015 01:30 PM
  2. LeoRex's Avatar
    Its not a RAM management issue... Samsung is purposefully over-aggressive with the settings, have been for quite some time now. Why? Dunno.... what is the point of stuffing more RAM in a phone if you are going to get crazy conservative with it?
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    08-21-2015 03:01 PM
  3. dpham00's Avatar
    I have experienced some aggressive memory management on the Note 5. Most definitely, my G4 allows apps to stay in memory longer. That's just the way Samsung's memory management is. With that said, the Note 5 gets substantially better battery life compared to the G4. I don't have a OPT, so can't comment there.
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    08-21-2015 03:19 PM
  4. wvtarheel's Avatar
    I've seen that video posted all over the internet on Note 5 forums. I tried to duplicate a RAM problem on my Note 5 by opening my podcast app, running a reddit client, the AC central app, then opening maps and chrome in multi-window, navigating via maps and also loading data heavy websites on chrome. None of it disturbed the podcast playing on the audio and when I jumped back to my reddit app, it did not reload, but was still open.....

    So, I couldn't duplicate what he was seeing. Now, I wasn't running a graphics heavy game, or transcoding video. So maybe if you want to transcode a video, play a game, and surf the web all in two minutes or less you are going to see a problem. But I don't see any problems in how I've been using this phone.
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    08-21-2015 03:24 PM
  5. EMGSM's Avatar
    Its not a RAM management issue... Samsung is purposefully over-aggressive with the settings, have been for quite some time now. Why? Dunno.... what is the point of stuffing more RAM in a phone if you are going to get crazy conservative with it?
    That's a good point. What is the purpose of the extra ram?
    08-21-2015 03:27 PM
  6. sajjad7's Avatar
    Actually this is whats going on:
    Consider you have Facebook app, Chrome in the background and a game is running.
    Now you wanna go back to for example Facebook:
    1. If you press the Home button and then the tap Facebook "Icon", it reload your Facebook h-page
    2. If you Use your "Recently Opened app" button and then switch to the app. it does not reload it !
    .
    the iOS in iPhone is using the same procedure and Samsung too for a long period of time and as it mentioned, "its not an issue".

    If you want to observe what i said. just do a "game multi tasking" video search in youtube for S6 or some and compare it with the OP video then you will figure it out
    08-21-2015 04:08 PM
  7. dpham00's Avatar
    I've seen that video posted all over the internet on Note 5 forums. I tried to duplicate a RAM problem on my Note 5 by opening my podcast app, running a reddit client, the AC central app, then opening maps and chrome in multi-window, navigating via maps and also loading data heavy websites on chrome. None of it disturbed the podcast playing on the audio and when I jumped back to my reddit app, it did not reload, but was still open.....

    So, I couldn't duplicate what he was seeing. Now, I wasn't running a graphics heavy game, or transcoding video. So maybe if you want to transcode a video, play a game, and surf the web all in two minutes or less you are going to see a problem. But I don't see any problems in how I've been using this phone.
    It will be app dependent. I use hangouts, Gmail, Tapatalk, and chrome most of the time, and they stay in memory. I am guessing certain apps like what was in the video takes longer to load. It is also unknown what he ran prior to the demo.


    Sent from my Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note 5
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    08-21-2015 05:50 PM
  8. Rmedy21's Avatar
    I was just reading an article on it from Samsung. They are having issues with multitasking.

