LG fans, do you feel betrayed by the V30 rumors?

[Aquila]

I'm not 100% sure, trying to find out, but I think the G2 was the highest selling LG flagship and that it's been steady downhill since then. If they respond will post it here.

 

[LeoRex]

The battery doesn't wear out in a year, do a factory reset every six months and your battery life will be always good. With new battery technology batteries don't show signs of fatigue until at least 2 years, even then I've seen them go longer.

There's no 'advances in battery technology' here... the tech behind these batteries has changed little since lithium based batteries hit the market. A factory reset does nothing to improve or degrade battery life, what DOES impact is widely known (in no particular order of impact):

a) avoid extreme temps (hot or cold)
b) Avoid deep cycle discharges
c) Avoid storing a fully charged or depleted battery for extended times
d) Do not leave a fully charged phone on the charger for extended periods

The battery will degrade over time, no matter what you do... how quickly it loses capacity is up to the user. A phone can easily start to show signs of wear in as little as a year. And if you throw away any attempt at best practices, it can be toast inside 12 months. But if you tread lightly and are a good do-bee, you can get several good years out of one of those lumps.

That being said... I had a qualified shop replace the battery in my 6P at about 18 months or so (I had lost about 8% peak capacity)... not a big deal. Dropped it off, went and grabbed some lunch.

 

[flyingkytez]

The battery doesn't wear out in a year, do a factory reset every six months and your battery life will be always good. With new battery technology batteries don't show signs of fatigue until at least 2 years, even then I've seen them go longer.

I used my IR blaster once, and I'll take water resistance over a swappable battery any day. If you know how to setup an android device you should get 20-24 hours easy with the 835-836.

OLED and a DAC and this thing will sell.

Depends how much you use the phone too. Some people use the phone 2x more than a regular person. Also, your charging habits matter too, wireless charging may cause the longevity to go way down. My poor Galaxy S6 Active battery died too young. Battery life dropped 50%, ask any owner with an S6 and tell me they don't have battery problems now.

 

[flyingkytez]

There's no 'advances in battery technology' here... the tech behind these batteries has changed little since lithium based batteries hit the market. A factory reset does nothing to improve or degrade battery life, what DOES impact is widely known (in no particular order of impact):

a) avoid extreme temps (hot or cold)
b) Avoid deep cycle discharges
c) Avoid storing a fully charged or depleted battery for extended times
d) Do not leave a fully charged phone on the charger for extended periods

The battery will degrade over time, no matter what you do... how quickly it loses capacity is up to the user. A phone can easily start to show signs of wear in as little as a year. And if you throw away any attempt at best practices, it can be toast inside 12 months. But if you tread lightly and are a good do-bee, you can get several good years out of one of those lumps.

That being said... I had a qualified shop replace the battery in my 6P at about 18 months or so (I had lost about 8% peak capacity)... not a big deal. Dropped it off, went and grabbed some lunch.

Yeah, going to a professional to replace the battery is what I see myself doing in the future. Either that or constantly buying and selling phones. Batteries are meant to be thrown away and recycled, phones today are good enough to last many years like a computer can.

 

[flyingkytez]

Betrayal....Of course not.
You can't survive in the marketplace unless you appeal to the marketplace. There is not enough of a high end, high tech niche market demand to warrant making a niche device.

Do I agree with every change I see coming...absolutely not.

At least make 2 different ones to appeal to both. V30 for battery swapping and DAC lovers, G6 for water-resistant and wireless charging lovers. Now we have two phones nearly identical.

 

[flyingkytez]

No offense but the V series isn't just appealing to "geeks" and the V series could have been better received but has been hamstrung by lack of advertising

I know that geeks do love it, but there are many people who do own it and love it that aren't "geeky" in the slightest. Not everyone is a form over function type of person these days, but I also know that we are a ever declining minority too.

There were so many things that LG could have done to be the best phablet instead of caving in and being like the rest of the pack. They still can at some point and I hope they do. I fully understand why they are doing this but don't agree with it.

