I wanna know your opinions about the notch.

[Caezar07]

And if you really dont like it they made it possible to hide it and if you dont want to do that get the regular pixel. Many options.

I did order the Pixel 3, but the title of the thread is asking for opinions about the Pixel 3 XL notch and so I gave it.

 

[laughingloud]

I was against it until I saw it in person and I didn't even notice it while using the phone. It's more screen than my 6p and I'm getting more screen space with the notifications up there. I compared it to the note 9 and the pixel 3 was so smooth and a bit snappier and they both have amazing screens. Leaning towards the pixel unless it turns out to have some issues. I heard One reviewer had the camera app open while music was playing in the background and while taking a picture it quit the music app so that sounds like a ram issue and I'm also a little worried about apps closing too soon in the background because of the 4 gigabytes of RAM I'm sure it'll be optimized but will I be able to go back to Old apps and not have to reload?

 

[Torisen1]

I was against it until I saw it in person and I didn't even notice it while using the phone. It's more screen than my 6p and I'm getting more screen space with the notifications up there. I compared it to the note 9 and the pixel 3 was so smooth and a bit snappier and they both have amazing screens. Leaning towards the pixel unless it turns out to have some issues. I heard One reviewer had the camera app open while music was playing in the background and while taking a picture it quit the music app so that sounds like a ram issue and I'm also a little worried about apps closing too soon in the background because of the 4 gigabytes of RAM I'm sure it'll be optimized but will I be able to go back to Old apps and not have to reload?

I'm hoping that isn't a new DRM counter measure. Too paranoid?

 

[PamelaBB]

The notch is terrible, no excuse.

 

[krunalg83]

Its very ugly Notch so better to hide it.

 

[Itsa_Me_Mario]

Because it don't work on all carriers and some just don't trust the company
I love my 1+6

This, plus lose the great software, lose the great camera, Pixel stand functionality, etc.

The notch in Pixel 3 XL is a useless design complexity that may have clearly avoided. Google for some bizarre reasons unknown chose not to. I used the Pixel at Best Buy and that notch is more hideous than the notch in my Xs Max. Also while the notch in an iPhone can be justified, literally there is nothing you can say to justify the notch in a 3 XL. Google could have easily chosen Samsung’s route of having tiny bezel/chin on the top and the bottom instead.

Google’s implementation of customizing the notch using the available developer options are good but not great. UnboxTherapy explains very well in his latest video of how you lose a lot of screen real estate once you hide the notch using those software options.

And yes, you can get used to the notch in a few days but I can’t get out of the fact that it’s an useless thing sitting there and staring at me for no reason.

First paragraph makes 5 statements. 4 are clearly false, the other was an opinion which was the only statement in the post which addressed the question.

I get this thing is polarizing, but I do not understand why. I also don't understand why some people have all these conspiracy theories about it and/or why they like making up things about it.

Face ID is the biggest reason why along with the fact that there is no chin at the bottom giving you that edge to edge display such devices are craving for. Face ID, being such an integral part of using the iPhone, gets used all the time and not have serves the purpose until Apple can completely move those sensors and camera behind the display.

If Google had the notch and no chin at the bottom like iPhones, I would appreciate them and totally applaud for coming out with a design where you target larger screen to body ratio like other manufacturers are doing.

The iPhone notch is bigger, approximately 46% more area. They do not currently offer the functionality that the Pixel cameras do, and vice versa. They have different purposes.

Notches and chins are not related to each other. They house different hardware, exist for different reasons and have different functionality.

Google Pixel notch is the worst notch ever. should get reward for the ugliest notch of 2018.
after so many months looking at other android OEM Google didn't learn anything?
if the price was £300 then we can forgive the big ugly notch. but the price tag is high aswell.
Google likes big chin also for some reason.

Google is 2 years behind. sorry to say.
OnePlus 6T = water drop notch
Google Pixel 3 XL = Atlantic Ocean notch

7 statements, 6 are false.

Notch in the Xs Max and Xs are not as deep as in the 3 XL and the display actually has larger screen to body ratio as a result of it. That is not the case with 3 XL.

This is false. Premise is correct, the pixel notch is 9% deeper, but the iPhone one is so much wider that it results in the iPhone notch taking up 46% more area.