    Quote The Note 4 Never More😤
    08-23-2015 08:39 PM
  9. samsungnian's Avatar
    So, I have the system monitor app that I am using to monitor memory usage on my Note 5. Knowing that Note 5 equiped with 4GB of RAM, I think Note 5 should be a very damn good Android device. After spending a little time observing.. I said observing!... I killed all apps, restart. At the clean start, I am seeing 1.4GB of RAM usage. Keeping the RAM monitor on. I started to load bunch of ramdom apps. At around 9-10 apps and ram is about 1.9GB. My RAM monitor was killed. I restarted the the system monitor app and RAM was around 1.5GB usage. I tried to load bunch of apps again...and BAM as soon as the RAM hits 2GB marked, RAM monitor is killed again... It seems like, the Note 5 would not let the apps go beyond 2GB of RAM before it starts killing some of the running apps??? Anyone? I am not sure if this Android thing or something Samsung is doing? Again, just my observation.. nothing scientific about it.
    08-23-2015 09:34 PM
  10. jweimn's Avatar
    Samsung issue, its been documented on a few sites at this point. Hopefully Samsung fixes it
    08-23-2015 10:51 PM
  11. Shepx13's Avatar
    Many of us have seen videos and complaints about Samsung's aggressive RAM management decisions with TouchWiz. But most of the evidence against the Note 5 is during testing of 10+ apps in a matter 1-2 minutes, for the sole purpose of trying to get apps dropped out of RAM. It's impossible to deny Samsung is too aggressive with TouchWiz in this regard.

    But I'd like to hear from real users during normal daily use if they are seeing issues or not. Because real world usage is way more important to me than benchmarks or specific scenarios made to show such issues. (One specific issue people have discussed with the S6 is dropping of music while using navigation, but no evidence of issues on the Note 5 yet).

    Positive or negative feedback, let's hear it!
    08-23-2015 11:10 PM
  12. calvin35's Avatar
    Many of us have seen videos and complaints about Samsung's aggressive RAM management decisions with TouchWiz. But most of the evidence against the Note 5 is during testing of 10+ apps in a matter 1-2 minutes, for the sole purpose of trying to get apps dropped out of RAM. It's impossible to deny Samsung is too aggressive with TouchWiz in this regard.

    But I'd like to hear from real users during normal daily use if they are seeing issues or not. Because real world usage is way more important to me than benchmarks or specific scenarios made to show such issues. (One specific issue people have discussed with the S6 is dropping of music while using navigation, but no evidence of issues on the Note 5 yet).

    Positive or negative feedback, let's hear it!
    I got my Note 5 two days ago and so far I am able to regularly keep 6 to 7 apps open in the background. Usually consisting of Google+, Lightning browser, YouTube, the Playstore and two or three other apps. Definitely not as good as it should be but it as long as I don't go over 6 or 7 apps they will stay open in the background for hours. The phone is really fast and that level of multitasking is more than adequate for me. Now the S6 that my wife has, while it is also fast(not as fast as the Note 5), it is an app reloading piece of crap as far as I'm concerned.
    08-23-2015 11:30 PM
  13. D13H4RD2L1V3's Avatar
    So, I have the system monitor app that I am using to monitor memory usage on my Note 5. Knowing that Note 5 equiped with 4GB of RAM, I think Note 5 should be a very damn good Android device. After spending a little time observing.. I said observing!... I killed all apps, restart. At the clean start, I am seeing 1.4GB of RAM usage. Keeping the RAM monitor on. I started to load bunch of ramdom apps. At around 9-10 apps and ram is about 1.9GB. My RAM monitor was killed. I restarted the the system monitor app and RAM was around 1.5GB usage. I tried to load bunch of apps again...and BAM as soon as the RAM hits 2GB marked, RAM monitor is killed again... It seems like, the Note 5 would not let the apps go beyond 2GB of RAM before it starts killing some of the running apps??? Anyone? I am not sure if this Android thing or something Samsung is doing? Again, just my observation.. nothing scientific about it.
    It's the same with the Galaxy S6.

    It seems to behave like a device with 2GB of RAM.
    08-24-2015 02:27 AM
  14. D13H4RD2L1V3's Avatar
    I watched this.



    No complete app reload, but it does load it slower than the Nexus 6.
    08-24-2015 02:37 AM
  15. anon(607340)'s Avatar
    I've seen that video posted all over the internet on Note 5 forums. I tried to duplicate a RAM problem on my Note 5 by opening my podcast app, running a reddit client, the AC central app, then opening maps and chrome in multi-window, navigating via maps and also loading data heavy websites on chrome. None of it disturbed the podcast playing on the audio and when I jumped back to my reddit app, it did not reload, but was still open.....