Right now LG has the best OLED technology in large screens but you hardly see any advertising for them..if they can transition into the small screens and do the same will be the key, however... even if v30 is the best OLED screen unless they start spending money on advertising they aren't going to be getting people to be interested in it. They have to excell on all of the the things that makes people want it.. Not just be another clone.

The geeks have got to love it for the features, and it has to appeal for it's looks and it's gui.

Another glass backed phone with curved screens and tons of bloat not available everywhere will be a dismal failure.

My opinion is just this.. They have to keep those who are loyal fans by satisfying them as much as they can and win over everyone else.. Which means they have to innovate not just copy and that takes commitment and big money these days... If they loose us who are "geeky" then they have already lost the battle.

Mac

100% true. I believe what makes a good company is what it gives back to users and what sets them apart from others. Samsung: innovative, high end tech. Apple: immaculate design, industry standard. LG: Not sure yet... Alternative to Samsung I guess? But if there's not much difference then what's the point?

 

[MDMcAtee]

100% true. I believe what makes a good company is what it gives back to users and what sets them apart from others. Samsung: innovative, high end tech. Apple: immaculate design, industry standard. LG: Not sure yet... Alternative to Samsung I guess? But if there's not much difference then what's the point?

Oh.. LG will be different.. This time next year.

I heard that they are going to be pushing the g-flex and the p-oled screens again... Maybe they had a break through and got the resolutions and brightness up to flagship levels this time.. If folks are wanting super thin phones,,, p-oled is 1/2 as thick as another OLED screen out.. and they could really make a perfectly flat 16x9 screen no bezels and a huge battery in the g series... They probably won't come to think about it... Oh well.. Such is life...

https://www.google.com/amp/www.andr...w.androidauthority.com/poled-comeback-789580/

Mac

 

[Adam Frix]

I think they're just moving with the times tbh. Water resistance and wireless charging will be far more appealing to most people than lugging an extra battery around in their pockets.

So instead, they'll be happy buying a portable battery pack and lugging that around. Got it. Yeah, that sounds better.

Not.

 

[flyingkytez]

So instead, they'll be happy buying a portable battery pack and lugging that around. Got it. Yeah, that sounds better.

Not.

Be prepared. Friends are going to ask you "can I borrow your charger?"

I'll be walking around with portable battery pack in my butt pocket and attached a usb cable to my phone front pocket. I've done that before. Ridiculous.

 

[RomeSC]

There's no betrayal involved. Its called survival in the marketplace. Most people who currently buy an LG could care less about some of the features you are concerned about. I didn't buy my G5 because it had a removable battery, IR blaster or LCD screen. In fact I can't remember why I bought it. I bought the V20 because of the larger screen and QUAD DAC. I would be unhappy if the V30 loses the DAC but I'm not going to lose sleep over it.

Samsung, as the android leader due to marketing primarily, has two "flagships": the S series for mainstream mass appeal and the Note series for the power/business user. Looking at the numbers the Note 4 sold much better than the Note 5. I think it's clear why, just look at the key features the Note 4 lost vs the features the note 5 added. The loss of removable batteries and SD cards is a big deal to "nerds", power users and business class users. It just is.

I understand the mass appeal of a sealed battery phone. People don't commit to their phones for more than 2 years and the battery is fine for that long. heck, most people LEASE their phone. They buy one because it catches their eye in the store, or they see a good ad, or their friend bought one. The vast majority of people aren't going online and reading phone reviews and doing pro-con lists for competing devices. The typical consumer wants something pretty that works. Most people don't carry around a spare battery if they have a RB phone, but most people with a sealed battery phone don't carry a power bank either. Those are the rare birds. People buy whatever commercials and friends tell them is best.

The "nerd" and power user types typically don't care as much about advertising. They do their own homework, select specific features they want and don't click order or hit the store until they know what they want. That is what the Note series and V series used to be. Powerhouse phones with options, the top end, the special features, the unique-but-usable goodies that set these phones apart from the cookie-cutter mass market appeal devices like the Galaxy S and the iPhone. Transforming the "special" line of phones into larger versions of the flagship phone is useless when "plus" versions of these things already exist.