Google Notch don't have high end tech, so there's no reason to be so big.
iPhone Notch has high end tech build in that's the reason why it's big..

also don't forget the Google big chin

@digitalbreak Already explain it better then me, read it before commenting again

First two statements are false, third is irrelevant, last one is misguided because the appealed to source is wrong about the same things.

Let us differentiate standard components from components that are new and offering new experiences. Proximity sensor is something you always include and design for, so yea, there is nothing special about that piece of hardware.

What Google failed is to give a reason for notch. Even with this full screen as they say (which is not), screen to body ratio is just 82.8% while rest of the market has a larger screen to body ratio. This makes it a huge phone for sure but nothing applaudable. Even S9+ without a notch has a 83.9% screen to body ratio. Even OnePlus 6 has a 83.81% screen to body ratio.

So yea, the 3 XL notch doesn’t really bode well when you compare how well other manufacturers use it for what they claim - providing more screen real estate. That is why this design is questionable.

Again, it’s not about the existence of the notch itself, it’s the notch design and it’s use.

Do you have another example of a device with the Pixels dual camera equipment and functionality with the same speaker setup that has a notch, yet does it "better"? I keep seeing comparisons to phones that done have dual front facing speakers and don't have the two cameras and all associated functionality.

I will applaud manufacturers who use the notch to accommodate new components as well increase screen to body ratio. If they don’t do either but jump on the trend bandwagon, then it’s not worthy.

But Google did do both parts of what you're asking for, you just don't like the implementation. They did increase s:b, because it's higher than the Pixel 2 XL, with the same dimensions. They did add in new technology, because there's another camera up there with a boatload of software features that the hardware improvement enabled.

And do you have inside information on the P4 that indicates that it won't have a notch?

Of course not, that person is referencing a phone that does not exist (Pixel 4 Ultra). They're also comparing the Pixels to the OnePlus line, which is possibly even more erroneous.

 

[1901Madison]

Just my opinion, but I don't think it's nearly as big a deal as people are making it out to be. Plus, if you hate it, turn it off.

 

[Caezar07]

Just my opinion, but I don't think it's nearly as big a deal as people are making it out to be. Plus, if you hate it, turn it off.

They couldn't even get the "hide notch" function right. They shift the entire notification bar into the usable screen area instead of just locking the notification bar to the notch area and keeping it black. This is how the OnePlus 6 approaches the "hide notch" function. I'm guessing the will update this. The notch on the 3 XL is so deep that they could probably do two rows of notifications area. They should've just set up the notch area as a "notification area" by default and locked it to a black background.

 

[TabGuy]

I hate the notch. I will not buy a phone with a notch.

 

[digitalbreak]

This, plus lose the great software, lose the great camera, Pixel stand functionality, etc.



First paragraph makes 5 statements. 4 are clearly false, the other was an opinion which was the only statement in the post which addressed the question.

I get this thing is polarizing, but I do not understand why. I also don't understand why some people have all these conspiracy theories about it and/or why they like making up things about it.



The iPhone notch is bigger, approximately 46% more area. They do not currently offer the functionality that the Pixel cameras do, and vice versa. They have different purposes.

Notches and chins are not related to each other. They house different hardware, exist for different reasons and have different functionality.

7 statements, 6 are false.

This is false. Premise is correct, the pixel notch is 9% deeper, but the iPhone one is so much wider that it results in the iPhone notch taking up 46% more area.



First two statements are false, third is irrelevant, last one is misguided because the appealed to source is wrong about the same things.



Do you have another example of a device with the Pixels dual camera equipment and functionality with the same speaker setup that has a notch, yet does it "better"? I keep seeing comparisons to phones that done have dual front facing speakers and don't have the two cameras and all associated functionality.

But Google did do both parts of what you're asking for, you just don't like the implementation. They did increase s:b, because it's higher than the Pixel 2 XL, with the same dimensions. They did add in new technology, because there's another camera up there with a boatload of software features that the hardware improvement enabled.

Of course not, that person is referencing a phone that does not exist (Pixel 4 Ultra). They're also comparing the Pixels to the OnePlus line, which is possibly even more erroneous.

I thought we were all sharing our opinions as per this thread?

If you want to talk facts, then lets start another thread (not that I agree with all what you quoted me back). I think everyone has to be given a chance to share what their opinions are in this thread than trying to defend Pixel's notch is good/great/bad.