    So, I couldn't duplicate what he was seeing. Now, I wasn't running a graphics heavy game, or transcoding video. So maybe if you want to transcode a video, play a game, and surf the web all in two minutes or less you are going to see a problem. But I don't see any problems in how I've been using this phone.
    I have tested mine and I agree, none of the previous RAM management problems that I saw in the S6. The Note 5 performs beautifully
    08-24-2015 12:42 PM
  16. RobbyRob's Avatar
    You guys are complaining about this? Lol. Try the iPhone 6+ where everything reloads after the 2 or 3rd app. God forbid you do navigation. Or the browser reloading if there is too much on the page. I have been very pleased at the ram management on this device.

    Sent from my SM-N920T using Tapatalk
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    08-24-2015 01:03 PM
  17. LeoRex's Avatar
    It seems like, the Note 5 would not let the apps go beyond 2GB of RAM before it starts killing some of the running apps??? Anyone? I am not sure if this Android thing or something Samsung is doing? Again, just my observation.. nothing scientific about it.
    Well... it is Android, but it is Samsung calling the shots. There are a bunch of parameters that dictate how the phone handles memory.... how many apps to keep running, the point at which you start dropping apps out of memory, etc. Samsung, for whatever reason, has decided to be rather aggressive in configuring those values. Again, this is all done by choice, not by accident. Samsung has been doing that for several generations now and it appears that they are quite happy with continuing the practice.

    Has anyone gone into the developer options to see if the settings in there have any effect on loosening the chains a bit?

    But it's just how they work.
    08-24-2015 03:07 PM
  18. wvtarheel's Avatar

    Has anyone gone into the developer options to see if the settings in there have any effect on loosening the chains a bit?
    I did. The settings to alter the RAM management are in the build.prop file, which is root access only. After I poked around for a while and suspected this was the case, I googled it on XDA's site and confirmed.... you need root access to build.prop to change RAM management
    08-24-2015 04:44 PM
  19. shibosway's Avatar
    I don't really understand what the problem is. What kind of apps are you using? When I hit my app switch button I pull up so many apps I forgot I even opened them earlier in the day. When I switch to them there's a slight pause but it opens right back up to where I was, even with multiple tabs open in Firefox and with older and poorly updated apps.

    Note 5 !
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    08-24-2015 07:17 PM
  20. Jesse Isaacson's Avatar
    4 apps seems to be my magic number. After that the oldest one gets reloaded. It doesn't really bother me as it's blazing fast to reload stuff anyway.

    Posted via the Android Central App on a Note 5
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    08-24-2015 08:45 PM
  21. RobbyRob's Avatar
    I am super surprised at the speed. This is the first Android phone that doesn't lag out on me all the time. The RAM is okay I guess. I normally don't except even 1 app to not reload coming from the iPhone. So 4 is welcome!

    Sent from my SM-N920T using Tapatalk
    08-24-2015 08:52 PM
  22. luisrcastillo's Avatar
    I upgraded from the Edge and the difference is night and day, at least for me. There is still a bit of aggressiveness added to RAM management but it isn't a showstopper for me. I think this issue or feature is just being over hyped. I have no issues with the phone when it comes to recent apps and I multi-task a lot. Also, phone is virtually lag free for me

    Sent from my SM-N920T using Tapatalk
    08-24-2015 09:18 PM
  23. Shepx13's Avatar
    4 apps seems to be my magic number. After that the oldest one gets reloaded. It doesn't really bother me as it's blazing fast to reload stuff anyway.

    Posted via the Android Central App on a Note 5
    4 seems really low, should be at least 7 or so. Maybe they'll address it in an update
    08-24-2015 10:46 PM
  24. ThomaspHK's Avatar
    Is this kind of aggressive ram management a way to improve battery life?

    Posted via the Android Central App
    08-24-2015 11:22 PM
  25. Shepx13's Avatar
    Is this kind of aggressive ram management a way to improve battery life?

    Posted via the Android Central App
    That's probably Samsung's argument, but there's lots of evidence that RAM usage does little to drain battery life
    08-24-2015 11:41 PM
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