My prediction is that the V30 drops the removable battery and sells significantly worse than the V20 (barring some major hike in expenditure and quality of marketing, essentially rebranding the V series as the new official flagship, the new mainstream market device to beat out their own G6 for the role). The remaining V20 stock will dry up immediately as it will be the last flagship quality phone, possibly ever, to feature a removable battery. LG's mobile department will fall ever farther behind Samsung; the loyalists holding onto LG in the android space as the company willing to buck the trends and fight for the power user (headphone jack, SD card, removable battery) will no longer see a reason to stay with LG since they are notoriously bad with advertising, update speed and UI skins.

What I wish would happen is that LG would see the potential crop of users who want the biggest and best with most options and therefore keep the V series elite. Convert all the Note users that are disenchanted with Notes since the 5 and 6 removed their features and the 7 blew up in their hands. Refine their "Stylo" tech into a S-pen like experience, incorporate it into the V30, keep the headphone jack and DAC, removable back and battery with a gasket like the Galaxy S5 to stay waterproof, and continue to improve the secondary screen implementation, and they would ABSOLUTELY OWN the "nerd" and power user space. No one could touch them. Instead they are doing the oppostie and its a bummer.

 

[Aquila]

It's too late for the 30, device is already done. Great ideas for the 40.

 

[Mike Dee]

Samsung, as the android leader due to marketing primarily, has two "flagships": the S series for mainstream mass appeal and the Note series for the power/business user. Looking at the numbers the Note 4 sold much better than the Note 5. I think it's clear why, just look at the key features the Note 4 lost vs the features the note 5 added. The loss of removable batteries and SD cards is a big deal to "nerds", power users and business class users. It just is.

I understand the mass appeal of a sealed battery phone. People don't commit to their phones for more than 2 years and the battery is fine for that long. heck, most people LEASE their phone. They buy one because it catches their eye in the store, or they see a good ad, or their friend bought one. The vast majority of people aren't going online and reading phone reviews and doing pro-con lists for competing devices. The typical consumer wants something pretty that works. Most people don't carry around a spare battery if they have a RB phone, but most people with a sealed battery phone don't carry a power bank either. Those are the rare birds. People buy whatever commercials and friends tell them is best.

The "nerd" and power user types typically don't care as much about advertising. They do their own homework, select specific features they want and don't click order or hit the store until they know what they want. That is what the Note series and V series used to be. Powerhouse phones with options, the top end, the special features, the unique-but-usable goodies that set these phones apart from the cookie-cutter mass market appeal devices like the Galaxy S and the iPhone. Transforming the "special" line of phones into larger versions of the flagship phone is useless when "plus" versions of these things already exist.

My prediction is that the V30 drops the removable battery and sells significantly worse than the V20 (barring some major hike in expenditure and quality of marketing, essentially rebranding the V series as the new official flagship, the new mainstream market device to beat out their own G6 for the role). The remaining V20 stock will dry up immediately as it will be the last flagship quality phone, possibly ever, to feature a removable battery. LG's mobile department will fall ever farther behind Samsung; the loyalists holding onto LG in the android space as the company willing to buck the trends and fight for the power user (headphone jack, SD card, removable battery) will no longer see a reason to stay with LG since they are notoriously bad with advertising, update speed and UI skins.

What I wish would happen is that LG would see the potential crop of users who want the biggest and best with most options and therefore keep the V series elite. Convert all the Note users that are disenchanted with Notes since the 5 and 6 removed their features and the 7 blew up in their hands. Refine their "Stylo" tech into a S-pen like experience, incorporate it into the V30, keep the headphone jack and DAC, removable back and battery with a gasket like the Galaxy S5 to stay waterproof, and continue to improve the secondary screen implementation, and they would ABSOLUTELY OWN the "nerd" and power user space. No one could touch them. Instead they are doing the oppostie and its a bummer.