 

[sulla1965]

And do you have inside information on the P4 that indicates that it won't have a notch?

Well if Apple keeps it in their next year's phones, Google will keep it for the pixel 4. If Apple abandons the notch, Google will likely follow suit, duh

 

[akhil8]

Google made the ugliest one, according to me..

 

[Mike Dee]

They couldn't even get the "hide notch" function right. They shift the entire notification bar into the usable screen area instead of just locking the notification bar to the notch area and keeping it black. This is how the OnePlus 6 approaches the "hide notch" function. I'm guessing the will update this. The notch on the 3 XL is so deep that they could probably do two rows of notifications area. They should've just set up the notch area as a "notification area" by default and locked it to a black background.

I'm sure they will patch the software if their are enough complaints.

 

[Itsa_Me_Mario]

I thought we were all sharing our opinions as per this thread?

If you want to talk facts, then lets start another thread (not that I agree with all what you quoted me back). I think everyone has to be given a chance to share what their opinions are in this thread than trying to defend Pixel's notch is good/great/bad.

The opinion part is fine, the part that I was mostly responding to were the inaccurate statements, such as fabrications about "high end tech" being a justification for a bigger notch, and false statements such as Google failing to increase their screen to body and failing to utilize the space of the notch for functionality enhancements, and Apple having a smaller notch, etc.

Many times people in this thread attempted to make claims about the devices or the motivations, etc. and were representing those claims as being factual, when they are clearly not. I did not try to negate anyone's opinion statements, including the one of yours, where you made many statements in a paragraph, all but one of which were claims, not opinions, and all of the claims were incorrect. The opinion I left unaddressed, because I do not have a way of knowing whether that is truly your opinion or not, but I feel safe in assuming that it probably is.

So things such as, "I think ___" or "I prefer ____" are opinions. Things such as, "Google did ____" or "Apple did ____" or "x is bigger than y" are presented as claims, and should be truthful - in the case of this thread, many claims were not truthful. In this sense, I mean truthful in the sense of, "based on facts" and "not attempting to represent knowledge that the claimant has no ability to possess".

With the example of Google not increasing their S:B and not including new components, both of those statements are obviously false when left on their own. If you had added, "enough" or, "to my satisfaction" or something like that, then it'd be opinions, but what we received instead was that Google did not do these things, when they clearly did.

I'm completely fine with opinions, but false claims do not get a pass because they're misrepresented as "opinions". Claims are either true, false or unknown, and many of the claims made in the posts that I quoted were false.

 

[Mike Dee]

Well if Apple keeps it in their next year's phones, Google will keep it for the pixel 4. If Apple abandons the notch, Google will likely follow suit, duh

I don't buy that theory, though it's easy to parrot those words. Apple didn't invent the notch just like they weren't the first to remove the jack or put dual cameras on a phone

Google put out one phone without a notch giving people options and provided a way to disable the notch. Were they following Apple when they did that? What else didn't Google follow?

Everyone is so quick to give Apple credit for innovation when it fact lately they are usually playing follow the leader. Look how long it took Apple to make a large screen phone. They do deserve credit for kick-starting the industry in the direction that it took. They do deserve credit for a lot of other things but let's give them credit only when they earn it.

 

[Itsa_Me_Mario]

Well if Apple keeps it in their next year's phones, Google will keep it for the pixel 4. If Apple abandons the notch, Google will likely follow suit, duh

Google won't know if Apple is doing that or not in time to get it in for the design of the Pixel 4. The 4 has already been started and will be nearly final in design and specs within the next 2-3 months.

 

[digitalbreak]

The opinion part is fine, the part that I was mostly responding to were the inaccurate statements, such as fabrications about "high end tech" being a justification for a bigger notch, and false statements such as Google failing to increase their screen to body and failing to utilize the space of the notch for functionality enhancements, and Apple having a smaller notch, etc.

Many times people in this thread attempted to make claims about the devices or the motivations, etc. and were representing those claims as being factual, when they are clearly not. I did not try to negate anyone's opinion statements, including the one of yours, where you made many statements in a paragraph, all but one of which were claims, not opinions, and all of the claims were incorrect. The opinion I left unaddressed, because I do not have a way of knowing whether that is truly your opinion or not, but I feel safe in assuming that it probably is.

So things such as, "I think ___" or "I prefer ____" are opinions. Things such as, "Google did ____" or "Apple did ____" or "x is bigger than y" are presented as claims, and should be truthful - in the case of this thread, many claims were not truthful. In this sense, I mean truthful in the sense of, "based on facts" and "not attempting to represent knowledge that the claimant has no ability to possess".

With the example of Google not increasing their S:B and not including new components, both of those statements are obviously false when left on their own. If you had added, "enough" or, "to my satisfaction" or something like that, then it'd be opinions, but what we received instead was that Google did not do these things, when they clearly did.

I'm completely fine with opinions, but false claims do not get a pass because they're misrepresented as "opinions". Claims are either true, false or unknown, and many of the claims made in the posts that I quoted were false.

I am sorry. The things that you stated are false claims are not false. Pixel 3XL has a lower screen to body ratio than other phones listed in my post. I never said and compared to Pixel 2XL screen to body ratio as that phone doesn’t have a notch. So not sure why you accuse me of false claims.

You consider dual cameras as new tech, may be to Google, not for the tech industry as a whole. That is a fact as well. Every manufacturer differentiates by features offered and Google decided to go this route. That is a fact. My opinion is that led to a lower screen to body ratio (which is also true when you compare them) for 3XL.

It’s a public forum and I do make sure as a trusted member of MONA and community review team do not spread false claims.

 

[Itsa_Me_Mario]

I am sorry. The things that you stated are false claims are not false. Pixel 3XL has a lower screen to body ratio than other phones listed in my post. I never said and compared to Pixel 2XL screen to body ratio as that phone doesn’t have a notch. So not sure why you accuse me of false claims.

You consider dual cameras as new tech, may be to Google, not for the tech industry as a whole. That is a fact as well. Every manufacturer differentiates by features offered and Google decided to go this route. That is a fact. My opinion is that led to a lower screen to body ratio (which is also true when you compare them) for 3XL.

It’s a public forum and I do make sure as a trusted member of MONA and community review team do not spread false claims.

This is what I'm referencing. Here is your quote: "I will applaud manufacturers who use the notch to accommodate new components as well increase screen to body ratio. If they don’t do either but jump on the trend bandwagon, then it’s not worthy."

Google did add a notch to accommodate new components, such as the 2nd camera, which they did not have in earlier versions and which adds functionality that their previous phones, as well as most or all other phones, do not possess. They also did increase the screen to body ratio by using a notch, rather than just keeping it all bezel. I brought up the 2 XL because the 3 XL without the notch, is a 2 XL from a screen dimensions and body dimensions standpoint, at least it's close enough that the differences are not noticeable. The 2 XL has x% screen to body ratio, the 3XL has more.

Therefore, Google did "... use the notch to accommodate new components as well increase screen to body ratio". Your statement was that they did not do either and that they have a notch simply to "jump on the bandwagon". Therefore, all three components of that statement are untrue. Your statement could have been admitting that Google did both of the things that you believe make a notch ok, but not enough to meet your standards, then that'd be an opinion.

 

[digitalbreak]

This is what I'm referencing. Here is your quote: "I will applaud manufacturers who use the notch to accommodate new components as well increase screen to body ratio. If they don’t do either but jump on the trend bandwagon, then it’s not worthy."

Google did add a notch to accommodate new components, such as the 2nd camera, which they did not have in earlier versions and which adds functionality that their previous phones, as well as most or all other phones, do not possess. They also did increase the screen to body ratio by using a notch, rather than just keeping it all bezel. I brought up the 2 XL because the 3 XL without the notch, is a 2 XL from a screen dimensions and body dimensions standpoint, at least it's close enough that the differences are not noticeable. The 2 XL has x% screen to body ratio, the 3XL has more.

Therefore, Google did "... use the notch to accommodate new components as well increase screen to body ratio". Your statement was that they did not do either and that they have a notch simply to "jump on the bandwagon". Therefore, all three components of that statement are untrue.

Seriously? Complete your thoughts with my full sentence, not half of it:

I will applaud manufacturers who use the notch to accommodate new components as well increase screen to body ratio.

I am done with this thread as it seems like a thread to praise the notch. If you want to dispute my facts, bring the entire quote, not parts of it. It doesnt make sense. Enjoy your 3 XL.

 

[jsabolic]

I feel they coul have done a better job. The features the notch brings are worth it but they should have found a way to make it look less clumsy.