V30 will not do worse than V20. V30 will have mass appeal.

 

[D13H4RD2L1V3]

V30 will not do worse than V20. V30 will have mass appeal.

I hope so. Judging from the G6 numbers, it really needs the appeal.

 

[D13H4RD2L1V3]

Samsung, as the android leader due to marketing primarily, has two "flagships": the S series for mainstream mass appeal and the Note series for the power/business user. Looking at the numbers the Note 4 sold much better than the Note 5. I think it's clear why, just look at the key features the Note 4 lost vs the features the note 5 added. The loss of removable batteries and SD cards is a big deal to "nerds", power users and business class users. It just is.

Not that I disagree, but there is another very big reason why the Note 5 didn't sell as well.

It wasn't sold in Europe, which is a major market.

The Note 7 actually did went off on a very strong start, probably because it righted many wrongs of the 5, though we all knew the sad fate which befell that handset.

 

[Ry]

The V30 might have a lot of hype, but I'm gonna wait, at least to see if there's a significant price drop and after reading user reviews. Only 4GB of RAM and 3200 mAh battery isn't worth the upgrade. If there's no dual pixel technology in the camera, it's an automatic no, they need to catch up with the times. When I heard about the V20 back in October, I bought it the first day it came out and I have no regrets. V30, don't think I'll do that after hearing about the specs and design.

...and? What's wrong with the rumors?

 

[flyingkytez]

...and? What's wrong with the rumors?

What's so good about it? Bezelless screen? Is that even good? The V20 is already thin. There are no significant improvements, only taking away features and making it a glass phone. Might as well go for the Note 8.

 

[flyingkytez]

Not that I disagree, but there is another very big reason why the Note 5 didn't sell as well.

It wasn't sold in Europe, which is a major market.

The Note 7 actually did went off on a very strong start, probably because it righted many wrongs of the 5, though we all knew the sad fate which befell that handset.

People with Note 4 saw the Note 5 as a eye candy phone, nothing else. Removed the SD card slot, sealed the back, made the battery smaller, took away IR blaster. The real fans were very upset. Note 7 was take it or leave it.

 

[D13H4RD2L1V3]

People with Note 4 saw the Note 5 as a eye candy phone, nothing else. Removed the SD card slot, sealed the back, made the battery smaller, took away IR blaster. The real fans were very upset. Note 7 was take it or leave it.

Isn't nearly every phone now an eye-candy showpiece?

The only phones that I know have a removable battery are the V20 and a heap of cheapskate mobiles. The V20 is the only current high-end device with a removable battery.

It's not like you can't replace the battery on a sealed phone. I had my dad's phone sent in for repairs and they offered to swap the battery. After a day, it's all well and good. Had it not needed repairs, I would say it would actually take no more than 20-30 minutes.

Yes, it's longer than just doing a quick swap like what I used to do with the LG G4, but it is indeed doable.

 

[flyingkytez]

Isn't nearly every phone now an eye-candy showpiece?

The only phones that I know have a removable battery are the V20 and a heap of cheapskate mobiles. The V20 is the only current high-end device with a removable battery.

It's not like you can't replace the battery on a sealed phone. I had my dad's phone sent in for repairs and they offered to swap the battery. After a day, it's all well and good. Had it not needed repairs, I would say it would actually take no more than 20-30 minutes.

Yes, it's longer than just doing a quick swap like what I used to do with the LG G4, but it is indeed doable.

The V20 is what I have, the closest you can get to a Note 4 like phone. I know you can get the battery swapped by a professional, but at $100-200 fee, you're better off putting that towards a new phone.

 

[D13H4RD2L1V3]

The V20 is what I have, the closest you can get to a Note 4 like phone. I know you can get the battery swapped by a professional, but at $100-200 fee, you're better off putting that towards a new phone.

It costs $85 for ours, but without the repair, it would’ve been $50.

Probably a little more had it been a flagship.